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[Teh Blasta]

Being that this is the BioWare forums, how long until people start complaining about unreasonable computer requirements on Dragon Age III? But seriously, updating the already fine graphics again would just open a can of worms. I mean I honestly found the graphics in DAII better than most games in existence, however I have the High-Res pack, can run the game in Ultra and have SLI enabled. I'm going to take a stab in the dark and assume most people didn't/wouldn't/couldn't do the same with the rate of heavy sobs being present about DAII's graphical abilities.

[88mphSlayer]

guardian of hades wrote...

ShadyKat wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

Yeah, after TW, BW needs to be able to make cities/towns that are filled with life and a soul.

I still vote for a new engine, thats as scalable as the RED engine. Better yet, pay CD Projekt a boat load of money for their engine.

People keep using the Witcher as an example. Hell, Assassin Creed and Red Dead Redemption both have cities that feel alive, and are much more realistic than Dragon Age. And both games look great on consoles. The DA team simply need to put more effort into the series, and not half ass the 3rd game.

None of the games you brought up were party based, which causes limitations to the engine as you have to have unique animations for each character.

FFXIII, also The Witcher 2 is not party based but at times you do accompany various different companions through combat areas, not spoiling anything but if you goto Aerdin in Act 2 instead of the dwarven mines you get to fight a huge battle with 4 different companions who all have unique animations, on top of all the separate enemy classes with unique animations

[Kuroi Kenshi]

Teh Blasta wrote...

Being that this is the BioWare forums, how long until people start complaining about unreasonable computer requirements on Dragon Age III? But seriously, updating the already fine graphics again would just open a can of worms. I mean I honestly found the graphics in DAII better than most games in existence, however I have the High-Res pack, can run the game in Ultra and have SLI enabled. I'm going to take a stab in the dark and assume most people didn't/wouldn't/couldn't do the same with the rate of heavy sobs being present about DAII's graphical abilities.

That is one of the reasons we demand a engine swap, DAII demands a lot for what it shows, I have the same fps in crysis 2 high definition as I have in DAII in max settings (DX11 enabled) and the first one looks, I don’t know how many times, better, even Battlefield: BC2 with DX11 enabled runs the same as DAII and as a lot (really lot) more things happening on screen)
Also the game is not going to be released tomorrow so any change to another engine even one DX11 only (that would be the best decision both in terms of performance since DX11 can do more with less resources than DX9, and is more future proof) in 2-3 years, who, will not have a DX11 card? Also most engines are also adapted for consoles so that isn’t a big issue

Modifié par Kuroi Kenshi, 26 mai 2011 - 10:45 .

[Teh Blasta]

Kuroi Kenshi wrote...
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I'm not sure I'm following entirely. To me it sounds as though you want a more optimized Dragon Age, which I would have to respond by saying that this topic isn't exactly sounding like it is argueing that point. To me the bulk of the complaints come off as being directed towards the graphics not being good enough, not that the game is poorly optimized. I would agree somewhat about the issue of optimization itself if it effected my computer proformance in the least, but thankfully I can run anything at the highest settings.

[guardian of hades]

88mphSlayer wrote...

guardian of hades wrote...

ShadyKat wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

Yeah, after TW, BW needs to be able to make cities/towns that are filled with life and a soul.

I still vote for a new engine, thats as scalable as the RED engine. Better yet, pay CD Projekt a boat load of money for their engine.

People keep using the Witcher as an example. Hell, Assassin Creed and Red Dead Redemption both have cities that feel alive, and are much more realistic than Dragon Age. And both games look great on consoles. The DA team simply need to put more effort into the series, and not half ass the 3rd game.

None of the games you brought up were party based, which causes limitations to the engine as you have to have unique animations for each character.

FFXIII, also The Witcher 2 is not party based but at times you do accompany various different companions through combat areas, not spoiling anything but if you goto Aerdin in Act 2 instead of the dwarven mines you get to fight a huge battle with 4 different companions who all have unique animations, on top of all the separate enemy classes with unique animations

There are ways to improve the graphics such as the environments through the engines but it comes at the expense of something else due to limitations of the engine, lack of development time, etc.  thats all I'm saying.  You couldn't have Assassin's Creed as we know it with a party based system as something would have to be sacrificied in order for a party based system to happen.

