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[Valcutio]

AudioEpics wrote...

petipas1414 wrote...

A bunch of people say The Witcher 2 is one of the best games they've played / maybe their favorite.

NO ONE... and I mean NO ONE... says Dragon Age 2 is their favorite game... hell, even the people who dig it say it's mediocre.

Also, if you're saying TW2 made some of the same design decisions that DA2 did, then I'll just say that given the fan feedback, the devs behind TW2 are a hell of a lot better than the ones who did DA2. Mainly because they gave a ****.

I haven't played The Witcher 2 yet (though I did play the first one) but I can honestly say that for me, Dragon Age 2 is one of the greatest games I have EVER played and I do mean this absolutely seriously. 
The most important reason for this is the storytelling. I really think Dragon Age 2 has the best writing I've ever seen in a game and it's head and shoulders above the competition in that department. 

Wow. Which fetch quest really blew your mind? Or was it the 3-part acts that any other game would have called sidequests that they called the main storyline?

I have a hard time telling if you're being serious right now.

[simonc4175]

Avalla'ch wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

TW's anmations are not realistic. Waving your sword high over your head is something a retard does, not a professional swordsman. This was discussed a few pages back.

Hey genius, the animation IS realistic, and it's called Jodan-no-kamae, a basic kenjutsu stance.
Similiar stances are also found in Italian and German schools of longsword, which are called Bocca di falcone or Dach.

Get your damn facts straight next time.

Maybe but Geralt isn't Japanese,  has never been instructed by a Kenjutsu master and has never visited Japan to learn the style.

So how exactly would he learn to fight in Kenjutsu if he had been tutored ?

Maybe you need to check your facts again :happy:

[Dreadstruck]

simonc4175 wrote...
Maybe but Geralt isn't Japanese,  has never been instructed by a Kenjutsu master and has never visited Japan to learn the style.

So how exactly would he learn to fight in Kenjutsu if he had been tutored ?

Maybe you need to check your facts again :happy:

Who says it *has* to be called Kenjutsu in their realm? It can be a mix-and-match of the styles since it's a FANTASY world and it's used by FICTIONAL characters.
All I did was proving that the stance IS indeed legit and usable.

So your point is?

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 23 mai 2011 - 10:49 .

[Aramintai]

simonc4175 wrote...

Maybe but Geralt isn't Japanese,  has never been instructed by a Kenjutsu master and has never visited Japan to learn the style.

So how exactly would he learn to fight in Kenjutsu if he had been tutored ?

Maybe you need to check your facts again :happy:

Omg, man, it's a fantasy game with it's own fantasy world. In TW world there's no Japan or Kenjutsu or whatever. Witchers' style can be based on whatever style devs please, be it Japanese, wapanese, European or any other country's. 

[Chromie]

simonc4175 wrote...

Avalla'ch wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

TW's anmations are not realistic. Waving your sword high over your head is something a retard does, not a professional swordsman. This was discussed a few pages back.

Hey genius, the animation IS realistic, and it's called Jodan-no-kamae, a basic kenjutsu stance.
Similiar stances are also found in Italian and German schools of longsword, which are called Bocca di falcone or Dach.

Get your damn facts straight next time.

Maybe but Geralt isn't Japanese,  has never been instructed by a Kenjutsu master and has never visited Japan to learn the style.

So how exactly would he learn to fight in Kenjutsu if he had been tutored ?

Maybe you need to check your facts again :happy:

I'm not German, Russian or French yet I speak those languages among Spanish, English and Turkish.

Are you saying someone can't learn?  Fantasy and Science Fiction have always draw from real world things. Direwolf in Game of Thrones were actually real and now extinct. Simple as that.

Modifié par Ringo12, 23 mai 2011 - 11:00 .

[simonc4175]

Avalla'ch wrote...

simonc4175 wrote...
Maybe but Geralt isn't Japanese,  has never been instructed by a Kenjutsu master and has never visited Japan to learn the style.

