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[Aedan_Cousland]

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

Do some asari have male appearances? they supposed to be asexual race/whats up with the female-like body?

Another thing,can they make hybrid kids? (half-human/half-turian/etc.)

The Asari reproduce asexually but they are an all female species. It would be inaccurate to refer to the species itself as asexual, since the entire species is sexually female.

Hybird children between different alien species would be an impossibility, outside of some laboratory. Just as a lion cannot impregnate a crocodile, a Turian wouldn't be able to have children with a Quarian. As two unrelated species that evolved on completely different planets, they'd be incompatible genetically.

[Johnny B. Morbid]

The Asari use the DNA of the other species to randomise their own genetic code. It is explained in codex on pureblood Asari's and in conversation fragments on Illium.

If you read the Mass Effect novels(Retribution), it is clear a male human(Paul Grayson) can have penetrational sex with the Asari(Aria's daughter forgot the name), and on top of that they have another mental orgasmic level to the sex to.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Johnny B. Morbid wrote...

If you read the Mass Effect novels(Retribution), it is clear a male human(Paul Grayson) can have penetrational sex with the Asari(Aria's daughter forgot the name), and on top of that they have another mental orgasmic level to the sex to.

There was a a thread awhile back where people were arguing back and forth on whether or not the Asari have vaginal intercourse, and the head-in-sand crowd who argued they don't, suggested that passage was just Grayson being physically exhausted from the mind meld, or from anal sex.
 
I agree that it was fairly clear in that scene that Grayson had vaginal sex with Liselle (Aria's daughter), but some people prefer to think of the Asari as being very different physically from human women, despite evidence to the contrary.

[MonkeyKaboom]

Dangerfoot wrote...

Katamariguy wrote...

Is there an alternative? Say, budding?

Oops, I missed this. Yes, something like that would make more sense to me. Probably would turn some Asari fans off to the idea of mating with them, but mammal reproduction is pretty weird too tbh.

Budding would be possible.  I mean its just a game and this is all just space nerd sex rage really.  But given the fact that they simply use partner DNA as a blueprint with no actual material exchange, there isn't really a need for any gamete at all.  Although it could be similar to say yeast, which also can reproduce via spores (gametes).  Just think of little squid head spores....I think given the complexity of the organism, it would be most likely some form of parthenogenesis.

But anyways, the whole concept of humanoid reproductive organs in an organism which requires no material transfer to reproduce is just off.  Not only is it uneccessary, it would be contradictory to Darwinian natural selection.  Developing these organ structures requires energy.  For an organism to produce a needless organ would be a waste of energy better put to other purposes.  One would have to assume that issue would have been delt with via evolutionary development.  Unless there is some evolutionary advantage to having them, as before with say spawning a highly developed (which would require a significant gestational period), parthenogenetically produced offspring.

Maybe they evolved from rotifers.  Or nematodes....

To my knowledge though there are no instances of mammalian parthenogenesis.

[Dangerfoot]

MonkeyKaboom wrote...

Budding would be possible.  I mean its just a game and this is all just space nerd sex rage really.  But given the fact that they simply use partner DNA as a blueprint with no actual material exchange, there isn't really a need for any gamete at all.  Although it could be similar to say yeast, which also can reproduce via spores (gametes).  Just think of little squid head spores....I think given the complexity of the organism, it would be most likely some form of parthenogenesis.

But anyways, the whole concept of humanoid reproductive organs in an organism which requires no material transfer to reproduce is just off.  Not only is it uneccessary, it would be contradictory to Darwinian natural selection.  Developing these organ structures requires energy.  For an organism to produce a needless organ would be a waste of energy better put to other purposes.  One would have to assume that issue would have been delt with via evolutionary development.  Unless there is some evolutionary advantage to having them, as before with say spawning a highly developed (which would require a significant gestational period), parthenogenetically produced offspring.

This guy knows what's up!

I hope I didn't come off as "space nerd raging", I really only thought it would be an interesting thing to talk about since it's kind of a silly interpretation of how biology works.

Something else that makes me laugh is how fantasy and sci-fi races that are clearly based on lizards, insects and fish end up having breasts and feminine figures. I understand why they feel the need to do it since it appeals not only on a sexual level but also on a level of familiarity and comfort (easier to bond with races that look like us, somewhat) for the reader/player/viewer, but it still makes me raise my brow inquisitively.