[Kuroi Kenshi]

guardian of hades wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

guardian of hades wrote...

ShadyKat wrote...

neppakyo wrote...
Yeah, after TW, BW needs to be able to make cities/towns that are filled with life and a soul.
I still vote for a new engine, thats as scalable as the RED engine. Better yet, pay CD Projekt a boat load of money for their engine.

People keep using the Witcher as an example. Hell, Assassin Creed and Red Dead Redemption both have cities that feel alive, and are much more realistic than Dragon Age. And both games look great on consoles. The DA team simply need to put more effort into the series, and not half ass the 3rd game.

None of the games you brought up were party based, which causes limitations to the engine as you have to have unique animations for each character.

FFXIII, also The Witcher 2 is not party based but at times you do accompany various different companions through combat areas, not spoiling anything but if you goto Aerdin in Act 2 instead of the dwarven mines you get to fight a huge battle with 4 different companions who all have unique animations, on top of all the separate enemy classes with unique animations

There are ways to improve the graphics such as the environments through the engines but it comes at the expense of something else due to limitations of the engine, lack of development time, etc.  thats all I'm saying.  You couldn't have Assassin's Creed as we know it with a party based system as something would have to be sacrificied in order for a party based system to happen.

Having a party based system is that a big of an issue, yes it requires a little bit more resources but for example having a party of four is less demanding than a split screen multiplayer (off only two players)
The biggest problem with a party based system is the development of the characters traits, voices and other similar stuff, a party based system is more demanding to the scrip writer/sound department than it is for the game engine you’re the graphical programmers, they only have to do 3 more models on screen, I mean even the wii can do that witch a bad ass open world game (xenoblade)

Teh Blasta wrote...

Kuroi Kenshi wrote...
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I'm not sure I'm following entirely. To me it sounds as though you want a more optimized Dragon Age, which I would have to respond by saying that this topic isn't exactly sounding like it is argueing that point. To me the bulk of the complaints come off as being directed towards the graphics not being good enough, not that the game is poorly optimized. I would agree somewhat about the issue of optimization itself if it effected my computer proformance in the least, but thankfully I can run anything at the highest settings.

I know the discussion is much more focused on graphics and competitions with the wither 2, but it's true that that is not the only problem with the engine , there can even be much more problems or even reasons to switch\\don’t switch the engine, for example BioWare is much more accustomed working with proprietary software, and they will take time to adapt the work to a new engine, although most of us think that using the current engine is far less productive than losing a few mouths understanding how  to do the things they want to do with a new  and unfamiliar engine, off course BioWare could think otherwise, listening to the community as advantages but sometimes it’s better to ignore it, if they think the current engine is good enough it’s their decision, IMO i hope they switch engines but it’s not up to me or anyone in this forum.

Modifié par Kuroi Kenshi, 26 mai 2011 - 11:21 .

[kurtsquirt]

Dragon age 3 needs a climax between pc morrigan and flemmeth in some creative fullfilling way. Also cram it with esoteric stuff :-)

Modifié par kurtsquirt, 27 mai 2011 - 01:21 .

[ME_Fan]

I just saw those pictures Mike Laidlaw posted, they're probably for a dlc or something, but the screenshots look quite good, almost as if they've optimized the engine for it, because it looks better than actual game screenshots. Although I suppose it might be because those environments look quite interesting and different.

Modifié par ME_Fan, 27 mai 2011 - 03:27 .

[LPPrince]

I would be severely pissed if I ever saw Morrigan in DA2's aesthetic style.

There was nothing wrong with how DAO looked. Don't know why that was ditched.

I remember walking into Ostagar for the first time and being amazed. Just marveled.

Looking up at the Tower of Ishal and seeing the birds flying overhead was beautiful.

