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[Merced652]

I uhhh... don't see where all this emotion and character development poured from Hawke. I empathized with Shep wayyyyy more than Hawke and that was with atrocious paraphrase and two RP paths from both ME games. I nearly puke every time someone suggests he was really "their" character or that the story was somehow engaging. The story could've been if it weren't so erratic and we were actually presented with some meaningful choices. Also, for future reference. If you're going to import saves, please do them some mother ****ing justice.

[BomimoDK]

They have a lot in common. Both use the same narrative frame to tell half a story in order to set up an even larger sequel later on. Both contain a set character, though TW2 offers better roleplaying than DA2 does. The similarities end at the surface, from where TW2 outdoes DA2 technically, contentwise and qualitywise. Everything is subjective, not everyone will think TW2 is good, a lot of people hate it actually. I loved it. It's been ages since i got to speak to beings of lesser intelligence in Fantasy and NOT have to kill it. Those trolls are cute. Reminds me of that Ghast from BG1.

[Luvinn]

SavesTheDay wrote...

How similar is the Witcher to Dragon Age? I haven't played it, but I've noticed that people on this forum make a lot comparisons between the games.

Its similar in the time frame of the games. Fantasy background, fighting dragons/monsters. Swords, shields, magic and all that jazz. Its pretty different as far as gameplay though. Combat and whatnot. If you're more interested in story over combat, than TW1 is a good place to start (think its 5 bucks on gog.com). It will give you a good backstory into TW2. I think the story was its strong point, plus the world felt more realistic than the DA world. The combat system was one of the major complaints about TW1, but i enjoyed it none the less. They are both fun series in their own rights however.

Bottom line, if you're an RPG fan, get both games. Why limit yourself!

Modifié par Luvinn, 24 mai 2011 - 12:22 .

[Chiramu]

"I don't feel Hawke is my character" yeah she's not enough of a smartass XD.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Elhanan wrote...

Aargh12 wrote...

So you do not like seeing people "going on like rabbits", but you like them killing each other in different, very brutal manner?  

This world has gone mad.

It embraces the use of cameras to simulate sex and voyeurism, and brags immaturely to the world on looking up skirts and down the cleavage of a SIM character in a game. They make and post pics of SIM characters writhing about to stumlate their lack of imaginations, and complain like the elitists they are when the characters remain clothed; demanding free Toolsets to be able to make the SIM's themselves.

How is that a bad thing? The women get to see a bit of Geralt too...

Modifié par JabbaDaHutt30, 24 mai 2011 - 01:03 .

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Elhanan wrote...

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Not much more you can expect from someone with two crafting ingredients in his head: elixir of defence, band of mediocrity.

At least I have two....

I doubt it. 

[JabbaDaHutt30]

SavesTheDay wrote...

How similar is the Witcher to Dragon Age? I haven't played it, but I've noticed that people on this forum make a lot comparisons between the games.

Not similar at all.

[ZenoX]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Fixed class: Only the Witcher, not in DA2

That's a bit wrong. In The Witcher there are plenty of attributes, abilities and spells to spend points on which gives you countless of different options that can change the way you play the game. The Witcher's system is a bit different compared to DA2 where you can pick and choose what suits you best from a variety of options.
Oblivion is like this too, you choose the stuff you'd like to use the
most... and level it up so it becomes your own specialization.

While in Dragon Age 2 it's actually a bit more restricted in that you have to pick a class. When you pick one class out of the three (Mage, Warrior, Rogue) you can only customize it as far as that class allows you. Origins had some cool ways of specializing your character so that it changed the gameplay style significantly, but Dragon Age 2 was a bit more restricted in that area.


I've only played the first Witcher and am not familiar with the second game's leveling system though, but I expect that it's simalar to the first.

[KnightofPhoenix]

ZenoX wrote...
While in Dragon Age 2 it's actually a bit more restricted in that you have to pick a class. When you pick one class out of the three (Mage, Warrior, Rogue) you can only customize it as far as that class allows you. Origins had some cool ways of specializing your character so that it changed the gameplay style significantly, but Dragon Age 2 was a bit more restricted in that area.

