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[Vogga]

FiachSidhe wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

Valus wrote...

Complistic wrote...

I actually felt embarrassment for Bioware after playing through The Witcher 2.

Yeah... I actually thought I couldn't dislike DA2 more than I already did. Then I played TW2 a few times and then went back and tried to play DA2. Sure enough, literally unplayable by the standards set forth by CDPR.

It's important to stress that
we are not changing the underlying game vision. I think The Witcher 2
on Xbox will be one of the deepest, most non-linear and most mature
games ever released on any console. And since this is, in my opinion,
our core strength, changing it in order to suit a wider audience would
be an unforgivable mistake. We believe that there are lots of mature
console gamers looking for the type of deep, complex experience The
Witcher 2 offers.

....



Our goal was to keep the
PC specifics and take advantage of the most sophisticated hardware,
which - let's be honest – has left the current generation of consoles
far behind. The similar philosophy was described by DICE's general
manager, Karl Magnus Troedsson, on Battlefield 3.

Never change CDPR, never change.

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/love.png[/smilie]

You might want to go hang out on CDPR's forum then.

You might want to take up your own essay on civility and apply it to your persona.

[Maverick827]

Myounage wrote...

He has no personality, and nothing about him that says, "Hey, I'm Hawke"

My Hawke did, and therein lies the rub.

Geralt on the other hand is a strong character with an actual past and personality.

...and therein lies the rub.  Again.  This is exactly the problem some of us have with Geralt and the game.

Even if he shares similar motives to Hawke (his own interests, not "HURRDURR SAVIN TEH WORLDZ") The Witcher 2 makes his issues a lot more relatable and pressing.

I have a hard time believing you played DA2 at all if you think the game's story involved "saving the world" in the slightest.

Basically, Hawke being a fixed character contributes nothing to the game.

But Hawke is not a fixed character, Geralt is.

[Dariuszp]

So ? I like customization but if you ask me if i should take hollow Hawk you is not even interesting or well known character with deep background and long story before he was in game - what do you think i will take ?
That "rise to power" was made ****ty. I remember Fable rise to power There you got simple games that was like fairy tale but at the end when your character was old and strong - you did feel something about it.
Here i feel nothing. Empty.

As I say before. If you want your own character - make choices my own. Make his look my own and TURN OF HIS VOICE. I dont want to hear it. I'M SAYING ALL THIS in theory. In DAO i like my character a little. Still chocies and consequences are just poor.
In DA II i got someone who can in any second turn gay (in character creation they should add option - male / female (normal or sick [gay]). Talk something else that i want with voice that i dont like and you tell me that Geralt is bad

[Chromie]

FiachSidhe wrote...

You might want to go hang out on CDPR's forum then.

Nope. This is a Hawke verus Geralt thread after all. Maybe you should ignore post that you don't like because it disagrees with your opinion.

I agree with Myounage  completely. Hawke is hollow. Doesn't react to his/her own decisions or even affect anyone yet we end up helping everyone else but it always leads to the same resolution. 

Modifié par Ringo12, 03 juin 2011 - 09:28 .

[Maverick827]

Dariuszp wrote...

So ? I like customization but if you ask me if i should take hollow Hawk you is not even interesting or well known character with deep background and long story before he was in game - what do you think i will take ?
That "rise to power" was made ****ty. I remember Fable rise to power There you got simple games that was like fairy tale but at the end when your character was old and strong - you did feel something about it.
Here i feel nothing. Empty.

As I say before. If you want your own character - make choices my own. Make his look my own and TURN OF HIS VOICE. I dont want to hear it. I'M SAYING ALL THIS in theory. In DAO i like my character a little. Still chocies and consequences are just poor.
In DA II i got someone who can in any second turn gay (in character creation they should add option - male / female (normal or sick [gay]). Talk something else that i want with voice that i dont like and you tell me that Geralt is bad

It is very, very difficult to understand what you're saying.

[Sutekh]

Dariuszp wrote...
So ? I like customization but if you ask me if i should take hollow Hawk you is not even interesting or well known character with deep background and long story before he was in game - what do you think i will take ?

A game character should stand on his own, not rely on previous work made on other media, unless it's a very famous, worldwide known character, such as Darth Vador or Batman. Which is not Geralt's case at all.

In short, I rest my case.

In DA II i got someone who can in any second turn gay (in character creation they should add option - male / female (normal or sick [gay]). Talk something else that i want with voice that i dont like and you tell me that Geralt is bad

Oh Maker.

