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[ipgd]

I think there's a point where it starts to become obvious that people will like a game because they want to like it and hate a game because they want to hate it and that any stated reasons are peripheral, ultimately inconsequential justifications to an underlying sentiment that is utterly unmovable by rational argument or debate.

[KnightofPhoenix]

tmp7704 wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Both games are boring and repetative when it comes to the fights. But TW2 is also uninspiring in terms of the actual combat, whereas DAII's MMO-inspired math-based mechanics are insanely fun.

I have to say i find myself replaying combat encounters in TW2 multiple times after i already beat them, simply because of how many ways i can use to get through them and how sheer fun they can be. The feeling of being in middle of dozen nekkers and actually being able to prevent every single one of them from hitting you not because you have a mage with you who can do that with single button press on aoe spell, but through flurry of hits and judicious, rapid target switching... i really wouldn't call it uninspired. It's very sharp contrast from DA combat mechanics where opponents hit "past each other" instead.

Same.
I find it loads of fun and very stimulating in terms of reflexes and quick thinking. On hard, every single fight becomes satisfying, because one moment of carelessness can have anything 2-3 shot you. Add to that combining melee attacks, several signs, grenades, traps...etc. 

And since many of the fights are in open spaces and not corridors, there is variation in terms of the tactics you can use. Especially since, on harder difficulties, being mindful of positioning is crucial.

With no exagerration whatsoever, TW2 had one of the funnest and most challenging gameplay I've ever played.

[KnightofPhoenix]

ipgd wrote...

I think there's a point where it starts to become obvious that people will like a game because they want to like it and hate a game because they want to hate it and that any stated reasons are peripheral, ultimately inconsequential justifications to an underlying sentiment that is utterly unmovable by rational argument or debate.

Hypothesis. Maybe there are reasons to like or dislike a game instead of waking up and deciding to dislike a game just because.

I don't know. Sounds more plausible to me.

[tallon1982]

tmp7704 wrote...

tallon1982 wrote...

Or he could just use that shield skill, Quen...lol Just saying

He only noticed what Quen does half way through Pt.12 of that video.

LOL! I needed a good laugh But really rather than rage at games like he did perhaps playing around with the skills you have first would be a good idea instead of GAMER RAGE!

As far as the bickering on this thread... really peeps? Come on...It's a game. Sure there is going to be various 'camps' of whatever (Camp this game is great, Camp this game is awesome, Camp your opinion doesn't matter etc) I'm not telling you to hold hands and sing around camp fire but just respect each other's space so to speak. Don't like what someone has to say? Ignore it, move along or find a productive way to perhaps counter the arguement. You know..debate?

Did I mention bioware should steal erm I mean borrow the way TW2 did their environments? Oh I did? Great

[Rockpopple]

ipgd wrote...

I think there's a point where it starts to become obvious that people will like a game because they want to like it and hate a game because they want to hate it and that any stated reasons are peripheral, ultimately inconsequential justifications to an underlying sentiment that is utterly unmovable by rational argument or debate.

You're only 100% exactly right. 

And isn't this a Dragon Age 2 board? What the **** is with all TW2 talk? It's gone from "what elements" to "lets talk about TW2, wheee!" CDPR must be thanking BioWare for the second time for taking so much of their load on the boards.

Modifié par Rockpopple, 26 mai 2011 - 06:40 .

[Zjarcal]

Master Shiori wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Does this remind you of anything:

Considering that I did have moral choices in DA2 and the game boviously didn't play itself, no. I'd give them points for sarcasm but they didn't pull that off well either.

But thanks for the vid. It did a wonderfull job of knocking my opinion of CDProjekt down several notches. 

Same here. I actually just want to ditch TW1 (which I was "playing" at the moment) altogether now.... not that I wasn't already planning on doing that.... 

Modifié par Zjarcal, 26 mai 2011 - 06:42 .

[Khayness]

Rockpopple wrote...

