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[Phaelducan]

Nah, just make one of those with a high wisdom in Torment.. but yeah your point is taken.

Why all the hate on either side though? DA2 is just another game, but regardless of your opinions on it's merits meeting whatever criteria... there is stiff competition coming out this year. Deus Ex is killing it in reviews all over the place (not official reviews yet, but every time I read a preview from a gaming site/magazine the reviewer is practically drooling), it has a really high coolness/nostalgia factor, and from what I've seen so far the RPG mechanics are really solid. Yeah, you have iron sights and shoot people, but there are also multiple branching dialog systems with pretty much every quest NPC and lots of side-quests, optional computer hacking for more story, etc.

To not call it an RPG is the same narrow-minded genre myopic that we see too much of on these boards.

Also... anyone who doesn't think Skyrim will be a juggernaut is delusional. Hate it or love it (The Elder Scrolls, that is), it's a titan in the industry.

[simonc4175]

Boiny Bunny wrote...


Yes, in your holy opinion.  Which is fine.  You are absolutely entitled to believe that TW2 is garbage if you like.

I personally, if I had to rate the two games at the moment, would probably give DA2 a 5/10 and TW2 a 9.5/10.

But, neither of our personal opinions are of any consequence whatsoever when it comes to RPG of the year.

TW2 has been universally received as a dramatically superior game to DA2 - many reviewers directly point out how terrible DA2 is by comparison.

That anybody could actually believe that DA2 would win RPG of the year over TW2, from a critical reviewer point of view (assuming that one of them would win in the first place...) is incredibly laughable - thus the making of my day

I personally wouldn't have gave either game over 80% if I was a reveiwer.


Giving TW2 9.5/10 shows that your either extremely biased or obvlious to the games flaws.

Witcher 2 is fine is you being 1 shotted by bosses and sometime bing stuck between loading screens where area transitions happens.


Whoever voiced Geralt sounds as though they were bored to death while doing it.

Atlest both games have common gound in the VO dept.

[Tsuga C]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Rinpoche may have an issue doing that John, considering he's talking out of his tail end in the first place.

Meeeeeeeoooowwwwwwww! 

That's our Sarah! 

[Chromie]

simonc4175 wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...


Yes, in your holy opinion.  Which is fine.  You are absolutely entitled to believe that TW2 is garbage if you like.

I personally, if I had to rate the two games at the moment, would probably give DA2 a 5/10 and TW2 a 9.5/10.

But, neither of our personal opinions are of any consequence whatsoever when it comes to RPG of the year.

TW2 has been universally received as a dramatically superior game to DA2 - many reviewers directly point out how terrible DA2 is by comparison.

That anybody could actually believe that DA2 would win RPG of the year over TW2, from a critical reviewer point of view (assuming that one of them would win in the first place...) is incredibly laughable - thus the making of my day

I personally wouldn't have gave either game over 80% if I was a reveiwer.


Giving TW2 9.5/10 shows that your either extremely biased or obvlious to the games flaws.

Witcher 2 is fine is you being 1 shotted by bosses and sometime bing stuck between loading screens where area transitions happens.


Whoever voiced Geralt sounds as though they were bored to death while doing it.

Atlest both games have common gound in the VO dept.

You don't get one shotted by anyone at all in the game and the game punishes stupidity not reward it. Give the voice acting a break it's better then most games improved on the original and is a Polish game localised in 8 different languages. 

Bioware has always been great with voice work but that doesn't mean lately there games are.

@Phaelducan  if anyone says Deus Ex is Human Revolution is not an rpg then tell them Mass Effect is not one either.

Modifié par Ringo12, 23 mai 2011 - 06:54 .

[Phaelducan]

They are both RPG's.