Offensive, much? Was that necessary to get your point across?

You do know you can have a totally heterosexual Hawke, don't you? No-one is forcing that on you, while I can't choose when playing Geralt, but I understand this because it's a fixed character.

Which, btw, Hawke isn't. That's the whole damn point.

As for your other points, they're kinda moot, because, in the end, it is all a frikking MATTER OF TASTES AND PERCEPTION. Sorry you can't seem to understand that. But then again, you seem to have a problem with differences, so...

Ringo12 wrote...
Nope. This is a Hawke verus Geralt thread after all. Maybe you should ignore post that you don't like because it disagrees with your opinion.

Hawke vs. Geralt isn't DA2 vs. The Witcher. It would be a nice change if some people could avoid derailing systematically. Just saying.

[Myounage]

Sutekh wrote...
A game character should stand on his own, not rely on previous work made on other media, unless it's a very famous, worldwide known character, such as Darth Vador or Batman. Which is not Geralt's case at all.

Apparently Darth Vader isn't as famous as we all thought.

That being said, The Witcher books are very popular in Europe.

[Sutekh]

Myounage wrote...

Sutekh wrote...
A game character should stand on his own, not rely on previous work made on other media, unless it's a very famous, worldwide known character, such as Darth Vador or Batman. Which is not Geralt's case at all.

Apparently Darth Vader isn't as famous as we all thought.

Duh. Vader. "Vador" is the way it's spelled here. *is embarrassed* (Actually, it's Dark Vador. Yeah, I know.)

That being said, The Witcher books are very popular in Europe.

I live in Europe (Western), and fantasy (high or low) is my favorite genre. I can assure you "The Witcher" isn't as popular as Vader, even in the fantasy-reading circles. As of now, in my country, it's incredibly difficult to find the books either in bookshops or the internet, because it's still very confidential. The original language being Polish (as opposed to English, which is more common as a second language) doesn't help, too. Actually, it has gained fame because of the game, not the other way around.

[FiachSidhe]

Vogga wrote...

FiachSidhe wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

Valus wrote...

Complistic wrote...

I actually felt embarrassment for Bioware after playing through The Witcher 2.

Yeah... I actually thought I couldn't dislike DA2 more than I already did. Then I played TW2 a few times and then went back and tried to play DA2. Sure enough, literally unplayable by the standards set forth by CDPR.

It's important to stress that
we are not changing the underlying game vision. I think The Witcher 2
on Xbox will be one of the deepest, most non-linear and most mature
games ever released on any console. And since this is, in my opinion,
our core strength, changing it in order to suit a wider audience would
be an unforgivable mistake. We believe that there are lots of mature
console gamers looking for the type of deep, complex experience The
Witcher 2 offers.

....



Our goal was to keep the
PC specifics and take advantage of the most sophisticated hardware,
which - let's be honest – has left the current generation of consoles
far behind. The similar philosophy was described by DICE's general
manager, Karl Magnus Troedsson, on Battlefield 3.

Never change CDPR, never change.

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/love.png[/smilie]

You might want to go hang out on CDPR's forum then.

You might want to take up your own essay on civility and apply it to your persona.

Feel free to PM me all about how badly my "essay" touched that nerve of yours.
Or you can prove that "essay" wrong.
The choice is yours.

[Chromie]

FiachSidhe wrote...

Feel free to PM me all about how badly my "essay" touched that nerve of yours.
Or you can prove that "essay" wrong.
The choice is yours.

"
Feel free to PM me all about how badly my "essay" touched that nerve of yours.
Or you can prove that "essay" wrong.
The choice is yours. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]" 

[FiachSidhe]

Ringo12 wrote...

FiachSidhe wrote...

You might want to go hang out on CDPR's forum then.

Nope. This is a Hawke verus Geralt thread after all. Maybe you should ignore post that you don't like because it disagrees with your opinion.

I agree with Myounage  completely. Hawke is hollow. Doesn't react to his/her own decisions or even affect anyone yet we end up helping everyone else but it always leads to the same resolution. 

Comparing characters =/= splooging over quotes by a different company, as you passive aggresively give the finger to another. Maybe you should learn the difference.
Maybe you should learn how to present your opinion in a way, that doesn't insult the very people giving you a forum to express said opinion. Otherwise this thread is fine, and I have no problem with comparing the two characters.

