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[neppakyo]

Diceyy wrote...

DA2 wins my personal greatest disappointment of the year, if that helps

Mine too. It'll win a tonne of razzies. If those existed for video games.

[jds1bio]

I think DA2 took a bunch of risks for EA and BioWare, and took a few bullets to make future games like ME3 and TOR better and more to your liking. I think EA/BioWare would gladly give up 2011 awards if it means that they clean up in 2012.

[neppakyo]

Dunno about TOR. From what I've seen its looking average, and trying to be a WoW clone in the star wars universe. Any success from TOR likely won't last very long when blizzards new mmo comes out. It'll probably crush TOR and all others. Interesting rumours about it tho.
http://www.blizzardn...o.com/Game_Info

[marshalleck]

TOR is going to be a disaster. Should be an amusing spectacle watching it collapse.

[neppakyo]

Oh, and not to mention the NO MONTHLY SUBSCRIPTION Guild Wars 2. That'll probably outsell TOR too.

[Dragoonlordz]

I put as much faith in DA2 winning the RPG game of this year as I did with Harold Camping's 21st of May prediction.

I was initially interested in TOR, into the idea of giving it a try. Then I remembered... I wasted enough of my life in MMO's and don't want to waste any more in them. Offline story mode games are the way forward, a good story, some replay value to make it value for money and an average time spent between work and other RL things of between 40-100 hours playtime per game over a period of a month at a time. With the occassional quick match in online mode if that floats your boat but not an entire day or night imho unless it's a LAN party.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 24 mai 2011 - 02:45 .

[DASockDA]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Whether you agree they are RPG's by your standards is as irrelevant as your initial comment where saying the (RPG) genre is dead. Thats PC, PS3, 360, PSP, DS, Wii and all 2011.

 :happy::happy::happy:  The RPG genre is pretty much dead.  Your list only proves my point.  You've got Pokemon on there as an RPG.  It's a card/collection game.  You've got Darkspore on there as an RPG.  HMM is an RTS/RPG at best.  Your list proves my point.

The days of DAO/NWN/BG games are over.  The Excel/Novel setup, where it still exists at all, is being drowned in a sea of options.  The post I replied to suggested as much, and I agree.  RPGs have to change.  DA2 is a good move forward.  Is it perfect, heck no.  My favorite flaws to harp on are the recycled areas and the lack of a central companion management screen.

The fact is, RPGs aren't like DAO/BG/NWN anymore.  The genre is just about dead and needs to change.  Out of everything released under the RPG label this year, DA2 is right up at the top if not the top.

You're aware that DAO came out ~2 years ago, right? To say that RPGs like that aren't made anymore is false. Further, to say that RPGs like that aren't -successful- anymore is also false. RPGs are growing and changing, yes, but the tried and true method DOES still work.

RPG Gamers are a niche group. Always will be. We're also often underestimated, as EA/BioWare recently learned to their chargrin. The company looked at us, and assumed that we alone would not generate enough sales. They decided to reach out, bring in new customers. I can't blame them for that, honestly. It isn't something that needs to be defended or appologized for. It IS a business, and making money IS the goal. That's the whole reason why EA bought BioWare. It wasn't because they liked BioWare's work and wanted to support it.

DA2 is what a company that doesn't do RPGs, like EA, thinks is an RPG. And really, all I can say is "Nice try, guys, but you missed the mark."

[Dragoonlordz]

DASockDA wrote...

You're aware that DAO came out ~2 years ago, right? To say that RPGs like that aren't made anymore is false. Further, to say that RPGs like that aren't -successful- anymore is also false. RPGs are growing and changing, yes, but the tried and true method DOES still work.

RPG Gamers are a niche group. Always will be. We're also often underestimated, as EA/BioWare recently learned to their chargrin. The company looked at us, and assumed that we alone would not generate enough sales. They decided to reach out, bring in new customers. I can't blame them for that, honestly. It isn't something that needs to be defended or appologized for. It IS a business, and making money IS the goal. That's the whole reason why EA bought BioWare. It wasn't because they liked BioWare's work and wanted to support it.

DA2 is what a company that doesn't do RPGs, like EA, thinks is an RPG. And really, all I can say is "Nice try, guys, but you missed the mark."

Don't waste your breath fella, I already tried to get through to him and it didn't work. He is too well encased in his bubble that nothing can penetrate or burst it.

[slimgrin]

marshalleck wrote...

TOR is going to be a disaster. Should be an amusing spectacle watching it collapse.

I'm afraid this will be the case. Wicked competition with MMO's. 

[Diceyy]

I want tor to succeed even if I don't end up buying it. WoW needs a serious competitor so blizzard is forced to lift their standards instead of just coasting like they have for the past year and a half.

[neppakyo]

Diceyy wrote...

I want tor to succeed even if I don't end up buying it. WoW needs a serious competitor so blizzard is forced to lift their standards instead of just coasting like they have for the past year and a half.