Edit: For that matter, on the subject of "one-shotting" I'd like to call evidence to Baldur's Gate and the Sleep spell. How is walking up to an NPC, maybe you get dialog maybe you don't, and a combat starts and the first thing that happens is your party gets hit by an AOE sleep which miraculously succeeds like 85% of the time even though numerically you should have at least a 50/50 shot before modifiers (yay random dice rolls!). Grats, you all die from one spell incapacitating your whole group. Lots of RPG's have "one-shot" boss encounters. It's basically a genre feature.

Modifié par Phaelducan, 23 mai 2011 - 07:04 .

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Tsuga C wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Rinpoche may have an issue doing that John, considering he's talking out of his tail end in the first place.

Meeeeeeeoooowwwwwwww! 

That's our Sarah! 

Eh I just call em how I see em. DA2..RPG of the year.. AHAHAHAHAHAHA HHAHA  *cough*  HAHAHAHAaHHHA
whew sorry had to get it out of my system.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

wowpwnslol wrote...
Who is left to challenge them except ME3, which is their own game?

You are.  Well, maybe not this year, unless you work real fast, but it's time you took all of your RPG knowledge and used it to establish a stranglehold on the "real RPG" market.  Then, when EA comes along to buy you out and make you one more cog in their vast, evil machine, you can tell them to pack sand and continue making the right kinds of games.  Be the change you want to see in the world!  Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!  A hero is you!  All their base are belong to you!

[Phaelducan]

I wouldn't laugh too hard... while I don't think it will win either, I would not be surprised if it did. Like it or not a lot of people liked DA2... as well as the direction Bioware is moving.

[Chromie]

Phaelducan wrote...

They are both RPG's.

What I meant is if people say Deus Ex is less of an rpg because it has guns then that means Mass Effect is to. 

[Phaelducan]

I've heard the argument, but it's still weak. Lots of RPG's have guns. Not just JRPG (Xenogears, Final Fantasy, Suikoden, etc) but also numerous western RPG's as well (from FASA to Lionhead to Bethesda).

Also, I still feel a lot of this pointless debate could be avoided by people just opening up a bit on what RPG actually means. You don't hear this drivel from platforming genre debates. An RPG has a fairly broad set of criteria, and ME/Deus Ex certainly fit the bill.

80/90's era CRPG are only one kind of RPG, and definitively they aren't the only variety.

[Romantiq]

You can get one shot in neverwinter nights from death based spells as well.

[agesilaj12]

Nice troll theread. As we all know DA2 already won RPG of the decade. So lesser games liek Witcher 2, Deus Ex, Skyrim and maybe even DS3 will have to do with RPG of the year.

[Romantiq]

lol

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Whether you agree they are RPG's by your standards is as irrelevant as your initial comment where saying the (RPG) genre is dead. Thats PC, PS3, 360, PSP, DS, Wii and all 2011.

 :happy::happy::happy:  The RPG genre is pretty much dead.  Your list only proves my point.  You've got Pokemon on there as an RPG.  It's a card/collection game.  You've got Darkspore on there as an RPG.  HMM is an RTS/RPG at best.  Your list proves my point.

The days of DAO/NWN/BG games are over.  The Excel/Novel setup, where it still exists at all, is being drowned in a sea of options.  The post I replied to suggested as much, and I agree.  RPGs have to change.  DA2 is a good move forward.  Is it perfect, heck no.  My favorite flaws to harp on are the recycled areas and the lack of a central companion management screen.

The fact is, RPGs aren't like DAO/BG/NWN anymore.  The genre is just about dead and needs to change.  Out of everything released under the RPG label this year, DA2 is right up at the top if not the top.

[Teredan]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

 :happy::happy::happy:  The RPG genre is pretty much dead.  Your list only proves my point.  You've got Pokemon on there as an RPG.  It's a card/collection game.  You've got Darkspore on there as an RPG.  HMM is an RTS/RPG at best.  Your list proves my point.

The days of DAO/NWN/BG games are over.  The Excel/Novel setup, where it still exists at all, is being drowned in a sea of options.  The post I replied to suggested as much, and I agree.  RPGs have to change.  DA2 is a good move forward.  Is it perfect, heck no.  My favorite flaws to harp on are the recycled areas and the lack of a central companion management screen.