If you don't like Hawke, that's cool. However posting things like "CDPR never change!" as a snide, slight against the company whose boards are currently kind enough to let you advertise other games on, is pretty low, even for one of you haters.

I could ignore you, but I've chosen not to, something you should be prepared for as you post said opinion in a public place. Just like you can ignore what I write. You clearly chose not to. You can also choose not to spend so much time on forum for a game you decided was crap months ago.

There are plenty of people whose compaints are presented on this site in constructive ways, that I agree with and support. Don't try to pretend you're one of those people.

[Chromie]

FiachSidhe wrote...
You can also choose not to spend so much time on forum for a game you decided was crap months ago.

I like DA2. I have said this before. 

Modifié par Ringo12, 04 juin 2011 - 12:09 .

[Valus]

FiachSidhe wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

Valus wrote...

Complistic wrote...

I actually felt embarrassment for Bioware after playing through The Witcher 2.

Yeah... I actually thought I couldn't dislike DA2 more than I already did. Then I played TW2 a few times and then went back and tried to play DA2. Sure enough, literally unplayable by the standards set forth by CDPR.

It's important to stress that
we are not changing the underlying game vision. I think The Witcher 2
on Xbox will be one of the deepest, most non-linear and most mature
games ever released on any console. And since this is, in my opinion,
our core strength, changing it in order to suit a wider audience would
be an unforgivable mistake. We believe that there are lots of mature
console gamers looking for the type of deep, complex experience The
Witcher 2 offers.

....



Our goal was to keep the
PC specifics and take advantage of the most sophisticated hardware,
which - let's be honest – has left the current generation of consoles
far behind. The similar philosophy was described by DICE's general
manager, Karl Magnus Troedsson, on Battlefield 3.

Never change CDPR, never change.

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/love.png[/smilie]

You might want to go hang out on CDPR's forum then.

We can't. Witcher 2 forums are not up and running yet. CDPR told us we should feel free to hang out here and talk about how cool their game is though.

[Valus]

Sutekh wrote...

I live in Europe (Western), and fantasy (high or low) is my favorite genre. I can assure you "The Witcher" isn't as popular as Vader, even in the fantasy-reading circles. As of now, in my country, it's incredibly difficult to find the books either in bookshops or the internet, because it's still very confidential. The original language being Polish (as opposed to English, which is more common as a second language) doesn't help, too. Actually, it has gained fame because of the game, not the other way around.

Yeah, I was living in eastern Germany when I first played Witcher 1 and immediately started raving about it with my German coworkers who are mostly avid gamers. Most didn't even know it was based upon a series of novels and none had ever read them. In fact never met one person aside from myself who read any or the source material in my 4 years there.

[Realmzmaster]

Valus wrote...

FiachSidhe wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

Valus wrote...

Complistic wrote...

I actually felt embarrassment for Bioware after playing through The Witcher 2.

Yeah... I actually thought I couldn't dislike DA2 more than I already did. Then I played TW2 a few times and then went back and tried to play DA2. Sure enough, literally unplayable by the standards set forth by CDPR.

It's important to stress that
we are not changing the underlying game vision. I think The Witcher 2
on Xbox will be one of the deepest, most non-linear and most mature
games ever released on any console. And since this is, in my opinion,
our core strength, changing it in order to suit a wider audience would
be an unforgivable mistake. We believe that there are lots of mature
console gamers looking for the type of deep, complex experience The
Witcher 2 offers.

....



Our goal was to keep the
PC specifics and take advantage of the most sophisticated hardware,
which - let's be honest – has left the current generation of consoles
far behind. The similar philosophy was described by DICE's general
manager, Karl Magnus Troedsson, on Battlefield 3.

Never change CDPR, never change.

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/love.png[/smilie]

You might want to go hang out on CDPR's forum then.

We can't. Witcher 2 forums are not up and running yet. CDPR told us we should feel free to hang out here and talk about how cool their game is though.

Their forum is still not up. It has been a long time. I have seen houses built or remodeled in less time.

[Valus]

Realmzmaster wrote...

Their forum is still not up. It has been a long time. I have seen houses built or remodeled in less time.

Yeah...it is a little lame. However they are pretty cool about it by getting on practically daily and letting the community know exactly what they are doing and why. They actually post stuff like "We're really sorry but we tried X but it screwed up Y so we had to start over". It's amazing what kind of positive feedback such honest self-incriminating responses get instead of just declaring "It will be done when it's done" and trying vainly to shield the world from it's obvious failures.

[Chromie]

Realmzmaster wrote...