[MonkeyKaboom]

I hope I didn't come off as "space nerd raging", 

Not at all.  I was referring more to the concept as a whole and from a design standpoint all the way to general fanbase.  I mean its kinda stereotyping.  But whenever I think of this kind of topic I keep getting the memory of The Watchmen movie.  That whole movie just screamed nerdy sexual repression.  Its not a big deal.  Just a funny observation.  That said though its kinda cultural.  Its not just this game.  But as a whole.  I mean look at movies even dating back to the 50's.  They all assume sentient beings from other planets would have to resemble us in at least a generic sense, which is not the case at all.  Heck even our own planet, we are under the assumption that even on a basic genetic level all things have a similar pattern of development.  Which too, is just not the case.  We are finding stuff now that can thrive in arsenic and other stuff that forms its energy base off sulphur.  Ironically, the hanaar are probably the most realistic interpretation of alien life in the game...

I mean, take the Elcor for another example.  They would more realistically be much shorter and wide.  At their height and structure, simply tripping over could be fatal on their homeworld.  They'd never be able to get back up.

[Seboist]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Johnny B. Morbid wrote...

If you read the Mass Effect novels(Retribution), it is clear a male human(Paul Grayson) can have penetrational sex with the Asari(Aria's daughter forgot the name), and on top of that they have another mental orgasmic level to the sex to.

There was a a thread awhile back where people were arguing back and forth on whether or not the Asari have vaginal intercourse, and the head-in-sand crowd who argued they don't, suggested that passage was just Grayson being physically exhausted from the mind meld, or from anal sex.
 
I agree that it was fairly clear in that scene that Grayson had vaginal sex with Liselle (Aria's daughter), but some people prefer to think of the Asari as being very different physically from human women, despite evidence to the contrary.

Would an Asari even enjoy vaginal sex? Their species wasn't meant for human hetero sex, so It'd be like sticking it in the ear or nose to them.

[SilentNukee]

Saphra Deden wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

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The one who will give birth would be Liara. The baby will be 100% Asari, having some of Shep's "randomized" genes.

Nothing of Shepard's is in there. Nothing. Shepard is just the mixing pot, so to speak. (Liara is the oven and her genes are all the ingredients)

I meant by having "Shep's "randomized gene" is as using her own but coding it based on him/her. If they truly had nothing to do with the father, then they wouldn't need a second partner to procreate.

[Seboist]

Saphra Deden wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

I meant by having "Shep's "randomized gene" is as using her own but coding it based on him/her.

Except it isn't "coded" based on Shepard. It is just randomized. The child gains no traits what-so-ever from the father species. The concept that they do is just urban myth.

...and indeed, the asari do not need a second partner. A dose of radiation can accomplish the job just as well. It is more of a cultural thing to seek out partners and perhaps even a political strategy.

Yeah, the Asari are technically asexual.

[Wittand25]

Seboist wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

I meant by having "Shep's "randomized gene" is as using her own but coding it based on him/her.

Except it isn't "coded" based on Shepard. It is just randomized. The child gains no traits what-so-ever from the father species. The concept that they do is just urban myth.

...and indeed, the asari do not need a second partner. A dose of radiation can accomplish the job just as well. It is more of a cultural thing to seek out partners and perhaps even a political strategy.

Yeah, the Asari are technically asexual.

No, not necessarily. Sexual reproduction does not always require a partner. Apart from self insemination, as some hermaphroditic species can do, there is also automixis a form of reproduction in which during the meiosis two products merge again to produce offspring. Automixis does count as sexual reproduction as well as parthenogenesis and seems the closest we have in the real world to what the Asari do in game.

Modifié par Wittand25, 25 mai 2011 - 07:17 .

[SilentNukee]

Saphra Deden wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

I meant by having "Shep's "randomized gene" is as using her own but coding it based on him/her.

Except it isn't "coded" based on Shepard. It is just randomized. The child gains no traits what-so-ever from the father species. The concept that they do is just urban myth.

...and indeed, the asari do not need a second partner. A dose of radiation can accomplish the job just as well. It is more of a cultural thing to seek out partners and perhaps even a political strategy.

I'd like to see proof of this instead of just stating with nothing really to back you up. Their biology might be completely different from what we know as asexual, or hermaphrodite, or anything you'd like to throw out. If that were the case, they'd just be making clones of themselves, which they aren't.
Taking from ME wiki: "Although asari have one gender, they are not asexual. An asari provides
two copies of her own genes to her offspring, which—regardless of the
species or sex of the 'father'—is always an asari. The second set is
altered in a unique process called melding, also known as the joining." therefore "coding/mapping" the random genes to fit around their partner's.
Also, look at Ardat-Yakshi...Only happens in purebloods. Having different species to code their second gene, and for that disease to not become present in these instances, proves that it plays a great role in procreation.

Modifié par SilentNukee, 25 mai 2011 - 07:11 .

[SilentNukee]

Saphra Deden wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...


I'd like to see proof of this instead of just stating with nothing really to back you up.

