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[Lumikki]

Ringo12 wrote...

Are you serious? The games are based on a book series! You expect CDProjekt to just start pulling stuff out their ***? What do you think this is Dragon Age 2?

So, that would mean that TW is most linear game ever, because that's what books are. What I mean, if you accept that Geralt can change the plot how it goes in games like you all keep saying, then it's not following the books plot exactly. This means you accept that something can be changed, while you deny that something else can be changed because it's based the book. *mm*...

[fchopin]

Lumikki wrote...

So, that would mean that TW is most linear game ever, because that's what books are.

The witcher is not linear, Geralt is a guy and that is how he will stay.
 
CDPR are free to create any story they like as the witcher games are based after Geralt died in the books but they have to keep the witcher world as the books, no different from Bioware DA games.
 
I myself do not see a problem with a female playable character in the witcher games as long as Geralt stays a man.

[Lumikki]

That has been my point. It's not any more okey to have redused options in TW than it's in DA2. Both games should have fully customized character and story where choises does matter.

Modifié par Lumikki, 02 juin 2011 - 11:05 .

[Corto81]

Lumikki wrote...

That has been my point. It's not any more okey to have redused options in TW than it's in DA2. Both games should have fully customized character and story where choises does matter.

I don't see why they "should" have it.

I do agree that (my) prefered perfect RPG does have a fully customizable character.

And while I do agree with you on DA2 - not only is Hawke a step away from the fully customizable Warden from DA:O, but Hawke's also just a bland character - I don't see any reason why Witcher should be like that as well.

Witcher  is about Geralt and his adventures in that world.
I completely respect there's a certain crowd who can't get into it because it's a 3rd person RPG, but as a 3rd person RPG it's brilliantly done.
(as opposed to Hawke - iMO - who was bland, a passanger, and a bit daft at times apparently)

[Lumikki]

Corto81 wrote...

Witcher  is about Geralt and his adventures in that world.

Like Tomb Raider is about Lara Croft's and her adventures in the world.
Like DAO is about Warden and his/her adventures in the world.
Like DA2 is about Hawke and his/her adventures in the world.
Like ME is about Shepard and his/her adventures in the World.

I completely respect there's a certain crowd who can't get into it because it's a 3rd person RPG, but as a 3rd person RPG it's brilliantly done.

All above games are 3rd person RPG's. (Tomb Raider is more adventure.)

Modifié par Lumikki, 02 juin 2011 - 11:26 .

[marshalleck]

Lumikki wrote...

Okey, let see when I try to progress Geralt as mage when leveling up as not taking any sword related melee "talents". See how it works.

It works quite well--the signs are really powerful when you invest in that tree. 

[88mphSlayer]

Lumikki wrote...

That has been my point. It's not any more okey to have redused options in TW than it's in DA2. Both games should have fully customized character and story where choises does matter.

as interesting as that would be i question how Geralt would get a sex change 

also DA2 is a bad example of how sequels "open up possibilities" since they restricted you to being Hawke (a pre-defined path) and human-only (no dwarf, elf, etc.)

Modifié par 88mphSlayer, 02 juin 2011 - 02:32 .

[Dariuszp]

Lumikki wrote...

Corto81 wrote...

Witcher  is about Geralt and his adventures in that world.

Like Tomb Raider is about Lara Croft's and her adventures in the world.
Like DAO is about Warden and his/her adventures in the world.
Like DA2 is about Hawke and his/her adventures in the world.
Like ME is about Shepard and his/her adventures in the World.

I completely respect there's a certain crowd who can't get into it because it's a 3rd person RPG, but as a 3rd person RPG it's brilliantly done.

All above games are 3rd person RPG's. (Tomb Raider is more adventure.)

Sorry but are you trolling ? Because i dont know if there is any point in discussion with you. Let me explain you this because i see you got problem with thinking.

1. Lara Croft was made up as needed. They take Indiana Jones, add some boobs and you got new game hero. Icon of that time if i recall. It was made up just for the game.
2. In DAO you got some random folk who have bad life and so he decide to save the world. So you can create how this "hero" will look.
3. In DA II they serve you someone called "Hawk". They drop him in the middle of nowhere with his family with no background story at all and make him save Kirkwall. So you can change his look.
4. In ME they did the same thing. They present character you created with no background stroy or life. They add few line how he do something years ago and why he should be "super policeman". And there you got. Another hollow hero.