To be fair, on the otherhand DA:O and DA2 had companions that you could also customize, thus had a lot of flexibility in the team you're using.

So both systems make sense in their specific context.

[MikeP999]

Aargh12 wrote...

I will tell you - TW2 gives you way more freedom in doing things than DA2. Plus Geralt is a better character than Hawke.

/thread

My opinions:

Dragon Age 2

Combat - fantastic skill animations [i.e. 2 handed sword builds]  The game shines in this department.
Voice talent - satisfactory
Musical score - satisfactory
Sound effects - quite enjoyable.  Most skill selections seem to have some pretty cool sounds
Character interaction - enjoyable / humourous
Keyboard / skill layout - works for me, no complaints
Story development - quite good in my opinion
Environments - recycled, simplified, an unfortunate let down.  Kirkwall feels somewhat stale. Visuals are a mix of satisfactory/decent/weak depending on the area in question
Extras - spend time at the **** house?
Stability - occasional crash to desktop, many bugs/glitches prior to patch, still are some present.
Overall - I'm still in the middle of a 2nd playthrough as a mage. - really enjoying the experience. There have been quite a few challenging moments making it satisfying to play through.

The Witcher 2:

Combat - satisfactory, although could use some work for sometimes unresponsive key presses.
Voice talent - very well done
Musical score - extremely enjoyable, from orchestral to enya-esque, really sets the mood for me
Sound effects - satisfactory for combat/signs/bombs/traps, excellent for wildlife
Character interaction - enjoyable/humourous. Although not as deep as Dragon Age: Origins
Keyboard / skill layout - could use some work, appears all set to go for consoles yet somewhat awkward for PC
Story development - excellent, really feel the desire to accomplish meaningful side quests and main quests.
Environments - One word: alive!  Here's where the game shines.  The towns/forest just feel active and pleasant to roam around. The visuals/shear details are stunning. 
Extras - dice poker, arm wrestling, fist fights, **** house - quite nice diversions
Stability - I haven't had one crash to desktop yet,nor freeze ups, knock on wood.  Some stability issues re: crossfire, yet there are workarounds until ATI puts out official profile.  The game is quite taxing on med - high computer systems thus far. 
Overall - I'm nearing the end of Act 1.  There have been a few challenging 'boss' moments thus far.  Very enjoyable experience.

Quite unusal these days to see a retail package like Witcher 2.  I picked it up at Walmart.  The large package contained:  2 game dvds, 1 'making of game' dvd, 1 musical score cd [22-23 songs/tracks], 1 healthy sized user manual, 1 indepth game guide, 1 pull out double-sided map, some goofy letter and goofy paper dolls.  Oh, free DLC as well.  An unusual move, perhaps to gain loyalty of new consumers.  Remains to be seen quality of upcoming dlc, yet a nice gesture nonetheless.  Price was competitive @ $49.99. 

As you can see, I'm enjoying both games yet for different reasons.  DA2 combat is still sexy in my eyes, TW2 environments/music/voiceovers scream of quality.

If you want in-your-face combat, I would suggest Mount & Blade: Warband.  There's nothing quite like it and that's where that game shines.  If I could toss together elements of all 3 games into 1 game, that would be the sexiest thing since sliced bread.

Modifié par MikeP999, 24 mai 2011 - 01:37 .

[Morroian]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

SavesTheDay wrote...

How similar is the Witcher to Dragon Age? I haven't played it, but I've noticed that people on this forum make a lot comparisons between the games.

Not similar at all.

Exactly which is why the either/or comparisons are meaningless and don't help either game.

[Morroian]

Merced652 wrote...

I uhhh... don't see where all this emotion and character development poured from Hawke. I empathized with Shep wayyyyy more than Hawke and that was with atrocious paraphrase and two RP paths from both ME games.

Maybe other issues you had with the game prevented immersion. IMHO the dialogue, voice acting and paraphrasing in DA2 was signficantly better in DA2 than ether ME game.