And isn't this a Dragon Age 2 board? What the **** is with all TW2 talk? It's gone from "what elements" to "lets talk about TW2, wheee!" CDPR must be thanking BioWare for the second time for taking so much of their load on the boards.

We get paid 10 zloty ('bout 3,5 bucks) for 50 posts a day.

[Acemath]

What they have to copy from TW2? Almost everything. Imo DA2 was my biggest letdown ever.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Khayness wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

And isn't this a Dragon Age 2 board? What the **** is with all TW2 talk? It's gone from "what elements" to "lets talk about TW2, wheee!" CDPR must be thanking BioWare for the second time for taking so much of their load on the boards.

We get paid 10 zloty ('bout 3,5 bucks) for 50 posts a day.

I get paid 15. They're cheating you.

[Marionetten]

ipgd wrote...

I think there's a point where it starts to become obvious that people will like a game because they want to like it and hate a game because they want to hate it and that any stated reasons are peripheral, ultimately inconsequential justifications to an underlying sentiment that is utterly unmovable by rational argument or debate.

I think it has more to do with the fact that a lot of Dragon Age II fans have painted themselves into a corner here by praising Dragon Age II for its increased focus on action while simultaneously condemning The Witcher 2 for having the same focus but executing it far better. This whole "The Witcher 2 is nothing but a mindless hack and slash while Dragon Age II is amazingly deep and complex" is getting hilarious.

I've always been in the camp who wanted Dragon Age to remain focused on strategical elements. I do NOT want to see BioWare trying to mimic the gameplay found in The Witcher 2. Sure, I enjoy it for what it is but I'd like to see Dragon Age remain its own thing. Dragon Age II was the first misstep here and its defenders will have an increasingly difficult time justifying its design process in the wake of The Witcher 2. Especially when they're all dead set on bashing the latter.

Modifié par Marionetten, 26 mai 2011 - 06:47 .

[tmp7704]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Same.
I find it loads of fun and very stimulating in terms of reflexes and quick thinking. On hard, every single fight becomes satisfying, because one moment of carelessness can have anything 2-3 shot you. Add to that combining melee attacks, several signs, grenades, traps...etc. 

Yup, i had to drop it to Normal to deal with the spider queens, but playing on Hard other than that, and it's hillarious how even a guy with a shovel and couple friends can take me down if i don't put thought into the approach. (also fitting given Geralt's background)  At the same time i can't get mad when it happens because whenever it does it's my own fault. And hugely satisfying when i get past things with minimal health loss and/or stringing together some neat tricks.

Modifié par tmp7704, 26 mai 2011 - 06:47 .

[Rockpopple]

I think the beauty of it all is that CDPR doesn't have to pay any of you one red cent.... or whatever it is where you guys come from. You come here all on your own, for free, pimping their products on boards where it's off-topic. Heck, at least CDPR had to pay for the engine they used in TW1. Now it's just a bonanza.

If there's anything BioWare should take from them, it should be their marketing guy.

[Marionetten]

Rockpopple wrote...

I think the beauty of it all is that CDPR doesn't have to pay any of you one red cent.... or whatever it is where you guys come from. You come here all on your own, for free, pimping their products on boards where it's off-topic. Heck, at least CDPR had to pay for the engine they used in TW1. Now it's just a bonanza.

If there's anything BioWare should take from them, it should be their marketing guy.

You actually make an excellent point here, Rock. It's the power of consumer loyalty and its not be underestimated. The Witcher 2 didn't have any fancy TV ads or anything but it has still managed to sell remarkably well. Every gaming site is talking about it including this one. I do think BioWare could learn from it and be a little less obvious in their milking. Repeating Bethesda's horse armor mistake was not a good decision.

Modifié par Marionetten, 26 mai 2011 - 06:51 .

[Merced652]

CDRP's marketing had nothing do with it. Bioware's own epic failure had everything to do with it though.