Then you got Gerald from Rivia. Guy who was taken from his mother as child because he was Child of Fate or something. In other word, someone save someone life and in return - ask to get whatever he find in his house and he didn't expect it. He return to home and find out that he have a son. Gerald was taken after 6 years and was put under trials and training. Also they use magic and mutagens on him. 4/10 kids live after that. His mutation was not perfect, that's why his hair are white despite he is not old.
His father is unknown. His mother is a mage. He got whole life story.
Also, there are 7 volumes about him. 2 are more or less random stories and 5 volumes is whole plot about world, Gerald and Ciri. 16 year old girl who was princess without country, witcher that dont kill monsters and mage that dont do magic. Story start with Blood of the Elves.
With this 7 books (Blood of Elves was release in 1994,  17 years ago) you get to know Gerald and people around him. Also you will know how he act, what is his character, how he look and how he fight.
And book never was about saving world and other stupid thing that i get tired after years of reading, playing games and watching movies. 

So you tell me that CDPR should make another stupid, hollow "hero"  ? No, they took iconic character that some poeple who actualy read good stuff know. They build world just like in the book. They make good story that is CONTINUATION of the book. They put there same characters. And when i start playing i just know loot of stuff already. And i love it.

And now you say that Gerald is nothing better that some stupid Hawk or Shepard and that you should be allow to add boobs to him and make him gay or something ? Hell no. It could be only possible if they cedice to drop Gerald and allow us to create some random witcher.  But they dont. They use character that i know and like and they make him just like i remember him. So stay away.

Modifié par Dariuszp, 02 juin 2011 - 03:49 .

[Sarethus]

fchopin wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

So, that would mean that TW is most linear game ever, because that's what books are.

The witcher is not linear, Geralt is a guy and that is how he will stay.
 
CDPR are free to create any story they like as the witcher games are based after Geralt died in the books but they have to keep the witcher world as the books, no different from Bioware DA games.
 
I myself do not see a problem with a female playable character in the witcher games as long as Geralt stays a man.

One slight problem with having a female character in the Witcher World is that females can't become witchers. The mutation process that is used to create witchers only works on men (not sure what happens to women who attempt it but I'd lay odds that they probably die during the process.)

The closest that a female came to being a Witcher was Ciri (Geralt's promise-child) and she was only trained as a witcher without becoming a mutant. That would mean less speed / strength etc, less effective fighting monsters and given that most witcher potions only work on witchers they wouldn't be able to use potions. (seriously in the english translated Witcher story I read, there was a case of a normal human drinking a Cat potion which lets Witchers see in the dark, only to have his eyes pop out or explode or something similar, can't remember exactly.) They might be able to use Witcher Signs but I am unsure of that.
   

[Dariuszp]

Yes they could. Witcher signs was just VERY simple spells that require just small amount of magic talents. We can use more powerfull signs while playing Gerald because he got mage as mother as i say before.
In theory (Vilgefortz say it 3 or 4 volume) Gerald could become a mage if he want. Interesting :-)

Still if I remember, there were no info about female Witchers. They even talk about Ciri (Triss concern if they use some mutagens on Ciri in 3rd volume) so it sugest that you can have female witcher. Still, secrets about making childs a witchers was lost. It was mentioned also in 3rd book.

Modifié par Dariuszp, 02 juin 2011 - 03:54 .

[erynnar]

Corto81 wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

That has been my point. It's not any more okey to have redused options in TW than it's in DA2. Both games should have fully customized character and story where choises does matter.

I don't see why they "should" have it.

I do agree that (my) prefered perfect RPG does have a fully customizable character.

And while I do agree with you on DA2 - not only is Hawke a step away from the fully customizable Warden from DA:O, but Hawke's also just a bland character - I don't see any reason why Witcher should be like that as well.