[Ottemis]

Asmuch as I adored the ME line, hell it's my favorite two games, I can relate more to Hawke for all the crap flung at her/him.
As said before, it's a much closer to home kinda thing. It feels (asmuch as it can in a fantasy video-game) real. That includes the feeling of helpless-ness and depression from sometimes not being able to change things for the better.

That's not everyone's cup of tea though, clearly.

[Kidd]

tariq071 wrote...

P.S. @Elhanan

i gather you can't watch most of the HBO programme because it's insulting to your views, right ?

I think that's pretty rude to say, don't you?

I know I feel quite similarly. Dialogue is dialogue, and character is character. Isabela is a very sexual person for instance, so it's not like I feel weirded out when she speaks the way she does. It just makes me laugh =) In the same way, pursuing love interests of either sexual orientation develops my character, their character and our mutual story. It's very interesting. However I do not see what I would get out of seeing pixel genitalia (or other "erotic" body parts) by themselves. To me, that can only serve to titilate, and I'm not here to be titilated.

When I see tv shows with immense amounts of blood and nudity in them, I don't feel like I'm watching a show made for adults who want mature plot lines and writing. Instead I feel like I'm watching a mature rated film that is really intended to sell well to the young teenager crowd who giggles a lot at all the "awesome sex and blood", feeling all cool cause they're watching things that they shouldn't be watching.

But that's how I feel and I realise I might very well be missing something that is important for others. Different strokes for different people and I do not judge. Just can't help the way I feel when I see something. So similarly to how I may not understand what seeing nudity brings to a game and I do not judge, you should not judge me and Elhanan as some kind of easily offended people. We just have different tastes from you and react differently to the same kind of content.

Anyway, this is really kind of off topic. I just didn't like seeing him get flamed like that =)

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Actually no, the Witcher has 3 classes or "paths" and gives you the flexibility to mix and match.

Cool, I didn't know. I'll edit my original post =)

[lobi]

I am going to go and make another sandwich.

[Rigeth]

After a long and hard struggle, trying to get to the end of this mass of name calling and occasional snippets of argument (of relevance to the topic). I have come to the very end of this thread (for now).

From what I have observed, it's been mostly a small group stating that their personal opinions are pure fact made of gold and try to belittle and mock anyone that doesn't share their narrow view.
The most complaints seems to be focused on that Hawkes choices doesn't really matter in the game and that TW:s choices change EVERYTHING!.
Sadly the controls of TW1 completely killed the game for me, same as with NWN1.

When you view DA:O and DA2, where is the story centered? It is centered about the world itself.
It's not so much about that Hawke or the Warden, it's about what happened to the world.
Think of it as a bards tale if you wish, everyone knows about "The last straw", however why did it happen, what events led up to that point?
None of the books focus on the warden, or Hawk. They all have their own characters and their own stories, stories which shape the world.

For me, the game started out quite nicely with the setting "This is your tale, what do you want to do?". Of course there are a lot of people who disagrees with this particular mindset, by all means; flame away. The plot line was already set in stone on both DA:O and DA2, the Arch demon will die, you will be a champion of Kirkwall. But all the different events and hurdles throw at you along the way where never really seen and/or expected until you reached the climax. I was honestly shocked when "The Last Straw" unfolded and the moral standing I was forced to take.
I made my character to look similar to myself, and always picked choices that would reflect my own. Unfortunatly, with my name being Tony. A Mr. Tony Hawke, was strolling around Kirkwall, impaling himself every now and then.

As a final note, to all of you whom loath the voiced protagonist; I'd like to quote Portal.
"You horrible, mute, monster."

[SkittlesKat96]

Aargh12 wrote...

I will tell you - TW2 gives you way more freedom in doing things than DA2. Plus Geralt is a better character than Hawke.

/thread

I liked Hawke and Geralt but I think I like Hawke a little bit more than Geralt, really it's up to personal opinion though. Some people find Geralt's dialog to be awful and think he's a misogynist douche lol. Then people have their reasons for hating Hawke too.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Rigeth wrote...
When you view DA:O and DA2, where is the story centered? It is centered about the world itself.
It's not so much about that Hawke or the Warden, it's about what happened to the world.