So how exactly would he learn to fight in Kenjutsu if he had been tutored ?

Maybe you need to check your facts again :happy:

Who says it *has* to be called Kenjutsu in their realm? It can be a mix-and-match of the styles since it's a FANTASY world and it's used by FICTIONAL characters.
All I did was proving that the stance IS indeed legit and usable.

So your point is?

"Hey genius, the animation IS realistic, and it's called Jodan-no-kamae, a basic kenjutsu stance."

You stated yourself it's a kenjetsu stance.

My point is that according you Geralt is using a sworld style which he couldn't have learned unless he visited Japan or was instructed by Master(which is have people usually learn Martial arts).

So unless he all the above happened then the sword he is using shouldn't be part of that universe he inhabits.

[Khayness]

simonc4175 wrote...

So unless he all the above happened then the sword he is using shouldn't be part of that universe he inhabits.

Then that above the head spin is part of his universe, so the fighting moves are realistic.

End of Line

[Dreadstruck]

simonc4175 wrote...
"Hey genius, the animation IS realistic, and it's called Jodan-no-kamae, a basic kenjutsu stance."

You stated yourself it's a kenjetsu stance.

My point is that according you Geralt is using a sworld style which he couldn't have learned unless he visited Japan or was instructed by Master(which is have people usually learn Martial arts).

So unless he all the above happened then the sword he is using shouldn't be part of that universe he inhabits.

Again, you seem to have missed my point entirely. I repeat: All I did was proving that the stance is legit according to real life experiences.

You also seem to question its authenticity in a FANTASY world. Why does it have to be exclusive only to Japanese-kind of people in a completely fictional universe with magic, monsters and people with pointy ears?

What's so bloody hard to understand here?

Then that above the head spin is part of his universe, so the fighting moves are realistic.

End of Line

We have a winrar!

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 23 mai 2011 - 11:09 .

[Chromie]

Khayness wrote...

simonc4175 wrote...

So unless he all the above happened then the sword he is using shouldn't be part of that universe he inhabits.

Then that above the head spin is part of his universe, so the fighting moves are realistic.

End of Line

Ha you win.

[fchopin]

To the op.

Choices... choices...choices, and to be more precise role playing choices, without them a game is not an RPG.

Modifié par fchopin, 23 mai 2011 - 11:13 .

[Chromie]

erynnar wrote...

THIS IS FROM MRCRUSTY, .

Crusty is a big nerd

[simonc4175]

Avalla'ch wrote...


Again, you seem to have missed my point entirely. I repeat: All I did was proving that the stance is legit according to real life experiences.

You also seem to question its authenticity in a FANTASY world. Why does it have to be exclusive only to Japanese-kind of people in a completely fictional universe with magic, monsters and people with pointy ears?

What's so bloody hard to understand here?

The original point was that holding a sword in the way Geralt does in unrealistic while you stated it was Kenjetsu style (not me).

The person who made the original point is actually correct because you couldn't use  a claymore in that way due to the weight of the sword as Japanese swords were designed for mobility and speed.  It also probably wouldn't be possible with his silver sword due it's weight so you would still be wrong.

Unless both Geralt and Hawke possess super human strength neither of that could swing a claymore like baseball bat as they would end up with serious injuries.

[ruttunenn]

simonc4175 wrote...

Unless both Geralt and Hawke possess super human strength neither of that could swing a claymore like baseball bat as they would end up with serious injuries.

Well Geralt is a Witcher , so it is very likely they do have powers beyond normal person. After all they are almost always refered as mutants not humans.

[Dreadstruck]

simonc4175 wrote...
The original point was that holding a sword in the way Geralt does in unrealistic while you stated it was Kenjetsu style (not me).

The person who made the original point is actually correct because you couldn't use  a claymore in that way due to the weight of the sword as Japanese swords were designed for mobility and speed.  It also probably wouldn't be possible with his silver sword due it's weight so you would still be wrong.

