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[Miri1984]

He says they're "even" if he agrees to take Carver or Bethany into the wardens. I'd looove to know what the debt was. Especially given Anders very possibly ate a few of his comrades...

ENQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW!!! 

[SurelyForth]

Miri1984 wrote...

He says they're "even" if he agrees to take Carver or Bethany into the wardens. I'd looove to know what the debt was. Especially given Anders very possibly ate a few of his comrades...

ENQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW!!! 

Maybe Stroud was the Warden-Commander who made Anders give up Pounce? 

Seriously, though, is it possible he was the WC who allowed the templar to Join and then kept assigning him to Anders? Since Wardens aren't under Chantry oversight, maybe he realizes that he stepped over a line by doing that to Anders and he feels genuinely bad for what he did.

This is, of course, assuming that nobody survived to tell anyone what happened to the Wardens who died in that short story. If there were no witnesses, and none of the Wardens know that Justice/Anders are merged, then I can't imagine they would suspect Anders of the massacre. They'd just assume that he survived and escaped because he was no longer free even within the order. 

[mellifera]

Maybe a moustache ride went horribly awry?

But seriously, I'm wondering too.

[Giggles_Manically]

Perhaps giving him a new recruit makes them even for Anders running off from the wardens?

[SurelyForth]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Perhaps giving him a new recruit makes them even for Anders running off from the wardens?

The way he says it gives the distinct impression that Stroud owed Anders something, not the other way around.

It's been awhile since I've played that part, so it's possible he says it as a "You've given us something to make up for what you took, so you're no longer beholden to the order." That would fit the tone, too, I think.

[LT123]

I can't imagine that the Wardens know about Anders' role in the massacre, since both Stroud and Nathaniel are both like "Oh, hi, Anders. Haven't seen you in a while." Warden Alistair doesn't seem to know about it either.

[Miri1984]

Yeah, I was kind of hoping with the Nathaniel mission that we got a bit of "Hi Anders... you've still got a bit of Oghren caught in your teeth there..."

[Gamer Ftw]

I think he owed him for drunken warden sexy times.

[CorruptedRed]

I pondered that myself when I heard him say that but I never put much thought into it. Perhaps it'll be something that will be mentioned in future installments?

[berelinde]

The whole exchange between Stroud and Anders gave off a kind of secrecy vibe, as if Anders knew something about Stroud that Stroud did not want anyone else to find out.

Or maybe I'm reading too much into it.

But yeah, definitely curious. About that and about what the Wardens were doing in the Deep Roads and in Kirkwall. Sure, they were killing darkspawn, but they could do that at home.

Modifié par berelinde, 24 mai 2011 - 04:41 .

[kromify]

it sounded to me like a personal favour. but secrecy could explain that... i think the "for assigning the templar" is the the best reason

[ghostbooty]

Please, somebody tell me where to find out about Anders and this "massacre" you speak of.

As for what Stroud owed Anders I have no idea. I've only played the game that way once. It must've been very late when I played that part of the game because I vaguely remember how it went down. The whole Bethany/Carver to Warden exchange seemed kind of forced and sped up. It almost seemed like it was added to the game as an afterthought. There was clearly a lot more that needed to be explained there.


-GB-

[berelinde]

ghostbooty wrote...

Please, somebody tell me where to find out about Anders and this "massacre" you speak of.

Anders short story.

[bleetman]

Is that short story actually something that happened? You'd think it'd make the wardens you encounter somewhat less amicable towards him.

'Hey Anders! I've not seen you since you tore off all those faces and fled into the woodland! How's it going?'

Modifié par bleetman, 25 mai 2011 - 12:59 .

[ghostbooty]

So, Anders brutally murdered a bunch of Grey Wardens, and Templars, in some forest after they discovered he had merged with Justice. I assume the presence of the Templars put him over the edge. Anders never seems to encounter the nice, mage friendly Templars. Go figure...

Did the Wardens specifically work with the Templars to contain/monitor Anders? Are the Grey Wardens complicit in any way with the Templars entering the order? If so, I could see why Anders wants nothing to do with them. I don't understand why other Grey Wardens are so passive towards him unless nobody but Anders knows what really happened in that forest.


-GB-

[ipgd]

bleetman wrote...

Is that short story actually something that happened? You'd think it'd make the wardens you encounter somewhat less amicable towards him.

'Hey Anders! I've not seen you since you tore off all those faces and fled into the woodland! How's it going?'