I would buy into that, if the world didn't look and feel lifeless and completely unresponsive to the PC's actions / choices.

Other than a Templar statue, lifeless souless Kirkwall doesn't change one bit in a time span of 7 years.

As it stands, I am more interested in the Witcher's world, in large part because the world feels alive and is responsive to Geralt's choices (recycled models of course remains a problem that ought to be fixed).

[Perles75]

SavesTheDay wrote...

How similar is the Witcher to Dragon Age? I haven't played it, but I've noticed that people on this forum make a lot comparisons between the games.

They are both RPGs. And that's more or less all.

[Chromie]

Morroian wrote...

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

SavesTheDay wrote...

How similar is the Witcher to Dragon Age? I haven't played it, but I've noticed that people on this forum make a lot comparisons between the games.

Not similar at all.

Exactly which is why the either/or comparisons are meaningless and don't help either game.

They are very very similar. Both have fixed protaginist. Sure you can change Hawke to your image but Hawke is still Hawke.

The only real difference is one has squad based combat the other is a tactical action based rpg. Also the decisions in Witcher 2 actual change the game such as a completely different environement you get to quest in with different quests and npcs. I have yet to see Bioware do something like that.

[KeyStroke]

Oloria wrote...

IAlso, a slightly off-topic question, if anyone cares to indulge me. I get that Geralt is a fixed protaganist, based on a book series, so he also presumably already has a "canon" personality as written by the author? How much does the RP (in either TW1 or TW2) allow you to re-define his personality? Or is it only his actions and how they affect the world you have control over?

One thing that I remember having a problem with in TW1, was one of the early encounters with Triss (possible spoilers follow). Geralt had amnesia, so Triss was effectively a stranger to him, yet Triss clearly had feelings for him due to their past. I recall a couple of dialogue options, one being "nice" and one being a bit of an arse. I tend to like nice PCs as my first playthrough, so I chose the first, and to my surprise ended up sleeping with her. I was puzzled as to how that action was really the nice one, given it felt a lot like taking advantage.

So I started to get the impression that it simply isn't possible to RP a "nice" Geralt - that he has to be a bit of an arse - perhaps because he is in the books? I'm fine with flawed characters as a whole (in fact I prefer them), but this particular character flaw felt a little forced upon me; it isn't one I'd choose as a trait for my PC myself. Maybe I judged too early in the game, but after that I found it hard to re-evaluate Geralt's personality.

There is enough choices to go around for Geralt to be what "you" want him to be. In particular this is very true for TW2. If you feel like being a a good fellow, you can play Geralt as one, if you want to play him as a sinister badass you can do that as well. The outcome of your decisions help you shape the world you play in.

As for wimen and sex and all that, you as a player chose what your PC (Geralt) will do, but from birdseye view on it all, Geralt is a man as any other man. Probably might end up sound like a sexist pig now, but in that time and setting, if woman offer some comfort, why decline? The world is brutal enough as it is.
 
I played just about any RPG game on the PC ever since the SSI goldbox days. There is very few rpgs I enjoyed more than the witcher series. Sure I can't micro manage how the PC will look and sound, but you can shape the world you play in with the decisions you make, and consequences of your actions. 

I haven't read the books about Geralt, so I have no imersion of how the character was before playing the games. A good chance would be I viewed him in another light. Similar to films based on books usually end up a utter disapointment.

Modifié par KeyStroke, 24 mai 2011 - 07:52 .

[KeyStroke]

Btw, for those saying that you can't chose class and such in TW2, you do so through your skill tree and development of your character. No such "you can't use this sword because you are not a warrior" crap either.

[Chromie]

KeyStroke wrote...

Oloria wrote...

IAlso, a slightly off-topic question, if anyone cares to indulge me. I get that Geralt is a fixed protaganist, based on a book series, so he also presumably already has a "canon" personality as written by the author? How much does the RP (in either TW1 or TW2) allow you to re-define his personality? Or is it only his actions and how they affect the world you have control over?

