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[Chromie]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Spalinin wrote...

Romantiq wrote...

Oblivion is bad by itself but fan creations have turned that game around into pure gold.

Yes, thats the point, it takes mod for oblivion to be decent, oblivion by itself is a sad rpg.

Well they are releasing it with full (improved) kit for modders on day one I believe, even better version than did before. I don't see Bioware doing that with DA2.

But if it's anything like Oblivion was on launch then I can wait for it. From what I have been reading it sounds great just have to see when it launches. If Bioware could have released a toolset at least a lot of people could fix what they don't like.

[Kroepoek]

2/10 for making me laugh OP.

[Lalue]

Oblivion, the witcher 2, da2...they are so different for me. As a woman i'm having an hard time with Witcher 2, not being able to play a female bug me but its still a good game, the combat is kinda challenging. DA2 well, it was rushed with boring env/combat...i would love to see some story dlc to see if it can be fixed. Oblivion/Skyrim...Loved Oblivion specially with the mods. I had a house ,a horse, lot of places to explore, but no real story where i could feel involved

[AlanC9]

Spalinin wrote...

Whats sad is hiow brainwashed Elder scrolls fabns are. Remember all the oblivion hype? Radiant AI, living breathing world? Oblivion was one iof the worsdt GAme of the year winners ever, terrible dialog, no choice in quests, no dialog options, cookie cutter dingeons, same environments, terrible leveled system for enemies and loot.

Why are so many saying Skyrim will rule? Like Oblivion did? It may, but most likely for its name. People fall for the style and size of Es game, the content is  horribly shallow.

Maybe that's what some people care about, rather than caring about the things you care about.

I can't stand the TES games myself, but if people like them... well, that's just what they like.

[Morty Smith]

I think the Witcher 2 will get more awards from independent sites, gamers and critics then say Dragon Age 2. But I think the VGA´s won´t recognize an european title without a big moneymachine behind it. Sadly.

[Lord_Valandil]

If DA2 wins a -single- award for RPG of the year, I'd be truly surprised.
Unless it's a prize from The Escapist, that is.

[Avissel]

Kroitz wrote...

I think the Witcher 2 will get more awards from independent sites, gamers and critics then say Dragon Age 2. But I think the VGA´s won´t recognize an european title without a big moneymachine behind it. Sadly.

You mean the Spike Tv VGAs? NOBODY should care what they think about anything.


At all.


Anything.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Ringo12 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Spalinin wrote...

Romantiq wrote...

Oblivion is bad by itself but fan creations have turned that game around into pure gold.

Yes, thats the point, it takes mod for oblivion to be decent, oblivion by itself is a sad rpg.

Well they are releasing it with full (improved) kit for modders on day one I believe, even better version than did before. I don't see Bioware doing that with DA2.

But if it's anything like Oblivion was on launch then I can wait for it. From what I have been reading it sounds great just have to see when it launches. If Bioware could have released a toolset at least a lot of people could fix what they don't like.

I kind of look at it like NWN on launch...but I feel NWN was worse because the main plot was likely the worst in fantasy game history and it was streamlined so you had to play the main plot to progress and get the occaisional side quest. Oblivion was at least a sand box so if you didn't like the main plot it could be avoided almost entirely.

But, both games are similar in that they were built to be modded. This has potential for being a great thing and neither would of been nearly as good without mod capabilities.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Alexander1136 wrote...

From what i've heard about skyrim, that company is doing the same thing that bioware did and removing alot of RPG elements and"streamlining" it. 

They added a perk system with over 280 perks to choose from, they went to a classless system to allow full customization of how your character develops, they've added a new magic/combat system to allow you to customize how you weild spells and weapons, they've added more weapons and armor choices from the previous title, they've added new spell effects, they've added new crafting skills and options to perform secondary crafting, they are increasing character customization options with additional features such as scars, beards, and tattoos not available in OB, and more I probably didn't think of off the top of my head.

If that is what you consider "streamlining" then Bioware is doing it wrong.

Yes, Nozybidaj is right about this. The only thing that Skyrim has eliminated is the traditional stats, using perks instead. At first this disappointed me. I thought it was going too far into easy-mode. But it didn't take long before I started thinking about what stats do. In DA 2, it just meant a restriction on wearing items really so that you had to wait around and grind waves of monsters to pump more strength and constitution into stat points just to put on some armor or use a weapon. I would rather get rid of that system.

I'm actually quite excited about not having stats now or the limitation of classes. DA 2 moved towards restricting fighting styles and item types to make classes more "unique" and that disappointed me. It's the lazy way out to make a class unique. Instead fo adding indpendant features, they just took them away and made an archaic, nonsensical system where rogues can only use "daggers" and warriors can't use ranged weapons or dual wield and mages are just a joke.