Never felt anything like that during DA2. On the contrary, I felt pissed when I saw how bad some of the returning DAO characters looked.

Oh Alistair, what the hell happened to you I'll never accept.

[Vena_86]

After playing Origins on high settings the last days and watching my rommmate playing The Witcher 2 yesterday I must say DA2 looks so incredible horrible, it would not even pass as a 2008 game.

[LPPrince]

Vena_86 wrote...

After playing Origins on high settings the last days and watching my rommmate playing The Witcher 2 yesterday I must say DA2 looks so incredible horrible, it would not even pass as a 2008 game.

By that logic it wouldn't pass as an 07 game, since Mass Effect is aesthetically superior.

[ME_Fan]

LPPrince wrote...

I would be severely pissed if I ever saw Morrigan in DA2's aesthetic style.

There was nothing wrong with how DAO looked. Don't know why that was ditched.

I remember walking into Ostagar for the first time and being amazed. Just marveled.

Looking up at the Tower of Ishal and seeing the birds flying overhead was beautiful.

Never felt anything like that during DA2. On the contrary, I felt pissed when I saw how bad some of the returning DAO characters looked.

Oh Alistair, what the hell happened to you I'll never accept.

I was disappointed when I saw the old crew Alistair, Zevran and Leliana as well as others like Bann Teagan. You would think that with Origins and DAII running on the same engine they could import the face models or something like that. Alistair looked bad, but Zev got the worst, no doubt.

And yes, Ostagar the day before the battle had a great atmosphere. I loved the music, you could hear dogs barking, soldiers on patrol, horns blowing in the camp, and smiths working the metal. Just beautiful.

Compare Kirkwall to Liberty City or Rome In ACB. Liberty City in GTA IV is the greatest technical achievement of this type. Liberty City is actually alive, and it looks much better too. If you watched any person on the street, you could see them living their lives, meeting friends, you could actually listen to them on their phone. There were literally hundreds of voice actors who recorded conversations which you could just hear on the street. Go into any bar and you will see drunk guys, any restaurant, people will be eating and talking. The beautiful Liberty City blew my mind. Kirkwall isn't the same.

Modifié par ME_Fan, 27 mai 2011 - 03:54 .

[Chromie]

LPPrince wrote...

Vena_86 wrote...

After playing Origins on high settings the last days and watching my rommmate playing The Witcher 2 yesterday I must say DA2 looks so incredible horrible, it would not even pass as a 2008 game.

By that logic it wouldn't pass as an 07 game, since Mass Effect is aesthetically superior.

Well I guess it doesn't. One of the big issues with the graphics. There isn't enough color. Look at Mario and Zelda games or Skyward Sword. Those games are not in HD yet they look great because of all the color. Dragon Age 2 is all bland. Brown and Red and some cases blue it's not pretty graphically or artisically. Look at El Shaddai that game so far looks gorgeous. It's like a painting. It doesn't have to have amazing graphics but come on.

Modifié par Ringo12, 27 mai 2011 - 03:46 .

[LPPrince]

Well, that's not entirely the fault of graphics. That's the aesthetic style of the game.

Which of course, I prefer DAO's by FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA *breathes heavily* AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR.

[LPPrince]

ME_Fan wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

I would be severely pissed if I ever saw Morrigan in DA2's aesthetic style.

There was nothing wrong with how DAO looked. Don't know why that was ditched.

I remember walking into Ostagar for the first time and being amazed. Just marveled.

Looking up at the Tower of Ishal and seeing the birds flying overhead was beautiful.

Never felt anything like that during DA2. On the contrary, I felt pissed when I saw how bad some of the returning DAO characters looked.

Oh Alistair, what the hell happened to you I'll never accept.

I was disappointed when I saw the old crew Alistair, Zevran and Leliana as well as others like Bann Teagan. You would think that with Origins and DAII running on the same engine they could import the face models or something like that. Alistair looked bad, but Zev got the worst, no doubt.

And yes, Ostagar the day before the battle had a great atmosphere. I loved the music, you could hear dogs barking, soldiers on patrol, horns blowing in the camp, and smiths working the metal. Just beautiful.