One thing that I remember having a problem with in TW1, was one of the early encounters with Triss (possible spoilers follow). Geralt had amnesia, so Triss was effectively a stranger to him, yet Triss clearly had feelings for him due to their past. I recall a couple of dialogue options, one being "nice" and one being a bit of an arse. I tend to like nice PCs as my first playthrough, so I chose the first, and to my surprise ended up sleeping with her. I was puzzled as to how that action was really the nice one, given it felt a lot like taking advantage.

So I started to get the impression that it simply isn't possible to RP a "nice" Geralt - that he has to be a bit of an arse - perhaps because he is in the books? I'm fine with flawed characters as a whole (in fact I prefer them), but this particular character flaw felt a little forced upon me; it isn't one I'd choose as a trait for my PC myself. Maybe I judged too early in the game, but after that I found it hard to re-evaluate Geralt's personality.

There is enough choices to go around for Geralt to be what "you" want him to be. In particular this is very true for TW2. If you feel like being a a good fellow, you can play Geralt as one, if you want to play him as a sinister badass you can do that as well. The outcome of your decisions help you shape the world you play in.

As for wimen and sex and all that, you as a player chose what your PC (Geralt) will do, but from birdseye view on it all, Geralt is a man as any other man. Probably might end up sound like a sexist pig now, but in that time and setting, if woman offer some comfort, why decline? The world is brutal enough as it is.
 
I played just about any RPG game on the PC ever since the SSI goldbox days. There is very few rpgs I enjoyed more than the witcher series. Sure I can't micro manage how the PC will look and sound, but you can shape the world you play in with the decisions you make, and consequences of your actions. 

I haven't read the books about Geralt, so I have no imersion of how the character was before playing the games. A good chance would be I viewed him in another light. Similar to films based on books usually end up a utter disapointment.

Kotaku on Witcher 2's sex scene
"It's not the energetic polygon sex, with its clumsy kisses and puppet-like
clashing of virtual skin on virtual skin. It's not entirely Geralt's brilliant
dialog (Mmmhmm). It's the fact that after the sexing begins, the story still
continues."

[Maverick827]

erynnar wrote...

Despite some people being tired of the "save the world from the evilist, evil evah," Tolkien and many many others are still literary. There are shelves lined with those kinds of fantasy books, so it isn't that DAO's story was not like literature or that it is a tired story.

Actually, two things:

First, Tolkien is widely regarded to be a pretty poor writer. He may be the father of the modern fantasy tale, one hell of a world builder, and a damn good philologist, but a great author he was not. He had huge issues with pacing (there's a reason why the movies entirely eschewed Tom Bombadil) and the quality of the actual rhetoric of the novels is highly debated. Tolkien is not quite a go-to when discussing literature as he is when discussing fantasi.

That brings us to point two (and I've probably spouted all of this literary mumbo-jumbo before): within the world of fiction, there exist two major camps: literary fiction and genre fiction. If I had to make an unnecessarily snarky analogy, I would have to say literary fiction : genre fiction :: PC gamers : console gamers, that is to say arrogant and self-righteous.

I was referring to literary fiction when I spoke of DA2. Literary fiction is considered "serious fiction" or "high-brow fiction," and is written by your favorite author's favorite author. These are the "classics," and are viewed by many to be strictly better than genre fiction, such as Lord of the Rings (fantasy), Star Wars (sci-fi), and Sherlock Holmes (mystery/detective).

I don't entirely agree with this. On one hand, this sort of mirrors the argument of "if you don't like an indie movie, then you just didn't get it, man." It presumes one thing out of many is better than the others, and the arguments of those who disagree should be disregarded because they don't count. That said, there is a noticeable difference between reading literary vs. genre fiction, and while I don't think one is better than the other, it was nice to have a game that I identified as "literary" for once.

Modifié par Maverick827, 24 mai 2011 - 09:53 .

[Mister_Shepard]

The Witcher 2 is a man's game.