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TheBigMatt90

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Now I know that this isn't REALLY the place to be asking this, but there are a lot of knowledgeable and generous members on this forum so i'm going to ask anyway :P

This is my laptop: Toshiba Satellite L650-10g

Processor type: Intel® Core i5-430M, clock speed: 2.26 / 2.53(turbo)GHz.Front Side Bus: 1066 MHz, 2nd level cache: 3 MB L2

Operating system Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium

System memory standard: 2048 MB + 2048MB, Hard disk capacity: 500 GB

DVD Super Multi drive (Double Layer) 

Display size: 39.6cm / 15.6 "" type: Toshiba TruBrite® WXGA+ TFT High Brightness display

internal resolution: 1,366 x 768

Graphics adaptor manufacturer: ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 5145 (512MB) Graphics, memory type: Dedicated 

Now I don't know loads about graphics (ie whats good), but im going to take a punt and say that my graphics card is pretty bad, Dragon Age sometimes crashes, and I know that the processer is good enough so yeah, graphics card. I like to run the game on the higher qualities, gives it a more immersive feel. 

Now what i was wondering is
a) am i right?
B) does anyone know how possible it is to change the type of graphics card in my laptop (or point me to where i can find out) 
c) has anyone done this, and what is the cost.

If anyone could answer any of these it would be great.

Edit: Just read a bit further down that "laptops have to be completely replaced" but I know that in *some* cases this is not true. However if this is the case with my laptop just hit the nail on the head and say "it has to be replaced, now stop whining".

Modifié par TheBigMatt90, 22 mai 2011 - 10:07 .


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joey_m91

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1) Yes it probably IS your graphics card, switch to a medium or low setting, there really isnt THAT much difference.
2) For a VAST majority of laptops the GPU is integrated, meaning yes you would need a new laptop or nearly completely gut and replace alot of extra parts, which for a laptop in general is risky at best
3) Looked into doing it until I saw the list of parts I would need to replace, its simply wasnt worth it for me

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Gorath Alpha

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Some of the readers here are aware that I often prepare answers that are useful as references.  This next is the introductory portion of such an article:

        The overall situation only gets worse, it seems

Again today, we have seen another complaint from someone without any video card at all in his laptop unhappy about poor performance.  Meanwhile, the influence of the "Netbook" class of computing devices plus the various Tablets, is totally diluting the quality of the laptop / notebook offerings in the marketplace.  The upper range of Netbooks was already close to an overlap in performance with the low-price mobile PCs, and many manufacturers have chosen to keep on using the older, lower-priced chipsets in their laptops to keep their laptops' costs down. 

Netbooks' video devices are all strictly onboard chips, and at present, all are using the outdated IGPs that Intel first offered about five years ago.  Too many current laptops with Intel chipsets are still using the same old-model IGPs that those netbooks do.  Within the last three years, Intel had finally started to include most of the features and functions that ATI (AMD) and nVIDIA had been including in IGPs for the past 8-10 years.  Not that any of the IGPs from any of the three were truly game-capable, just that it was possible to at least "preview" what a game might look like on such a chip.

The influence of $250 Netbooks extends also to causing a reduction in the numbers of laptops that would have included an actual, discrete, video card instead of an onboard video chip, because that adds quite a bit to the cost of a laptop, and the average cost of those offered has been lowered generally.  There are fewer laptops available for purchase that have real video cards in them. 

Cost-cutting has also affected the cooling capacity of those laptops that really do have video cards, but now many more of them get hot too quickly because the heat sinks are too small, and the cooling fans are too ineffectual.  Admittedly, there had already been a tendency on the part of laptop designers to shortchange the heat sink hardware, because it adds to the weight of the PC, and laptop designers are devoted to the gods of light weight and long battery life, both being elements heavily impacted by high performance add-on video cards. 

If all laptop makers adhered to the same performance standards for add-on video, game developers would be more inclined to consider offering tech support to the laptop PCs, but each designer seems to have his (or her) own standards for what level of performance degradation he / she will will apply in the name of battery life or total weight.  Compared to the ATI and nVIDIA reference designs, too few even follow the (typically 10 % reduction in performance compared to the matching desktop card version) recommended specifications.  The end result is variations of 10% more performance loss, to as much as a total of 30% dilution.
    
So, I've been discussing the average laptop seen on retailers' shelves, what is possible for upgrades?  TTBOMK, only Sager still produces one laptop line in the original style of assembly that was somewhat similar to desktop PC assembly.  They have it as a "desktop replacement" and it is thick, heavy, very expensive, and has very poor battery life, so most buyers will avoid it.  But the graphics card can be removed and upgraded. 

In order to sell laptops at the prices that they are sold for now, the producers assemble them entirely differently.  When the chassis and motherboard are welded togther, there is no longer any "inside" space to access where a separate graphics card would have gone.  Trying to get the two apart will destroy one or the other, and all too often both of them.  

(Because I do not include any laptop video devices in the lists of ranked cards, and EA doesn't even pretend to support any of them, I tend to try and ignore this type PC as much as possible.)

Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 23 mai 2011 - 12:51 .


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vykor

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a. I played DAO on a laptop with the Mobility Radeon HD 4570 for a couple of months. The 5145 is not a bad card -- certainly not near top of the line, but not the worst choice if you bought it in 2010.  Given that DAO is a 2009 game, it should work out ok.  It's still a dedicated card (meaning that it has its own video memory, vs crappy Intel integrated cards that have to share main system memory), but it can't compete against desktop cards of the same numbered (e.g. 5xxx) series.  If you were using a higher grade laptop card like the 5850, it can approach desktop level performance.

The crashes are likely not related to the graphics card -- DAO is not very stable to begin with (casting Mana Clash, for example, crashes the game about 1/3rd of the time, on just about any machine, including my fancy new desktop).

b & c. Those suckers most likely soldered onto the logic board; I'd bet you'd be better off buying a desktop box for the same amount of money and effort. Honestly, laptops aren't supposed to be for top-quality gaming experiences. They just don't have enough power and can't dissipate heat fast enough.

Modifié par vykor, 23 mai 2011 - 02:30 .