Compare Kirkwall to Liberty City or Rome In ACB. Liberty City in GTA IV is the greatest technical achievement of this type. Liberty City is actually alive, and it looks much better too. If you watched any person on the street, you could see them living their lives, meeting friends, actually listening to them on their phone. There were literally hundreds of voice actors who recorded conversations which you could just hear on the street. Go into any bar and you will see drunk guys, any restaurant, people will be eating and talking. The beautiful Liberty City blew my mind. Kirkwall isn't the same.

Rome in ACB is what Kirkwall should've been in DA2.

And gah, don't remind me. I might go back to DAO just to see good looking characters again.

Zevran looks like he acquired Downs syndrome.

Leliana looks alright. The best of the bunch but still not that great.

Alistair looks like some bashed his face in with a mallet for 5 years and he's just recovered.

Teagan looked alright but not great.

[ME_Fan]

Ringo12 wrote...

If they did Fade dream sequences in this style it might be interesting. Would have to see it, but it certainly seems like a dream. I actually quite like it, but only in the Fade, and with 3D rendered characters inside of course.

[Kuroi Kenshi]

They tried to create a unique aesthetic style for the franchise, and i can understand that, when you look to a mario game even if mario is not on screen you can say ,that is a mario game, in DA (and 90% off the bland shooter in the market) you can't do that, and they tried to change it, it failed, but that doesn't mean they have to stop trying, it didn't work very well, but you can do better a second time, show the community some (in game) art ask their opinion, in some matters having a bigger audience to expose your ideas can have great advantages, BioWare and EA (don't know you dictates the rules) should learn to treat customers like business pasterns instead of ATM's where they can go and get the cash for the next game.

Sometimes is better to not listen to what the comunity wants, as Henry Ford said "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said a faster horse.", instead you should ask why they want it

BTW, I extremely aprove of ME_fan ideia to make the fade a bit more stylized than the rest of the game

Modifié par Kuroi Kenshi, 27 mai 2011 - 04:08 .

[Chromie]

ME_Fan wrote...


If they did Fade dream sequences in this style it might be interesting. Would have to see it, but it certainly seems like a dream. I actually quite like it, but only in the Fade, and with 3D rendered characters inside of course.

El Shaddai is not all sidescroller i just picked those shots because I find them really great to look at.

Honestly I doubt we would ever see Bioware put in the work for a drastric change in art design for the Fade as great as that sounds.

[empetus]

It does, and badly.

But lets face it, DA 3 is going to be using the old engine, they need to squeeze as much money as they can from it and all the DLC before they *might* get a new engine to work with.

It will be interesting to see how DA 3 does in sales compared to DA:O and DA 2.  Not so good is my guess. Its hard to get excited about graphics from an ancient dinosaur engine.

[ScepticMatt]

I'd love to be surprised (in a good way), but I'm not holding my breath. I still think adapting Frostbite 2 could be a good idea. Wouldn't make a lot of sense without a cohesive art style, of course. I'd prefer a more realistic and varied look. I strongly dislike overuse of color grading, when everything is a single colored mush.

[meteorswarm]

Hopefully DA3 involves a city floating on the sky

[Chromie]

empetus wrote...

It does, and badly.

But lets face it, DA 3 is going to be using the old engine, they need to squeeze as much money as they can from it and all the DLC before they *might* get a new engine to work with.

It will be interesting to see how DA 3 does in sales compared to DA:O and DA 2.  Not so good is my guess. Its hard to get excited about graphics from an ancient dinosaur engine.

By using more color at least the world can look much better ><.

That's all I want is some green, some light blue, a little yellow not only brown and blood everywhere.

[bossk-office]

Origins is the only game post Neverwinter Nights to have an isometric or top down viewpoint.

Isometric isn’t ”top-down” ... isometric is this old 90s stuff, where there’s no perspective:



That’s not the top-down view in Origins!

[lobi]

They need something awesome so DA3 Unicorns can ****** double-rainbows.