New blizzard MMO on the horizon. Titan I believe is going to be called, or still is the code name for it.

And there is Guild Wars 2. I'f im going to play an MMO, it'll be GW2, not TOR. Bring back good star wars games like X-Wing vs Tie Fighter.

[Emperor Mars]

...you do know that Skyrim is supposed to come out this year right?


Even if you dont like bethesda for what ever reason, the last three games the developed (thats developed not published) won rpg of the year and game of the year from many, many sources..

Hell I liked DA2, but I am putting my money on skyrim.

[Dragoonlordz]

Diceyy wrote...

I want tor to succeed even if I don't end up buying it. WoW needs a serious competitor so blizzard is forced to lift their standards instead of just coasting like they have for the past year and a half.

While I think WoW is a soul sucking demon spawn as far as the amount of lives it's sucked dry. I do still respect Blizzard for the simple reason they never release a game to my knowledge before it's ready and I respect that from a developer. A prime example of that approach is yet seen again with Diablo 3.

[marshalleck]

slimgrin wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

TOR is going to be a disaster. Should be an amusing spectacle watching it collapse.

I'm afraid this will be the case. Wicked competition with MMO's. 

Not so much wicked competition, as there is barely any market. And I can excuse people for thinking WoW with it's however many millions of subs now (in decline according to rumor, but who knows?) constitutes a healthy market. The problem is WoW players typically play WoW because they are happy with WoW, and don't want to play something else. They have invested real time and money into their hobby, will continue to, and will be loathe to part with their investment. A look at every other MMO release since WoW shows the same trend: a big launch as people investigate the shiny new thing that has captured their attention, followed by rapid decline as they return to their comfortable prior social circle. They seem to stablize somewhere around ~150k-200k subs retained by the six month mark if they're lucky--far less than that if the game has problems, as most MMOs do, being highly complex and ambitious software projects. If you want to see the real market for an MMO, total up the population of the other non-WoW MMOs live right now. There's your real market. That's what TOR can get a slice of. They won't be getting a piece of Blizzard's pie. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 24 mai 2011 - 03:03 .

[agesilaj12]

Game of the year.

[Diceyy]

agesilaj12 wrote...



Game of the year.

Yeah already saw that. In 11 minutes he does not use strong attack once. That guy is clueless.

[neppakyo]

heh. DSP is a moron. Doesn't even know how to lock on a target,

[marshalleck]

Hah, he disabled comments on his video. For obvious reasons I'm sure--he doesn't want anyone pointing out how bad he is.

[DanaScu]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

Gavinthelocust wrote...

Because there are only two companies making RPGs and everything that hasn't been released yet can't possibly win. I'm loving your logic.

Anyway Skyrim will probably do what Elder Scrolls games do best, sell a **** load of copies and get hundreds of awards. Science has proven this fact. Birds fly, fish swim, the scout hurts people, and Elder Scrolls games win awards.

I seriously question that.

Bethseda got *really* lucky with Oblivion.  When they released,  there were no other RPGs on the 360 or the PS3,  and only one (That was a port of an old game) on the PC in a year.  It released into a content starved genre.  It's not hard to sell alot of copies when there's no competition.

Since then,  Bethseda alienated Morrowind fans and publicly mocked them,  alienated Star Trek fans,  alienated and abused Fallout fans,  they've burned alot of bridges.  Now they're removing more RPG features because Todd still doesn't understand what an RPG is.

I expect it'll be quite similiar to DA2's release,  launching into a market with alot of competition and a ton of ill will,  I expect it to be an amazing disaster.

Mainly because Bethseda still sucks at stories,  sucks at content,  and keeps removing things without adding anything.  I mean seriously,  the creedo of a Bethseda fan is "Wait till the modders get it!",  which is very telling of the average quality of a Bethseda game. 

Bethseda's sin is Pride,  and I strongly suspect it's about to bite them.

Personally,  I suspect RPG of the year will go to Double Bear's "Dead State".  Black Isle veteran's making a Zombie Apocalypse RPG is a pretty strong contender.

Have you read anything about Skyrim? Have you not listened to Todd Howard...what the features are going to be...what the game looks like? People who criticize this game tend to blindly criticize Bethesda. They also pretend as if Morrowind, which was excellent, is the end all/be all of the Elder Scrolls.

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is The Elder Scrolls EVOLVED. Where shall i begin with the features in this game? Can i even cover them all? It's so massive, there is so much...there are so many improvements confirmed and new confirmed features its hard to pick a place to start.

Sure, right off the top people are going to criticize a classless system. I like it. I don't want to be restricted to a class, especially in an Elder Scrolls game. If I want to be a Mage, an Assassin, a Hunter or a Warrior I fan be those things by specifically choosing level perks for those classes. One of the 280 available perks. Then, if I wanted to be a mage, I can wield one of my 85 spells not including dragon shouts or duel wield them if i want....and see the amazing spell effects on the environment. I'm excited by the freedom I'm going to have.