Their forum is still not up. It has been a long time. I have seen houses built or remodeled in less time.

I have seen games developed in less time *cough DA2 cough*

[Dermain]

Valus wrote...

We can't. Witcher 2 forums are not up and running yet. CDPR told us we should feel free to hang out here and talk about how cool their game is though.

While our forums are down we encourage you to discuss The Witcher 2 on other message boards like Neogaf and GoG.com.

So nice to see that you can't read, or perhaps you're just dyslexic.

[contextual_entity]

This is a bit of a strawman as the goals of the characterisation in each game is different.

The Witcher's Geralt is an established character, there was never intended to be any customisation in the character beyond choosing between how idealistic or pragmatic Geralt acts (which is actually a theme of the series, dealing with Geralts cynical pragmatism and well hidden idealism) and how he approaches combat.

DA:O on the other hand was praised for it's diverse customisation in it's character creator, especially with it's origin stories where players could create their own character.

DA2's Hawke however is a new, unique, preset character from a series that previously left character choice  almost completely to the player. It's a strange middle ground of customisation, being left with a rough framework and then simply choosing appearance and tone, that a lot of players didn't appriciate.

Personally I can't decide whether Hawke is my character of not, or if was ever intended to be at that. Geralt was never intended to be, it's more like allowing the player their take on Sapkowsk's character.

Intent counts for a great deal, I think, and DA2s intentions feel decidely muddled.

[zsom]

@KiddDaBeauty

It's the choices, nothing else.
The choices in TW are important, complicated, and almost always difficult. Not black&white, good vs. evil like in DA. In DA you had maybe three choices like this:
- the dark ritual
- Loghain
- choosing a faction at the end in DA2

In TW Geralt makes choices which actually change the world. Not necessarily for the better or for the worse, but you see consequences. You feel involved because at certain points in the game it's up to you to decide how the plot will continue.

The gender, hair style or class of the main protagonist is really not that important.

On a side note, ME did this rather well too.

[Lumikki]

zsom wrote...

In TW Geralt makes choices which actually change the world. Not necessarily for the better or for the worse, but you see consequences. You feel involved because at certain points in the game it's up to you to decide how the plot will continue.

The gender, hair style or class of the main protagonist is really not that important.

But isn't what's important based what player wants from the game?

Some poeple value alot of ability change the world around them.
Some people value alot of ability customise they combat abilities how they like it.
and so on..

There isn't just one way to please players. How ever, if you take off what some people value, then those people may have issues with it. Example if someone values a lot gender, hair style or class in main charcater and there is none to choose, that can be issue for that player. What I have sayed, just because someone is fine, doesn't mean everyone else is fine with it.

Modifié par Lumikki, 04 juin 2011 - 01:44 .

[zsom]

Lumikki wrote...
But isn't what's important based what player wants from the game?

Some poeple value alot of ability change the world around them.
Some people value alot of ability customise they combat abilities how they like it.
and so on..

There isn't just one way to please players. How ever, if you take off what some people value, then those people may have issues with it. Example if someone values a lot gender, hair style or class in main charcater and there is none to choose, that can be issue for that player. What I have sayed, just because someone is fine, doesn't mean everyone else is fine with it.

Sure, I agree. I'm not saying that you shouldn't like Hawk, or that you can't identify with him. I was just pointing out that Geralt's story also has ways of pulling you in. It can get you involved in spite of the main character's fixed appearance.

[Lumikki]

zsom wrote...

I was just pointing out that Geralt's story also has ways of pulling you in. It can get you involved in spite of the main character's fixed appearance.

First I don't disagree, I just say this to make a point, how something is related perspective what people value.

I was just pointing out that Hawke as character has way of pulling you in. It can get you involved in spite of the main story been so fixed without much of choises.

Ps: Geralt isn't just fixed appearance, it's also fixed (class) gameplay.

Modifié par Lumikki, 04 juin 2011 - 04:36 .

[Chromie]

Hawke never pulled me in. Hawke didn't really seem to care what happened his/her mom's death is just another thing that didn't bug him.

[Lumikki]

Ringo12 wrote...

Hawke never pulled me in. Hawke didn't really seem to care what happened his/her mom's death is just another thing that didn't bug him.

That wasn't my point. Point is that for some Hawke just doesn't do it, for some else Geralt just doesn't do it, because these people are wanting something else from they characters what isn't there. Point been, don't expect that what worked and not worked for you, will be same for everyone else.