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[neppakyo]

Hmm, that UK list, DA2 is no where to be found. Crysis 2 is 6th tho.

But yeah, DA2 won't be winning any awards.

[Xeyska]

neppakyo wrote...
But yeah, DA2 won't be winning any awards.

This.

Too many RPGs are being released this year, and most of them will probably overshadow DA2.

[Il Divo]

Gatt9 wrote...

I seriously question that.

Bethseda got *really* lucky with Oblivion.  When they released,  there were no other RPGs on the 360 or the PS3,  and only one (That was a port of an old game) on the PC in a year.  It released into a content starved genre.  It's not hard to sell alot of copies when there's no competition.

Ahhh, the bitterness. It's doubtful that Oblivion's sales would have taken a drastic fall, even if there were other RPGs simultaneously released. Fans will simply buy both in due time. Otherwise, they probably wouldn't be bothered in the first place. The game was also incredibly well-received, which helps quite a bit with word of mouth.

Since then,  Bethseda alienated Morrowind fans and publicly mocked them,  alienated Star Trek fans,  alienated and abused Fallout fans,  they've burned alot of bridges.  Now they're removing more RPG features because Todd still doesn't understand what an RPG is.

I'm a Morrowind fan. I mock them too. Most Morrowind fans who complained did not want to play a new Elder Scrolls game. They wanted to replay Morrowind. Luckily, they still have that option.

I expect it'll be quite similiar to DA2's release,  launching into a market with alot of competition and a ton of ill will,  I expect it to be an amazing disaster.

Unfortunately, the release of every Elder Scrolls game so far would disagree with your expectations. It also doesn't have quite the ill will you like to imagine, even on its own boards. The Morrowind fans are not waiting in the wings to take apart Skyrim, unfortunately.

Mainly because Bethseda still sucks at stories,  sucks at content,  and keeps removing things without adding anything.  I mean seriously,  the creedo of a Bethseda fan is "Wait till the modders get it!",  which is very telling of the average quality of a Bethseda game. 

Which has been the case with every Elder Scrolls game thus far released. Bethesda releases content. Modders add/improve it. Neverwinter Nights, a Bioware game, followed much the same pattern, yet I've seen more than a few fans rate it their favorite Bioware game.

Modifié par Il Divo, 23 mai 2011 - 05:03 .

[billy the squid]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

RageGT wrote...

Archaven wrote...

I don't think so. There are so many piracy in PC gaming and RPG is a niche market compared to shooter and being a single player game with no multiplayer component makes it worst.

Those who purchase it are just old school RPG gamer... at least in my opinion.

That as Ringo said plus, how come TW1 sold over 1,500,000 copies with all those pirates around? I think you're too obsessed with filesharing and people downloading games for free. They do not make a difference in the sales result and I'm with those who expect and hope TW2 to sell at least some 5,000,000 copies. It is THAT good! And you know it! Pre-orders alone for TW2 are much higher than downloaded copies.

Look at this Witcher is 4th!

"Fourth in sales that's despite it being a PC-only release and the chart not counting digital sales. There's good news also for Polish developer CD Projekt - its Witcher sequel is outselling the original by three-to-one."

Especially when Digital Sales (Steam, GoG, D2D etc) for PC titles are huge in numbers compared to sales of non PC titles. Witcher 2 was estimated by professionals to sell around 4.5mil in total going off speed of sales of first one, now Witcher 2 day one saw 50% more than expected and selling 3x the original thats 4.5mil number is looking like could become atleast double that number. Also if they do release on consoles which they said interested in doing then that figure will shoot up even more.

Not to mention the PC version is not saddled with crippling DRM, I don't think GoG version has DRM does it? please correct me if I'm wrong. For £25 the premium edition is a steal, DLC is free, and I got additional stuff with the retail version. I think the piracy issue will always be present, but mitigated by the move to reward players for buying the product while keeping DRM down.
 