IMPROVEMENTS....dynamic weather system independent of environment (snow falls on objects as it would in reality, based upon physics), 85 different NPC voice actors, third-person camera view as good or better as any third person perspective in existence, diverse dungeons...around 120 of them littered throughout Skyrim, 50% of them lasting 20-25 minutes and 50% lasting from 1-2 hours (9 dungeon designers this time instead of one...we are promised those 8 additional designers will make all of them unique and fresh), user interface overhaul with complex skill trees in stellar constellations, 3D, zoomable and rotatable pieces of loot...every single piece...some have writings on them hinting at side quests and hidden ancient artifacts of power, all-the-way draw distances (see it, go there...no loading textures...look down at a beautiful flower, look up at a distant mountain...walk to the top of that mountain), complex AI behavior...you won't necessarily be attacked on sight. Duel wielding weapons or spells or mix, give and take fighting, can't run backwards fast, finishing moves specific to weapon or customized weapon enchantment (specific to the specific augmentation...naming weapon or apparel customized enchanted item returns, 10 races remain the same except each is much more distinctive and detailed and unique.(I love the Khajiit's new fur and look!)

Those are just some.

NEW FEATURES

Dragons. Yes, oh yes....dragons . They are fierce, they are independent AI and they are free roaming. And they are very hard. If one spots you, it'll nose dive at you. And you can either fight, taking it's soul and learning a new power after locating a corresponding hidden rune in the created for the game Draconic language, or if you are ill equipped inventory wise, say, you left some good weapons at one of your houses, you better run. Not safe in towns...if one spots you in town it'll come after you. Talking to a character about a side mission....boom....dragon sees you, fight.In cities. Just don't let it ruin the wood mill, that effects the economy, making wood arrows scarce or even depleted in that region for a time. Even more dire if its the steel mill. Everyone has jobs....if you want to work, go work at a steel mill, wood mill, go cook or farm a field....wonder what sort of things one can get. Or grab a soul gem and head to the millwright and forge an enchanted steel shortsword or elven mace or dwarven longsword. Or whatever kind you want.

Story is still up in the air, I agree. Main quest a big mystery, and Bethesda isn't known for their stories. Let's see what they do.

This is just a sampling. Can't wait til November 11, and E3.

Don't attempt to talk to gatt. The only thing he ever posts is old sales figures that he believes supports his views on Bethesda's games. Forget the fact the games have been selling regularly since release and he's never taken the additional sales into account; he has the stats that he wants to use, and by the gods he'll pulverize that long since dead and rotted equine into the submolecular level of nothingness. I found an interesting statistic while looking something else up in the Guinness Book of records recently. They have a videogame category. I was rather surprised to note the entry

"The fastest-selling multi-platform roleplaying game is Fallout 3, which sold over 4.7 million copies in its first week on sale from October 28 to November 4 2008."

Now, the sales for DA2 did what? Who alienated more of their fans? Judging from posts on their forums, there are more posters planning to buy Skyrim than DA3 at this point. I know I've pre-ordered Skyrim already, while I didn't buy DA2. [played my brother's copy after he didn't listen to me, bought it anyway and never made it through the 2nd act. He lost all interest in it.] I'm not planning on DA3 if there aren't a lot of non-hot-rod-samurai-push-button-AWESOME-SPARTAN changes.

I was really surprised to find that FNV has the most lines of dialogue for a single player rpg. "The most lines of dialogue in a single-player role-playing game is 65,000, achieved by Fallout: New Vegas (Obsidian, 2010). "

I don't think that DA2 is in any danger of winning goty with the other games that have come out or will come out this year.

Modifié par DanaScu, 24 mai 2011 - 03:11 .

[agesilaj12]

Yeah, I guess he was expecting exploding bodies and parachuting waves....

[Dragoonlordz]

agesilaj12 wrote...



Game of the year.

lol what a crybaby. Funny how a vast amount of people can get past such parts, yet he can't.

I'm sorry but bad player = bad player.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 24 mai 2011 - 03:10 .

[agesilaj12]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

agesilaj12 wrote...



Game of the year.

lol what a crybaby. Funny how a vast amount of people can get past such parts, yet he can't.

I'm sorry but bad player = bad player.

I bet "Game Over" got burned to his retina......

[neppakyo]

TW2 does punish stupidity.. and he seems to have gotten punished a lot.

[Malanek]

Only watched the first 5 minutes. Biggest problem seemed to be not wanting to switch between signs in combat. He knew Quen was important but didn't want to go back to it? Plus he doesn't seem to know how to attack enemies that can block (other than stun them), he just wants to attack them head on.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Lol. That's what I like about Witcher 2. If you don't play smart, the game whips you.