I imagining slaughtering them all would put a damper on word getting out.

[Dante Angelo]

Maybe Stroud was having a hard time with the ladies so Anders told him to grow a mustache.So he did and it turned out to be the greatest thing thats ever happened to Stroud

Modifié par Dante Angelo, 25 mai 2011 - 01:34 .

[sonoko]

From Anders' dialogs with Stroud and Nathaniel I got the impression that Anders is still a respected (former?) colleague and a friend rather than some despised deserter. It doesn't accord well with the short story. So I wonder, is it lazy writing or there is more to it? Cassandra suspects that the Grey Wardens are somehow involved in Kirkwall situation. May be she is right and Anders never actually left the Wardens? It would also explain why Cullen doesn't arrest Anders despite knowing he is a mage: as a Grey Warden Anders is beyond Chantry jurisdiction.

[Heidenreich]

sonoko wrote...

From Anders' dialogs with Stroud and Nathaniel I got the impression that Anders is still a respected (former?) colleague and a friend rather than some despised deserter. It doesn't accord well with the short story. So I wonder, is it lazy writing or there is more to it? Cassandra suspects that the Grey Wardens are somehow involved in Kirkwall situation. May be she is right and Anders never actually left the Wardens? It would also explain why Cullen doesn't arrest Anders despite knowing he is a mage: as a Grey Warden Anders is beyond Chantry jurisdiction.

That's probably a very big reason WHY they dont initially just arrest Anders. He's technically still a Warden. Mind you he 'quit', but he'll always be a Warden, and NO ONE wants to cross the Wardens. In fact I wouldn't put it past the kirkwall population at large to assume that Hawke is ALSO a warden in the earlist stages. He(she) hangs around a Warden, has fantastical tales of fighting off darkspawn to get there, has gone into the deep roads..  even has a little (sibling) who could possibly also be a warden (depending on how you play it).

Later on, Anders is protected soully because of Hawke's status as Champion. It's made perfectly clear by the end of Act2 and the start of Act3 that Meredith knows exactly who Hawke is, even if only just recently becomming aware of it (should Hawke be a mage, that is). In fact, if Mage!Hawke had survived the encounter with the Arishok, but Meredith had been the one to save the day, Hawke would have found themselves and all their merry mage-loving crew locked up in Circle-cells. Or Worse >.>



As for Stroud, I get the impression that he was OUR Warden-Commander's replacement when he or she left for greater things and greener pastures (be it king/queendom, chasing morrigan, off to kill antivans, etc etc). Thus, he is both the person who made Anders give up his cat, and is ALSO  the one who paired him with a Templar-Warden. And not a pro-mage Alistair Ex-Templar warden, either. A Real Templar who is probably a fresh Warden. Thus, he "Owes" Anders, because it was DIRECTLY his fault that Anders had to flee ONE MORE TIME.


Stroud is all "... ew, Anders. I was hoping you were dead. Shame, really. Anyway, I thought you quit being a Warden".

and Anders is all "... Stroud, you ****er. I hate you, you dick. You owe me. Help this kid."

[TobiTobsen]

He owes Anders because the mage gave him those lovely fashion tips that made Stroud the biggest hit in the Denerim disco scene

[ghostbooty]

Heidenreich wrote...

Stroud is all "... ew, Anders. I was hoping you were dead. Shame, really. Anyway, I thought you quit being a Warden".

and Anders is all "... Stroud, you ****er. I hate you, you dick. You owe me. Help this kid."

And that, I think, is exactly how I remember that whole exchange going down.

Like I said, it was late when I played that part...


-GB-

[Mwah]

Dante Angelo wrote...

Maybe Stroud was having a hard time with the ladies so Anders told him to grow a mustache.So he did and it turned out to be the greatest thing thats ever happened to Stroud

This must be it.

I just want to pet his 'stache and feed it milk.

[bleetman]

ipgd wrote...

bleetman wrote...

Is that short story actually something that happened? You'd think it'd make the wardens you encounter somewhat less amicable towards him.

'Hey Anders! I've not seen you since you tore off all those faces and fled into the woodland! How's it going?'

I imagining slaughtering them all would put a damper on word getting out.

This is true. Still, you'd think they'd notice the piles of bodies and conscipuous absence of Anders from wherever it was they were holding him after the glowing eyes thing started and figure out the rest.

Modifié par bleetman, 26 mai 2011 - 04:55 .