By ditching attribute scores and adding perks that lead to their own skill trees, the player can create any class they choose. Want to make a stealthy mage who is good with a bow? It can happen. Or a rogue that likes greatswords? Make a pure mage who doesn't use weapons, wielding magic in both hands now increases he potency of spells or toss a sword in one hand and cast with the other. Possibilities are fairly limitless with this new system, especially if modders start making their own spells and skill trees. I'm pretty impressed with the possibilities of it now. So no, Skyrim isn't streamlining like Bioware did in DA 2, Bethesda took all the restrictions to character building, put them in a pile and detonated it. It has the potential for being the most free character development system ever created for a RPG.

[Merced652]

Mesina2 wrote...

Captain Sassy Pants wrote...

The first Witcher already beat DA2 at it's game (reactive world with consequences for your choices) four years before it came out, and with Bioware's old engine. I can only imagine how badly the second game destroys it too.

I don't know about TW2 yet but first one sucks.

I didn't even bother playing farther then first level on how f*cking boring game mechanic was.
And cutscene were just too damn long and boring as well.

I'm starting to see Laidlaw's point.. :innocent:

[sympathy4saren]

Spalinin wrote...

Whats sad is hiow brainwashed Elder scrolls fabns are. Remember all the oblivion hype? Radiant AI, living breathing world? Oblivion was one iof the worsdt GAme of the year winners ever, terrible dialog, no choice in quests, no dialog options, cookie cutter dingeons, same environments, terrible leveled system for enemies and loot.

Why are so many saying Skyrim will rule? Like Oblivion did? It may, but most likely for its name. People fall for the style and size of Es game, the content is  horribly shallow.

For Skyrim to be better then The masterpiece that is The Witcher with its deep stopry, choices, amazing detail, deep RPG machanics, it has to be a drastic change to what any other Es game ahs been.

Combat bad in TW2? LMAO, if your a button mashing noob, its a lot lik demos souls, you cannot spam attck, you have to pick your spots, save stamina, use all your tools (Signs, bombs, potions, oils), and watch positioning, keep moving, Comabt is excellent.

I like ES game, they are fun, but the first villiage in TW2 has more detail and depth then most all of oblivion.

Oblivion was released in 2006. Is Skyrim different? You betcha. Is it a massive change? Not a change...a solid, gorgeous evolution. Graphically, Skyrim will stiff arm TW2.

Hey, just wondering...does CD projekt have a system, among all their other "details", that causes weapons or arrows to become sparce or nonexistent in the region for a while if a millwright or other business is self sabotaged or destroyed by a free roaming dragon?

If not...tsk tsk, CD Projekt.

Every other thing you mentioned has been met with direct and vigorous focus. Watch the gameplay trailer...read about the game from all of the legitimate sources. No...pick your favorite video games news source and read about Skyrim.

[Yrkoon]

wowpwnslol wrote...


I have just played one of the big contenders for RPG of the year, The Witcher 2 and I have to say it's complete garbage. The developers didn't even bother to improve the game, it seems. Combat is as bad as ever. The dialogues are ridiculous as is the whole gameplay. It's another fiasco of a game disguising itself as an "RPG" while being nothing of the sort.

Uh....  I don't agree with this.  The Witcher 2 has exceeded my incredibly high expectations on almost every level.   It has one flaw...  an unusually high learning curve with regards to its user interface.  But it is VERY much a hard core RPG,  and I get my RPG Nerdgasms   whenever I'm playing it

Modifié par Yrkoon, 24 mai 2011 - 10:54 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Oblivion was released in 2006. Is Skyrim different? You betcha. Is it a massive change? Not a change...a solid, gorgeous evolution. Graphically, Skyrim will stiff arm TW2.

Hey, just wondering...does CD projekt have a system, among all their other "details", that causes weapons or arrows to become sparce or nonexistent in the region for a while if a millwright or other business is self sabotaged or destroyed by a free roaming dragon?

If not...tsk tsk, CD Projekt.

Every other thing you mentioned has been met with direct and vigorous focus. Watch the gameplay trailer...read about the game from all of the legitimate sources. No...pick your favorite video games news source and read about Skyrim.

I don't know if I would keep up blind faith about those features.

I still remember how hyped up Radiant AI was and what a failure it was. Being a huge Morrowind fan, it was difficult to contain my outright disappointment with Oblivion as a whole.

That said, I've seen similar features in mods for Oblivion, Fallout 3 and New Vegas. So it's not impossible.

But I'll raise you another point. Can you climb ladders in Skyrim?