Witcher  is about Geralt and his adventures in that world.
I completely respect there's a certain crowd who can't get into it because it's a 3rd person RPG, but as a 3rd person RPG it's brilliantly done.
(as opposed to Hawke - iMO - who was bland, a passanger, and a bit daft at times apparently)

This^ And yes, boring bland kiddie ride.  And daft just about covers my Hawke. Shep was a great vehicle for a set narrative. Geralt great character (and with choices that made the world change). Both of them? Well written, fully formed, characters and not just a vehicle for the story, but part of the story itself.

[neppakyo]

Dari...

Yes they could. Witcher signs was just VERY simple spells that require just small amount of magic talents. We can use more powerfull signs while playing Gerald because he got mage as mother as i say before. 
In theory (Vilgefortz say it 3 or 4 volume) Gerald could become a mage if he want. Interesting :-)

Still if I remember, there were no info about female Witchers. They even talk about Ciri (Triss concern if they use some mutagens on Ciri in 3rd volume) so it sugest that you can have female witcher. Still, secrets about making childs a witchers was lost. It was mentioned also in 3rd book

Wish all the books were translated. Only read The Last Wish and Blood of Elves.

And wasn't it mages in the first place that created witchers?

erynnar wrote...

This^ And yes, boring bland kiddie ride.  And daft just about covers my Hawke. Shep was a great vehicle for a set narrative. Geralt great character (and with choices that made the world change). Both of them? Well written, fully formed, characters and not just a vehicle for the story, but part of the story itself.

Yep, you said it erynnar. Geralt and Shep were part of the story, characters that were woven in to it. Hawke was a bumper car, made for you to drive around and crash into things while the Varric/Anders story played out.

[Must have name]

I recently played through Witcher 2 and loved it, but here's my thoughts on the matter.

Both don't feel like your character. The problem is, Dragon Age wants Hawke to feel like your character, and he simply isn't. Witcher realises you're playing Geralt and thus only really gives you grey-choices that all have meaningful story effect rather than mess around with morality.

[Dreadstruck]

Dariuszp wrote...
Still if I remember, there were no info about female Witchers. They even talk about Ciri (Triss concern if they use some mutagens on Ciri in 3rd volume) so it sugest that you can have female witcher. Still, secrets about making childs a witchers was lost. It was mentioned also in 3rd book.

You technically can. But supposedly the chances of surviving are damn slim and it goes againts the lore according to some.

There is no female Witch Queen in LOTR either, right?

[Nerevar-as]

No Human Ring was given to a female, I guess. We always have the vision of corrupted Galadriel however.

For starters Triss comments the processes involved to create witchers were developed with males in mind and would play havoc with a girl´s hormonal system, even before the mutations. So I don´t expect any female witchers in the future, or at least that will not make Brienne from ASoF&I look like a top model.

I would like a game set in that world with free character creation. Starting at level 1 would mean sorcerers wouldn´t be almost unbeatable unless surprised for instance.

[Dariuszp]

As I say. It was never said in books that female witchers are imposible or that they were hard to create. But remember that Gerald story is in middle ages (knights and stuff) so it was natural that they take boy to train them as warriors.
Witcher life is hard. As Gerald said once - there were no single witcher who died because he was old.

@neppakyo, dont tell me that they give you 2 books only. The Last Wish was just bunch of stories about Gerald that Sapkowski wrote to some fantasy newspaper. After that there were "Sword of Destiny". It was with less random stories from Gerald life. Last chapters begin Ciri story. Then you got 5 volumes about Gerald and his promised child. It was so dam good. And they translate only first of them ?

What can I say :-) Back in 1994 i learn english JUST to play Fallout :-D I'm still big fan of this game After that there was Baldurs Gate. You should know that CD Project RED learn from Bioware a little. Back in the days they made translation of the Baldurs Gate. First so big game translation in Poland (text and vocies). After that they decide to make their own game. Bioware provide them with Aurora engine (neverwinter nights 1) and in 2007 we saw first Witcher :-D. You should try to learn Polish so you can read what happened after Blood of the Elves.

[neppakyo]

Dariuszp wrote...