Unless both Geralt and Hawke possess super human strength neither of that could swing a claymore like baseball bat as they would end up with serious injuries.

The person here was doubting the authenticity of the weapon holding animation, which I rebutted. There wasn't a single word about the attacking moves, yet you still insist on bringing real-life boundaries into the fantasy game argument.

Geralt is a Witcher, a genetically enhanced mutant so he is pretty much capable of it.
And according to the books the Witcher swords are made from completely different materials which makes them lighter and more special than the common weapons.

See, you keep questioning the plausibility, there you have it. It's *still* legit according to the game universe and the lore. The creator (Andrzej Sapkowski) was even arsed enough to provide an explanation.

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 23 mai 2011 - 12:18 .

[PSUHammer]

simonc4175 wrote...

Avalla'ch wrote...


Again, you seem to have missed my point entirely. I repeat: All I did was proving that the stance is legit according to real life experiences.

You also seem to question its authenticity in a FANTASY world. Why does it have to be exclusive only to Japanese-kind of people in a completely fictional universe with magic, monsters and people with pointy ears?

What's so bloody hard to understand here?

The original point was that holding a sword in the way Geralt does in unrealistic while you stated it was Kenjetsu style (not me).

The person who made the original point is actually correct because you couldn't use  a claymore in that way due to the weight of the sword as Japanese swords were designed for mobility and speed.  It also probably wouldn't be possible with his silver sword due it's weight so you would still be wrong.

Unless both Geralt and Hawke possess super human strength neither of that could swing a claymore like baseball bat as they would end up with serious injuries.

Dude...you may want to drop it, you are losing the argument rather handidly, at this point. 

You are trying to bring reality into a fantasy world where the protaganist is a mutant with enhanced strength and speed.

Modifié par Hammer6767, 23 mai 2011 - 12:20 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

TW's anmations are not realistic. Waving your sword high over your head is something a retard does, not a professional swordsman. This was discussed a few pages back.

Compared to what teleporting through the air like a ninja in order to close in on enemies in DA2? Sorry but I have seen people try to defend those entirely super duper unrealistic moves on here saying "they move faster than the eye can see and is possible..." I would take the swinging a sword over ones head over teleportation or moving as fast as superman any day.

[DragonRageGT]

Hammer6767 wrote...

simonc4175 wrote...

Avalla'ch wrote...


Again, you seem to have missed my point entirely. I repeat: All I did was proving that the stance is legit according to real life experiences.

You also seem to question its authenticity in a FANTASY world. Why does it have to be exclusive only to Japanese-kind of people in a completely fictional universe with magic, monsters and people with pointy ears?

What's so bloody hard to understand here?

The original point was that holding a sword in the way Geralt does in unrealistic while you stated it was Kenjetsu style (not me).

The person who made the original point is actually correct because you couldn't use  a claymore in that way due to the weight of the sword as Japanese swords were designed for mobility and speed.  It also probably wouldn't be possible with his silver sword due it's weight so you would still be wrong.

Unless both Geralt and Hawke possess super human strength neither of that could swing a claymore like baseball bat as they would end up with serious injuries.

Dude...you may want to drop it, you are losing the argument rather handidly, at this point. 

You are trying to bring reality into a fantasy world where the protaganist is a mutant with enhanced strength and speed.

This guy is hopeless!

Maybe Geralt was the one who taught the style to some far east people that many universes re-births later became known as Japanese!  Why don't you go tell P.J. that Legolas surfing on a Mumakil is "unrealistic". Perhaps he can re-film that scene of LotR! Perhaps he sticks an arrow up your throat!

Edit: Maybe this is "realistic"?

Modifié par RageGT, 23 mai 2011 - 12:31 .

[Dragoonlordz]

simonc4175 wrote...

"Hey genius, the animation IS realistic, and it's called Jodan-no-kamae, a basic kenjutsu stance."

You stated yourself it's a kenjetsu stance.