Read the codex and listen to Matriarch Aetheyta (sp?).

I have, and they never say anything about not needing a second partner.

Modifié par SilentNukee, 25 mai 2011 - 07:14 .

[Scandigeek]

Slightly off topic but is anyone else hoping that if Liara has a baby the birthing will end up like a certain scene from Men in Black?

[marshalleck]

This thread is why kids in junior high need sex ed classes.

[Minister of Sound]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Johnny B. Morbid wrote...

If you read the Mass Effect novels(Retribution), it is clear a male human(Paul Grayson) can have penetrational sex with the Asari(Aria's daughter forgot the name), and on top of that they have another mental orgasmic level to the sex to.

There was a a thread awhile back where people were arguing back and forth on whether or not the Asari have vaginal intercourse, and the head-in-sand crowd who argued they don't, suggested that passage was just Grayson being physically exhausted from the mind meld, or from anal sex.
 
I agree that it was fairly clear in that scene that Grayson had vaginal sex with Liselle (Aria's daughter), but some people prefer to think of the Asari as being very different physically from human women, despite evidence to the contrary.

I was under that assumption too, but I thought that Asari wouldn't have clitorii.

[Dean_the_Young]

Saphra Deden wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

I have, and they never say anything about not needing a second partner.

Oh, I thought you were talking about the other thing. In this case, you should talk to the Baria Frontiers rep. It is implied by her dialogue. Though on reflection I suppose there are other ways to interpret it.

I believe what she was referring to was that radiation did randomization that negated the 'pure blood' dangers. Not so much that the Asari didn't need a partner, but that the non-Asari partners who traditionally randomized the AY gene out of existence could be replaced with radiation, thus making pure-bloods non-taboo.

[Dean_the_Young]

Minister of Sound wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Johnny B. Morbid wrote...

If you read the Mass Effect novels(Retribution), it is clear a male human(Paul Grayson) can have penetrational sex with the Asari(Aria's daughter forgot the name), and on top of that they have another mental orgasmic level to the sex to.

There was a a thread awhile back where people were arguing back and forth on whether or not the Asari have vaginal intercourse, and the head-in-sand crowd who argued they don't, suggested that passage was just Grayson being physically exhausted from the mind meld, or from anal sex.
 
I agree that it was fairly clear in that scene that Grayson had vaginal sex with Liselle (Aria's daughter), but some people prefer to think of the Asari as being very different physically from human women, despite evidence to the contrary.

I was under that assumption too, but I thought that Asari wouldn't have clitorii.

He's referring to the 'sexy isn't that sexy' piece I wrote before, though he's misrepresenting some points. Namely that, while the Asari might have the holes, the usages don't quite do it for the Asari like they would a Human. Different development of sex organs meaning that, to some, a hole is a hole.

[evmiller]

Seboist wrote...

The real question is, which one gives birth when the parents are BOTH Asari?

I always assumed this is random. The one who does't get pregnant is the father. Wonder if Asari can give birth to a pureblood daughter, but be a father to an other child. This would have to be the case or their would clearly be a male/female and we've always been told this isn't the case.

[evmiller]

Dangerfoot wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

Dangerfoot wrote...

Why do Asari have mammal lady parts if they just press their head against their mates head and make psychic babies?

for birthing and nursing

Well that makes sense if you mate the way that mamals mate, but they don't. So it strikes me as odd that they would have a uterus despite the fact that nothing ever goes up there. From a biology standpoint it's rather backwards.

Asari vaginas aren't bi-directional like human ones are. Things only travel OUT of theirs.

[evmiller]

corporal doody wrote...

and im PRETTY sure they still have sex....the physical kind.....for pleasure.... kinda makes the whole being "open about their sexual nature" tid-bit a little redherringish i think..... if it was only mind melding...it would be like "sex" in Demolition Man...not very fulfilling

Asari get sexual pleasure from the act of melding with their mates nervous system. playing around with her birth canal wouldn't do anymore good then touching her arm. Always thought it would be like some mind-blowing total body and mind experience. Instead of just your private parts feeling good, everything does.

[evmiller]

wheelyjon wrote...

Minister of Sound wrote...

For the last time, Liara is an Asari Maiden. That means she can't have babies yet.

 

good point when deos her stop being a maidan - would she even rech that stage in sheps life span - or is it a matter of choice and personal maturatiy that bring on the next?

this varies of coarse, but maidens will generally become matrons around 300 years old. This could happen earlier is the Asari melds frequently. Matriach stage starts around 700 and can happen earlier is the Asari meld LESS frequently. This info was on the wiki or codex, can't remember.

Modifié par evmiller, 26 mai 2011 - 12:35 .