[Chromie]

tmp7704 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Same.
I find it loads of fun and very stimulating in terms of reflexes and quick thinking. On hard, every single fight becomes satisfying, because one moment of carelessness can have anything 2-3 shot you. Add to that combining melee attacks, several signs, grenades, traps...etc. 

Yup, i had to drop it to Normal to deal with the spider queens, but playing on Hard other than that, and it's hillarious how even a guy with a shovel and couple friends can take me down if i don't put thought into the approach. (also fitting given Geralt's background)  At the same time i can't get mad when it happens because whenever it does it's my own fault. And hugely satisfying when i get past things with minimal health loss and/or stringing together some neat tricks.

That's something I don't get from DA2 except on Nightmare when soloing the Rockwraith.

But every fight in Witcher 2 leaves me satisfied in DA2 I feel more like "is it over?" because of those damn wave respawns.


@Rockpopple  Right. Witcher 2 had demo's sent out to critics and some videos that's about it. DA2 and ME2 had commercials and trailers on tv.

If anything EA should take some of that money and put it towards the game. Look at a game like Minecraft an indie game with no marketing except by word of mouth which is more powerful then a commercial. It's a success and people love it because it's a good game. Same with Witcher 2.

Modifié par Ringo12, 26 mai 2011 - 06:54 .

[Rockpopple]

Marionetten wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

I think the beauty of it all is that CDPR doesn't have to pay any of you one red cent.... or whatever it is where you guys come from. You come here all on your own, for free, pimping their products on boards where it's off-topic. Heck, at least CDPR had to pay for the engine they used in TW1. Now it's just a bonanza.

If there's anything BioWare should take from them, it should be their marketing guy.

You actually make an excellent point here, Rock. It's the power of consumer loyalty and its not be underestimated. The Witcher 2 didn't have any fancy TV ads or anything but it has still managed to sell remarkably well. Every gaming site is talking about it including this one. I do think BioWare could learn from it and be a little less obvious in their milking. Repeating Bethesda's horse armor mistake was not a good decision.

You know what else sold remarkably well? Dragon Age II. I have yet to see the PC numbers of TW2 compared to Dragon Age II, and I'd be curious to see how much better they're doing and will do in the weeks to come.

There's nothing wrong with "fancy TV ads". Jesus Christ how far up your own sense of old-fashioned pride are you?

If BioWare could use their marketing tactic of bashing their competition (instead of their past games) while getting some of their more feeble-minded fans to spread the love on their competition's boards, hey, I'm all for it. 

[Merced652]

Rockpopple wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

I think the beauty of it all is that CDPR doesn't have to pay any of you one red cent.... or whatever it is where you guys come from. You come here all on your own, for free, pimping their products on boards where it's off-topic. Heck, at least CDPR had to pay for the engine they used in TW1. Now it's just a bonanza.

If there's anything BioWare should take from them, it should be their marketing guy.

You actually make an excellent point here, Rock. It's the power of consumer loyalty and its not be underestimated. The Witcher 2 didn't have any fancy TV ads or anything but it has still managed to sell remarkably well. Every gaming site is talking about it including this one. I do think BioWare could learn from it and be a little less obvious in their milking. Repeating Bethesda's horse armor mistake was not a good decision.

You know what else sold remarkably well? Dragon Age II. I have yet to see the PC numbers of TW2 compared to Dragon Age II, and I'd be curious to see how much better they're doing and will do in the weeks to come.

There's nothing wrong with "fancy TV ads". Jesus Christ how far up your own sense of old-fashioned pride are you?

If BioWare could use their marketing tactic of bashing their competition (instead of their past games) while getting some of their more feeble-minded fans to spread the love on their competition's boards, hey, I'm all for it. 

Here we go. :innocent:

[Rockpopple]

ipgd wrote...

I think there's a point where it starts to become obvious that people will like a game because they want to like it and hate a game because they want to hate it and that any stated reasons are peripheral, ultimately inconsequential justifications to an underlying sentiment that is utterly unmovable by rational argument or debate.