My point is that according you Geralt is using a sworld style which he couldn't have learned unless he visited Japan or was instructed by Master(which is have people usually learn Martial arts).

So unless he all the above happened then the sword he is using shouldn't be part of that universe he inhabits.

He was instructed and taught how to fight using a sword, who's to say his teacher never learned that style from the 'fantasy game' from which or whatever race or creed developed a simular style in that world and both Geralt and his teachers could and have travelled the world in which they live. I'm sorry but your arguing from a standpoint that has no merit. Someone somewhere came up with the style in this world, who is to say geralt never developed that style in 'his world'. Like others have said and if you played TW1 you would know, he has increased strength and speed due to the training and initiation that made him a Witcher.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 mai 2011 - 12:39 .

[PSUHammer]

RageGT wrote...
This guy is hopeless!

Maybe Geralt was the one who taught the style to some far east people that many universes re-births later became known as Japanese!  Why don't you go tell P.J. that Legolas surfing on a Mumakil is "unrealistic". Perhaps he can re-film that scene of LotR! Perhaps he sticks an arrow up your throat!

Edit: Maybe this is "realistic"?

Well, I would like to think that people aren't hopeless based on a few posts in a forum.  But, the argument he is laying down and the point he is trying to make are indeed hopeless in this case.

[Khayness]

Believeble > Realistic

Given Geralt is a "superhuman mutant designed for swordfighting", his highly acrobatic moves are believeble, Hawke's wuxia style over the top exploding blows not so much.

[Kroepoek]

I'll sum it up with a picture. Not going to repeat what has been said so many times.



TW2 is more mature in every way, and doesn't feel like it's made for 12 year old boys and girls.

Modifié par Fix1o0, 23 mai 2011 - 12:51 .

[simonc4175]

Avalla'ch wrote...
The person here was doubting the authenticity of the weapon holding animation, which I rebutted. There wasn't a single word about the attacking moves, yet you still insist on bringing real-life boundaries into the fantasy game argument.

It's possible with wooden swords like in the picture you posted but not with claymores which are two-handed weapons.

Since both people in the picture were in a stance it's common sense to assume it would be followed up with attacking moves.

It was you afterall who brought reality into the debate by comparing people with wooden swords to that of a Witcher using  two handed swords made from steel.

Geralt is a Witcher, a genetically enhanced mutant so he is pretty much capable of it.
And according to the books the Witcher swords are made from completely different materials which makes them lighter and more special than the common weapons.

See, you keep questioning the plausibility, there you have it. It's *still* legit according to the game universe and the lore. The creator (Andrzej Sapkowski) was even arsed enough to provide an explanation.

There is no direct reference to Witchers having augmented strength as most of the traing is based of dexterity, use of magic and herbal remedies.

In the first act of the game Geralt is using generic steel swords which aren't made from any special materials.

You might also want to note that Japansese katanas of the time were tailor made to the person needing them and often crafted by the persons them selves.

It's part of the game to make combat fun and dynamic,  these games aren't meant to realistic because if they were they would be rather dull.

[Firky]

@the pictures That's one way of looking at it.

I like both games, and I agree that The Witcher's sex scenes are generally well done (they don't take themselves too seriously.) But, I liked Merrill's character better than Triss - although the way Triss came through the story was pretty cool. (But Merrill is one hell of a character.)

This is an unfair comparison, because sex scenes are what TW does. Characters are what DA does.

Personally, as a 32 yr old (mature) gamer, I'd take characters over sex. (Having said that, I would add that the sex with Triss did add to her story. Not so much the other sex.)

Modifié par Firky, 23 mai 2011 - 01:07 .

[Ottemis]

Heh yeah, in DA2 I didn't much need the sex, there was ample buildup between the characters.
Asmuch as I can appreciate a good-looking sex-scene, not needing one makes it a more mature game in my book.

Still, plainly looking at the fact the Witcher is infertile, I reckon the generally casual approach makes sense.

Modifié par Ottemis, 23 mai 2011 - 01:17 .