Rather than EA's policy of putting in the minimum of content and milking every penny out of DLC which feels like it was cut out of the game on purpose and spun out, before saddling the product with crippling DRM, ala ME 1 which can cause underlying problems in the DLC recognition in things like Dragon Age origins which still hasn't been fixed! Then again looking at EA's fiscal reports and the losses they take, I'm not too suprised they are desperate spin out products despite the damage it's doing to their franchises.

[Nerevar-as]

No DRM in GOG.

[Chromie]

Nerevar-as wrote...

No DRM in GOG.

No DRM in Gog AND Steam version.

Straight from Valve

[brgillespie]

Oblivion was a "good" game thanks to the Dark Brotherhood questline and the absolutely AMAZING work that some of the mod community has produced.

Taking the core game in itself... it was very pretty, but it had problems. Skyrim will be worth purchasing due to the content that the mod community will produce. The game that Bethesda releases, however, will likely be garbage.

Modifié par brgillespie, 23 mai 2011 - 05:19 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

wowpwnslol wrote...

which will undoubtedly bolster Bioware's confidence that they can get away with games like that and still be winners.

I have just played one of the big contenders for RPG of the year, The Witcher 2 and I have to say it's complete garbage. The developers didn't even bother to improve the game, it seems. Combat is as bad as ever. The dialogues are ridiculous as is the whole gameplay. It's another fiasco of a game disguising itself as an "RPG" while being nothing of the sort.

The saddest thing  about current RPG market is as bad as DA2 was, it still remains one of the better RPG games on the market today. I feel Bioware is unfairly exploiting the lack of RPG competition these days and riding their name to big profits.

Who is left to challenge them except ME3, which is their own game?

DA2 is the best RPG of the year.  Of course, there weren't that many RPGs released this year, since the genre as it stands is pretty much dead.  If it wasn't dead, there would be more RPGs.  :P:P 

BioWare will only refine the forumla and keep rollin'  along.

[Dragoonlordz]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

DA2 is the best RPG of the year. 

This part ~optimism taken to the extreme.

Of course, there weren't that many RPGs released this year, since the genre as it stands is pretty much dead. 

This part ~delusion.

BioWare will only refine the forumla and keep rollin'  along.

This part ~true.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 mai 2011 - 05:31 .

[Archaven]

Witcher2 sold 4.5Millions already? I doubt it.. i think kind of exaggerating for PC platform alone.

[Dragoonlordz]

Archaven wrote...

Witcher2 sold 4.5Millions already? I doubt it.. i think kind of exaggerating for PC platform alone.

Learn to read. Go back and read it again.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 mai 2011 - 05:35 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

This part ~delusion.

Name the other RPGs.  They have to be "old school" like DAO, otherwise they aren't RPGs, remember!  :lol:

[Dragoonlordz]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

This part ~delusion.

Name the other RPGs.  They have to be "old school" like DAO, otherwise they aren't RPGs, remember!  :lol:

You and your fantasy idiology of "old school" again.. Really? I already had to slap you down using that phrase before when it does not apply. Doing the same again will only end in the same result for you. <_<

You didn't say cRPG you said RPG. I replied to your statement not what you 'might' have mean't or changed to after the fact. Also no, your not going to bait me into debating what an RPG is or cRPG.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 mai 2011 - 05:38 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

You and your fantasy idiology of "old school" again.. Really? I already had to slap you down using that phrase before when it does not apply. Doing the same again will only end in the same result for you. <_<

You didn't say cRPG you said RPG. I replied to your statement not what you 'might' have mean't or changed to after the fact.

Hahaha!  You can't back up your own argument.  :P:P  You're arguing semantics to distract from not having anything to backup to your point with.  :lol:

[Chromie]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

You and your fantasy idiology of "old school" again.. Really? I already had to slap you down using that phrase before when it does not apply. Doing the same again will only end in the same result for you. <_<

You didn't say cRPG you said RPG. I replied to your statement not what you 'might' have mean't or changed to after the fact.

Hahaha!  You can't back up your own argument.  You're arguing semantics to distract from not having anything to backup to your point with. 

Aren't you doing the same?