[In Exile]

sympathy4saren wrote...
Oblivion was released in 2006. Is Skyrim different? You betcha. Is it a massive change? Not a change...a solid, gorgeous evolution. Graphically, Skyrim will stiff arm TW2.

Hey, just wondering...does CD projekt have a system, among all their other "details", that causes weapons or arrows to become sparce or nonexistent in the region for a while if a millwright or other business is self sabotaged or destroyed by a free roaming dragon?

If not...tsk tsk, CD Projekt.

Every other thing you mentioned has been met with direct and vigorous focus. Watch the gameplay trailer...read about the game from all of the legitimate sources. No...pick your favorite video games news source and read about Skyrim.

As of right now, Skyrim doesn't have a system that does anything. Oblivion was almost Fable-like in how it failed to deliver on its hype. I thought it was fun (aside from the level-scaling; who thought that was a good idea?), but not the game-changer it was hyped to be.

[Romantiq]

mrcrusty wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

Oblivion was released in 2006. Is Skyrim different? You betcha. Is it a massive change? Not a change...a solid, gorgeous evolution. Graphically, Skyrim will stiff arm TW2.

Hey, just wondering...does CD projekt have a system, among all their other "details", that causes weapons or arrows to become sparce or nonexistent in the region for a while if a millwright or other business is self sabotaged or destroyed by a free roaming dragon?

If not...tsk tsk, CD Projekt.

Every other thing you mentioned has been met with direct and vigorous focus. Watch the gameplay trailer...read about the game from all of the legitimate sources. No...pick your favorite video games news source and read about Skyrim.

I don't know if I would keep up blind faith about those features.

I still remember how hyped up Radiant AI was and what a failure it was. Being a huge Morrowind fan, it was difficult to contain my outright disappointment with Oblivion as a whole.

That said, I've seen similar features in mods for Oblivion, Fallout 3 and New Vegas. So it's not impossible.

But I'll raise you another point. Can you climb ladders in Skyrim?

Ha! I'd love to find that out as well.

[Night Prowler76]

wowpwnslol wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

You honestly think TW2 is worse than DA2, and that TW2 won't be nominated while DA2 will?? 

Ahahahahahahahahahaha...hahahahaha...ha... ...ehhem...hahahahahaha...

Made my day!

TW2 is absolute garbage. The combat system, the magic and alchemy haven't been improved at all. In fact, it's more frustrating, annoying and anti intuitive. Dragon Age 2 has somehow managed to be better despite having a billion flaws.

Person who obviously could not figure the game out, it is in no way frustrating at all. Patience is always more helpful than ****ing.

[88mphSlayer]

wowpwnslol wrote...

which will undoubtedly bolster Bioware's confidence that they can get away with games like that and still be winners.

I have just played one of the big contenders for RPG of the year, The Witcher 2 and I have to say it's complete garbage. The developers didn't even bother to improve the game, it seems. Combat is as bad as ever. The dialogues are ridiculous as is the whole gameplay. It's another fiasco of a game disguising itself as an "RPG" while being nothing of the sort.

The saddest thing  about current RPG market is as bad as DA2 was, it still remains one of the better RPG games on the market today. I feel Bioware is unfairly exploiting the lack of RPG competition these days and riding their name to big profits.

Who is left to challenge them except ME3, which is their own game?

nope

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3's multiplayer is going to win rpg of the year easily

[Chromie]

Night Prowler76 wrote...

wowpwnslol wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

You honestly think TW2 is worse than DA2, and that TW2 won't be nominated while DA2 will?? 

Ahahahahahahahahahaha...hahahahaha...ha... ...ehhem...hahahahahaha...

Made my day!

TW2 is absolute garbage. The combat system, the magic and alchemy haven't been improved at all. In fact, it's more frustrating, annoying and anti intuitive. Dragon Age 2 has somehow managed to be better despite having a billion flaws.

Person who obviously could not figure the game out, it is in no way frustrating at all. Patience is always more helpful than ****ing.

And that's the problem people aren't patient like they used to be with rpgs.

[Wye]

Not DA2. Skyrim will.

[Realmzmaster]

Ringo12 wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

wowpwnslol wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

You honestly think TW2 is worse than DA2, and that TW2 won't be nominated while DA2 will?? 

Ahahahahahahahahahaha...hahahahaha...ha... ...ehhem...hahahahahaha...

Made my day!

TW2 is absolute garbage. The combat system, the magic and alchemy haven't been improved at all. In fact, it's more frustrating, annoying and anti intuitive. Dragon Age 2 has somehow managed to be better despite having a billion flaws.

Person who obviously could not figure the game out, it is in no way frustrating at all. Patience is always more helpful than ****ing.