The fact is, RPGs aren't like DAO/BG/NWN anymore.  The genre is just about dead and needs to change.  Out of everything released under the RPG label this year, DA2 is right up at the top if not the top.

Oh my god shut up.... You're like the people that cry every year that PC gaming is dead.
Witcher 2 looks pretty awesome, so does Deus Ex 2, Dark Souls, Skyrim, (kind of)Dragons Dogma
but yeah RPGs are dead....!

But yeah if theres nothing among these titles for you, thats sad, but you can take solace in the fact that you can still go back to the bedroom RPGs

[Dragoonlordz]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Whether you agree they are RPG's by your standards is as irrelevant as your initial comment where saying the (RPG) genre is dead. Thats PC, PS3, 360, PSP, DS, Wii and all 2011.

~Fixed~

Sorry but I have lost patience with you now, when come out with silly comments like RPGs are dead, then when I show that there are a vast amount coming out some amazing quality some not so good but that the marketplace is in demand hence why so many are made. Told you whether (you) view each and every one of those RPG enough for you is irrelevant yet you continue to talk nonsense and claim that as proof RPGs are dead then you have gone beyond naivety and into realms uncharted by normal sane people.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 mai 2011 - 09:06 .

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Whether you agree they are RPG's by your standards is as irrelevant as your initial comment where saying the (RPG) genre is dead. Thats PC, PS3, 360, PSP, DS, Wii and all 2011.

 :happy::happy::happy:  The RPG genre is pretty much dead.  Your list only proves my point.  You've got Pokemon on there as an RPG.  It's a card/collection game.  You've got Darkspore on there as an RPG.  HMM is an RTS/RPG at best.  Your list proves my point.

The days of DAO/NWN/BG games are over.  The Excel/Novel setup, where it still exists at all, is being drowned in a sea of options.  The post I replied to suggested as much, and I agree.  RPGs have to change.  DA2 is a good move forward.  Is it perfect, heck no.  My favorite flaws to harp on are the recycled areas and the lack of a central companion management screen.

The fact is, RPGs aren't like DAO/BG/NWN anymore.  The genre is just about dead and needs to change.  Out of everything released under the RPG label this year, DA2 is right up at the top if not the top.

Um yeah, you should prolly quit before you bury yourself so deep you can't possib..oh wait too late.

Witcher2? selling quite well, titles like Torchlight while a little "lite" on the story aspect, sold well enough for a sequel. DAO? That game ya know that you and Bioware themselves now call flawed and outdated? Sold a whole hell of a lot better than DA2. The Deus Ex reboot? Still an RPG at it's core, allowing the player multiple ways to tackle missions, and multiple upgrades of skills etc.  Skyrim? The list goes on and on.

Saying the genre is dead, and calling DA2 the finest RPG ever in the same breath? Prolly the most laughable thing I've yet to see on this forum, and I've read a ton of Maria Caliban posts, so that's saying something.

[Melca36]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Whether you agree they are RPG's by your standards is as irrelevant as your initial comment where saying the (RPG) genre is dead. Thats PC, PS3, 360, PSP, DS, Wii and all 2011.

~Fixed~

Sorry but I have lost patience with you now, when come out with silly comments like RPGs are dead, then when I show that there are a vast amount coming out some amazing quality some not so good but that the marketplace is in demand hence why so many are made. Told you whether (you) view each and every one of those RPG enough for you is irrelevant yet you continue to talk nonsense and claim that as proof RPGs are dead then you have gone beyond naivety and into realms uncharted by normal sane people.

I think people should just stop talking and responding to Rinpoche. Its obvious he is nothing but a troll.

[John Epler]

Perhaps you two misunderstood me.

Stop bickering. Let's bring this thread back on-topic and away from the tangent that it currently finds itself on.

[Dragoonlordz]

JohnEpler wrote...

Perhaps you two misunderstood me.