[Travie]

Its hard to take anyone seriously after they call DA2 'rpg of the year'.

[Archaven]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Archaven wrote...

Witcher2 sold 4.5Millions already? I doubt it.. i think kind of exaggerating for PC platform alone.

Learn to read. Go back and read it again.

I understand english alright and thank you. That's just a general description where they can basically exaggerate. There's no sales figure shown.

But anyway if it did sell for 4.5Millions.. I'm truly happy for CDPR as i contributed 2 copies for them.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Archaven wrote...

I understand english alright and thank you. That's just a general description where they can basically exaggerate. There's no sales figure shown.

But anyway if it did sell for 4.5Millions.. I'm truly happy for CDPR as i contributed 2 copies for them.

He has to be rude to "win" the argument.  He knows just as well as you that his point is invalid.  :D:D

[Romantiq]

I love DA:O but its not old school. It's just not.

[Aargh12]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...
He has to be rude to "win" the argument.  He knows just as well as you that his point is invalid.  :D:D

I'll quote his post:

Especially when Digital Sales (Steam, GoG, D2D etc) for PC titles are huge in numbers compared to sales of non PC titles. Witcher 2 was estimated by professionals to sell around 4.5mil in total going off speed of sales of first one, now Witcher 2 day one saw 50% more than expected and selling 3x the original thats 4.5mil number is looking like could become atleast double that number. Also if they do release on consoles which they said interested in doing then that figure will shoot up even more.

Where did he wrote, that TW2 sold in 4,5milion copies already? 

[Dragoonlordz]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

You and your fantasy idiology of "old school" again.. Really? I already had to slap you down using that phrase before when it does not apply. Doing the same again will only end in the same result for you. <_<

You didn't say cRPG you said RPG. I replied to your statement not what you 'might' have mean't or changed to after the fact.

Hahaha!  You can't back up your own argument.  :P:P  You're arguing semantics to distract from not having anything to backup to your point with.  :lol:

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Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 mai 2011 - 06:29 .

[John Epler]

Alright. Let's cut it out with the bickering.

Rinpoche, please keep it civil. You can get your point across without the condescension.

Dragoonlordz, same applies to you.

Thanks.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

JohnEpler wrote...

Alright. Let's cut it out with the bickering.

Rinpoche, please keep it civil. You can get your point across without the condescension.

Dragoonlordz, same applies to you.

Thanks.

Rinpoche may have an issue doing that John, considering he's talking out of his tail end in the first place.

[Chromie]

Romantiq wrote...

I love DA:O but its not old school. It's just not.

Sadly everyone think DAO is somehow near the complexity of Baldur's Gate. You can't even break locks with out a mod!
Dialogue isn't anything special (not in terms of quality) remember when you couldn't just say everything because you don't have the stats for it?

[Radwar]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

CaolIla wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

kglaser wrote...

I tried to play Fallout 1, but got intimidated by the time pressure.

And there you have it. One of the strongest role-playing features in the game is too intimidating for too many players.

And I bet they think DA2 was pefect, granted I enjoyed it but it has serious flaws.

I don't understand why people complain that you can't create a character therefor it's not an rpg. Does anyone remember Planescape: Torment?

Sadly three quaters of this forum cannot comprehend the awesomness of that game. Seriously that game is so good I freaking cried at the end! And I...never....cry.

so the majority in this forum is just wrong or what are you trying to say? I also cried (which i usually don't do ) during the game but I think for other reasons than you.  

No. The majority of this forum can't comprehend that some people have better tastes than others or are more educated about certain subjects,  like in all things. You can shrug it off to "wowowo it's personal opinion" while I can acknowledge the people with more experience who I am more likely to seek out advice from, as opposed to newboyz on the internet who imply Planescape: Torment made them vomit.

Planescape was a great RPG with a great story but it had one huge flaw IMO. You had to create your character the way the developers wanted you to (very high Wisdom) or you would miss out on most of the story and alot of quests. So if you played a mage, warrior, thief, etc, you were out of luck.

Modifié par Radwar, 23 mai 2011 - 06:25 .