And that's the problem people aren't patient like they used to be with rpgs.

I am very patient and very old school when it comes to CRPGS. Yes I can figure it out. I am in agreement with wowpwnslol. The game does not thrill me. Compared to other CRPGS I have played the Witcher 1 and 2 do not stand up. If you enjoyed them more power to you.
But the magic system is not impressive. Alchemy is worse than in Witcher 1. In Witcher 1 you remembered the formulas. Now you have to keep the scroll to remember the formula.
Did Geralt all of a sudden lose his intelligence? I like the combat system better in Witcher 1 and in DA2 than Witcher 2.
The Inventory system in Witcher 2 sucks air. Where is the storage I use to have at the inns?
Yes it is a pretty game . Impressive graphics, but after visting the same ground umpteeth number of times I do not care how good looking it is.
I glad I borrowed my friend's copy, since he was unable to load it on his system. If I feel the urge to play it all the way through, I will wait for the bargain bin like I did with Witcher 1

[Gotholhorakh]

I imagine it will be very difficult for DA2 to get game of the year, as apart from a few lovely lovely but still insane people, it doesn't seem to be widely regarded as a good game.

As for Skyrim, let's wait and see what it's actually like before we compare it to anything, eh?

I'm not anti-TES games and I will certainly buy it if we all still have (jobs|games shops|petroleum for transportation) come release day, but the promises now look exactly like those for Oblivion.

Oblivion wasn't terrible, but does anyone else remember, about 5 seconds in, encountering the emperor's "face"? Seriously, Oblivion had the most ROFL character models of any game anyone ever upgraded their rig for.

Let's not forget how sparsely distributed the OC was (which wasn't that bad, after all the word was a lovely relaxing place to explore), the criminally repetitive/stupid/boring NPC interaction, the scaling enemies that almost removed the concept of areas you would have to leave and come back to when you were more powerful, breaking the impression that the world around you had differences in power between individuals like any "real" world etc.

Don't get me wrong, I buy TES games and I'm really looking forward to buying Skyrim, but let's not romanticise the TES games, as they have the capacity to "need a little tweaking" before they're good games, as much as the occasional BioWare game.

For what it's worth, I think we all romanticise The Witcher games a bit too much as well, and I think it's probably getting the upswing - there's a good game we can cling to to salve our feelings about DA2 - it's as if all of the enjoyable feelings that come from embarking on an RPG adventure come flooding back, it reassures us that RPGs won't disappear, and I think people are apt to lionise the TW series just for releasing a decent game because of that.


Oddly, I think that a DA:O family game where time had been spent on expanding on the places, characters, skills, spells, weapons, armour, peoples and available choices, so that we all got lots to discover, rather than "rejigging" the way everything worked, might well have knocked other RPG releases this year out of the freakin' park.

I guess people still would have moaned, but what can you do about that? At least it would have deserved the reviews and maybe even GOTY.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 25 mai 2011 - 10:23 .

[Perles75]

How can you judge a game (Skyrim) which is months away from release?? Besides, not everyone likes the games of the Elder Scrolls series.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Skyrim will win whether it deserves to or not.

End of story.

[Romantiq]

Ringo12 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Spalinin wrote...

Romantiq wrote...

Oblivion is bad by itself but fan creations have turned that game around into pure gold.

Yes, thats the point, it takes mod for oblivion to be decent, oblivion by itself is a sad rpg.

Well they are releasing it with full (improved) kit for modders on day one I believe, even better version than did before. I don't see Bioware doing that with DA2.

But if it's anything like Oblivion was on launch then I can wait for it. From what I have been reading it sounds great just have to see when it launches. If Bioware could have released a toolset at least a lot of people could fix what they don't like.

What I like about Bethesda is that they acknowledge and look very favorably on fan creations because it gives them ,as a developer, ideas for future games as well as increasing hype for their game. The only other developer that I remember to mention right now that does that is Blizzard.

Modifié par Romantiq, 25 mai 2011 - 11:27 .

[abaris]

Perles75 wrote...

How can you judge a game (Skyrim) which is months away from release?? Besides, not everyone likes the games of the Elder Scrolls series.

I always keep wondering that. As has been said, especially after Oblivion.

Morrowind was great. In its time and age I daresay it was groundbreaking, but Oblivion hardly lived up to its predecessor. And what is conveniently forgotten when nostalgia strikes is the fact, that Bethesda did its worst when they tried to keep modders at bay at launch. That picked up only later when their horse armor and all the other crap they wanted to sell, sat in their stores like lead.

Yes, Skyrim is certainly something I'm looking at, but in this time and age I take a good hard look at any given product. And I'm certainly not the one to offer praise before I have even seen the package.