@neppakyo, dont tell me that they give you 2 books only. The Last Wish was just bunch of stories about Gerald that Sapkowski wrote to some fantasy newspaper. After that there were "Sword of Destiny". It was with less random stories from Gerald life. Last chapters begin Ciri story. Then you got 5 volumes about Gerald and his promised child. It was so dam good. And they translate only first of them ?

Just the two books in english

Well, if you want you can get your books, and translate them to english for me

[Chromie]

Must have name wrote...

I recently played through Witcher 2 and loved it, but here's my thoughts on the matter.

Both don't feel like your character. The problem is, Dragon Age wants Hawke to feel like your character, and he simply isn't. Witcher realises you're playing Geralt and thus only really gives you grey-choices that all have meaningful story effect rather than mess around with morality.

Um what? The game has grey choices because not everything is so black and white. Maybe something like saving Zoltan from being attacked by a group of humans is pretty simple but helping an Elf Scioa'tel who was leading humans to their deaths in a cave filled with monsters and squirrels isn't. That's something Bioware doesn't make me do is think of my decisions because there always only 2 paragon/renegade option. Good or bad decision. Witcher 2 has major decisions happening a lot. Do I give a sword to Iorverth or knock him out, do I help Saskia or Henselt, do I help Maelena. With our consequences playing out later it adds to the pressue of what should I do.

[Lumikki]

Dariuszp wrote...

So you tell me that CDPR should make another stupid, hollow "hero" ?

YES

Of course I don't mean hollow, but it's seem to be only way to make some people understand.

Without ability customize you character as player likes, you don't have good RPG at all, you have adventure game. Meaning pre-define character what can't be customized, equals adventure game. I don't see much different between Geralt and Lara Croft, both are exreme characters. Where player is forced to play the game only way possible without any choises in character at all. Lara shoots pistols and Geralt swings sword.

Modifié par Lumikki, 02 juin 2011 - 06:58 .

[Chromie]

Lumikki wrote...

Dariuszp wrote...

So you tell me that CDPR should make another stupid, hollow "hero" ?

YES

Of course I don't mean hollow, but it's seem to be only way to make some people understand.
Without ability customize you character as player likes, you don't have good RPG at all, you have adventure game.

This coming from someone who thinks Tomb Raider is an rpg.

[Lumikki]

Ringo12 wrote...

This coming from someone who thinks Tomb Raider is an rpg.

Where have I sayed that? Try read my posts again.

[Krusty84]

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[Realmzmaster]

There is nothing inherent in either of the Witcher games that forbids a customizable Witcher. The Witcher world still exists and the new Witcher becomes the center character unless the author did not allow for the change.
If that is the case then you have copyright issues. If the author retained artistic control over the games then whatever the author wants has to be adhered.
CDProjeckt decide to go with the set character. I guess eventually CDProjeckt will get around to why Geralt is back from the dead.

[MDT1]

Lumikki wrote...

Dariuszp wrote...

So you tell me that CDPR should make another stupid, hollow "hero" ?

YES

Of course I don't mean hollow, but it's seem to be only way to make some people understand.

Without ability customize you character as player likes, you don't have good RPG at all, you have adventure game. Meaning pre-define character what can't be customized, equals adventure game. I don't see much different between Geralt and Lara Corft, both are exreme characters. Where player is forced to play the game only way possible without any choises in character at all. Lara shoots pistols and Geralt swings sword.

I see a difference between character customisation and appereance customization.
The first form of cutomizationis far more important to me (decisions etc.) and very present in TW2.
Though I surely agree that full appereance customization often helps and is generally  a valuable feature.
Da2 feels like I can customize my appereance to a certain extend but not my character.

Modifié par MDT1, 02 juin 2011 - 07:02 .

[Zjarcal]

MDT1 wrote...
I see a difference between character customisation and appereance customization.
The first one is far more important to me (decisions etc.).
Though I surely agree that full appereance customization often helps and is generally  a valuable feature.

I agree there, they are different things. But for some people getting the appearance just right, is very important. Not so different from those that feel that having a voice that isn't what you had in mind already takes away from your personal character.

I will say though, I do most of my "character customization" internally. Most games don't really let you show every side of you character's personality, so a lot of that is just in my head. It has been like that in pretty much every Bioware game.