Stop bickering. Let's bring this thread back on-topic and away from the tangent that it currently finds itself on.

We all was until he showed up, it's pretty hard to talk about RPGs of the year when someone comes in and states something as stupid as RPG genre is dead (especially on your site where you make RPG's).

Nevemind though I'll just ignore him from now on.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 mai 2011 - 09:34 .

[erynnar]

deleted so as not to contribute to feeding the troll.

Modifié par erynnar, 23 mai 2011 - 10:54 .

[billy the squid]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Whether you agree they are RPG's by your standards is as irrelevant as your initial comment where saying the (RPG) genre is dead. Thats PC, PS3, 360, PSP, DS, Wii and all 2011.

 :happy::happy::happy:  The RPG genre is pretty much dead.  Your list only proves my point.  You've got Pokemon on there as an RPG.  It's a card/collection game.  You've got Darkspore on there as an RPG.  HMM is an RTS/RPG at best.  Your list proves my point.

The days of DAO/NWN/BG games are over.  The Excel/Novel setup, where it still exists at all, is being drowned in a sea of options.  The post I replied to suggested as much, and I agree.  RPGs have to change.  DA2 is a good move forward.  Is it perfect, heck no.  My favorite flaws to harp on are the recycled areas and the lack of a central companion management screen.

The fact is, RPGs aren't like DAO/BG/NWN anymore.  The genre is just about dead and needs to change.  Out of everything released under the RPG label this year, DA2 is right up at the top if not the top.

Guys, "TROLL! TROLL IN THE DUNGEON! Thought you'd want to know."

Modifié par billy the squid, 23 mai 2011 - 11:13 .

[erynnar]

billy the squid wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Whether you agree they are RPG's by your standards is as irrelevant as your initial comment where saying the (RPG) genre is dead. Thats PC, PS3, 360, PSP, DS, Wii and all 2011.

 :happy::happy::happy:  The RPG genre is pretty much dead.  Your list only proves my point.  You've got Pokemon on there as an RPG.  It's a card/collection game.  You've got Darkspore on there as an RPG.  HMM is an RTS/RPG at best.  Your list proves my point.

The days of DAO/NWN/BG games are over.  The Excel/Novel setup, where it still exists at all, is being drowned in a sea of options.  The post I replied to suggested as much, and I agree.  RPGs have to change.  DA2 is a good move forward.  Is it perfect, heck no.  My favorite flaws to harp on are the recycled areas and the lack of a central companion management screen.

The fact is, RPGs aren't like DAO/BG/NWN anymore.  The genre is just about dead and needs to change.  Out of everything released under the RPG label this year, DA2 is right up at the top if not the top.

Guys, "TROLL! TROLL IN THE DUNGEON! Thought you'd want to know."

Hey! That's might schtick!!!! You forgot to *faint* after that!

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Phaelducan wrote...

I wouldn't laugh too hard... while I don't think it will win either, I would not be surprised if it did. Like it or not a lot of people liked DA2... as well as the direction Bioware is moving.

Totally agree with this!  I like what DA2 offered.  I feel it is the best RPG of the year.  I know that angers a lot of people, but I recall people lamenting the death of Quake/Doom games as games with story became popular.  I feel it's the same way now.  There is a shift happening.

I think it's more than the direction BioWare is moving, though...  A game every 18 months seems to be the way the industry is moving.  If that means I get games focused on a human this time, an elf next time, a dwarf in three years...  I'm cool with that.  I like the change up and I like the tigher stories that offers.


*disappears for beer and hockey time*  :O:O

Modifié par RinpocheSchnozberry, 23 mai 2011 - 11:26 .

[Dragoonlordz]

... ...Anyways.

To be honest I would laugh if no western made RPG wins it this year. Maybe NiNoKuni or more likley Dark Souls (due Dec 31st 2011) which is the follow up to Demons Souls by Namco. Unfortuantly release so late in year won't probably make it into this years list.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 mai 2011 - 11:29 .