You're only 100% exactly right. People like what they like and they hate what they hate, and they'll find the "facts" to justify those positions.

And isn't this a Dragon Age 2 board? What the **** is with all TW2 talk? It's gone from "what elements" to "lets talk about TW2, wheee!" CDPR must be thanking BioWare for the second time for taking so much of their load on the boards.

[Marionetten]

Rockpopple wrote...

You know what else sold remarkably well? Dragon Age II. I have yet to see the PC numbers of TW2 compared to Dragon Age II, and I'd be curious to see how much better they're doing and will do in the weeks to come.

There's nothing wrong with "fancy TV ads". Jesus Christ how far up your own sense of old-fashioned pride are you?

If BioWare could use their marketing tactic of bashing their competition (instead of their past games) while getting some of their more feeble-minded fans to spread the love on their competition's boards, hey, I'm all for it.

Easy on the insults, Rock. You wouldn't want to get banned.

Merced652 wrote...

Here we go. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angel.png[/smilie]

Heh, wonder if Epler will keep true to his word or let it slide as usual.

Modifié par Marionetten, 26 mai 2011 - 07:01 .

[Chromie]

Rockpopple wrote...

You know what else sold remarkably well? Dragon Age II. I have yet to see the PC numbers of TW2 compared to Dragon Age II, and I'd be curious to see how much better they're doing and will do in the weeks to come.

There's nothing wrong with "fancy TV ads". Jesus Christ how far up your own sense of old-fashioned pride are you?

If BioWare could use their marketing tactic of bashing their competition (instead of their past games) while getting some of their more feeble-minded fans to spread the love on their competition's boards, hey, I'm all for it. 

Witcher 1 sold 1.7 million. Sometimes success doesn't have to 7 million like Mass Effect. But so far it's been selling well I have read and only physical copies have been counted.

If you can't stand Witcher 2 being brought up maybe you should go to a different forum or deal with it.

Modifié par Ringo12, 26 mai 2011 - 07:01 .

[Kroepoek]

Rockpopple wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

I think the beauty of it all is that CDPR doesn't have to pay any of you one red cent.... or whatever it is where you guys come from. You come here all on your own, for free, pimping their products on boards where it's off-topic. Heck, at least CDPR had to pay for the engine they used in TW1. Now it's just a bonanza.

If there's anything BioWare should take from them, it should be their marketing guy.

You actually make an excellent point here, Rock. It's the power of consumer loyalty and its not be underestimated. The Witcher 2 didn't have any fancy TV ads or anything but it has still managed to sell remarkably well. Every gaming site is talking about it including this one. I do think BioWare could learn from it and be a little less obvious in their milking. Repeating Bethesda's horse armor mistake was not a good decision.

You know what else sold remarkably well? Dragon Age II. I have yet to see the PC numbers of TW2 compared to Dragon Age II, and I'd be curious to see how much better they're doing and will do in the weeks to come.

There's nothing wrong with "fancy TV ads". Jesus Christ how far up your own sense of old-fashioned pride are you?

If BioWare could use their marketing tactic of bashing their competition (instead of their past games) while getting some of their more feeble-minded fans to spread the love on their competition's boards, hey, I'm all for it. 

I hope they keep doing the TV-ads and such. More popularity. When the game stinks, like DA2 does, it's twice the pride, double the fall.

[Rockpopple]

Oh I'm pretty sure I'd get at least a warning from a moderator first if I was going anywhere in ban-territory. Besides, I wasn't insulting anyone specifically. It would be like if I claimed people who thought the earth were flat were a bunch of ignorant rubes. Yeah, it's a mean thing to say, but it's not necessarily untrue.

Just as claiming that feeble-minded pimple-heads who flood the competition of their beloved game's boards with off-topic bullcrap are as such, it's a mean thing to call them... but apt. Quite apt.

Why? Who am I talking about here, specifically?