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Skilled Seeker wrote...

It's Fable with an 18 rating.

Fable 1 was actually good.... wasn't it? Even though Peter Molyneux is a liar.:lol:

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I like all the Fables, but certainly don't believe a word Peter says!

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Skilled Seeker wrote...

It's Demon's Souls.


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Alistairlover94 wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

It's Demon's Souls.


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You mean DA2? I agree.

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Naughty Bear wrote...

Pretty much everything.


This.

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Skilled Seeker wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

It's Demon's Souls.


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You mean DA2? I agree.


I thought we were talkin' about TW2. In that case, it's the equivalent to a GOW/Origins hybrid.

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Alistairlover94 wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

It's Demon's Souls.


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You mean DA2? I agree.


I thought we were talkin' about TW2. In that case, it's the equivalent to a GOW/Origins hybrid.

I still agree.

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Ringo12 wrote...

Ah interesting but is your avatar a horse that looks like Isabella? o.0


It's a winged pony that looks like Isabela.

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Mature, believable world and characters.

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Im would have to say that im in the "just about everything" boat.

and not just to be a dick but because I cant really compare the two games. DA2 was floptastic and dissapointing. The witcher 2 is turning out to be a masterpiece of an RPG. It could just be the most beautiful and detailed game yet.

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Tiax Rules All wrote...

Im would have to say that im in the "just about everything" boat.

and not just to be a dick but because I cant really compare the two games. DA2 was floptastic and dissapointing. The witcher 2 is turning out to be a masterpiece of an RPG. It could just be the most beautiful and detailed game yet.


Again, a masterpiece? I've now played the prologue of both games. Witcher 2 has its problems (especially lip synch for the English dialogue)

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Nothing, if I want to play TW2 again I will.

I will be buying DA3 to play a Bioware game, hopefully they refine what they have started and improve on it but they should do that their own way.

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Ariella wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Im would have to say that im in the "just about everything" boat.

and not just to be a dick but because I cant really compare the two games. DA2 was floptastic and dissapointing. The witcher 2 is turning out to be a masterpiece of an RPG. It could just be the most beautiful and detailed game yet.


Again, a masterpiece? I've now played the prologue of both games. Witcher 2 has its problems (especially lip synch for the English dialogue)


yes a masterpiece. I wont nitpic lipsyncing (which pretty much always sucks in games anyways, also didnt think it was that bad in TW2)
honestly other then that I dont really see how you could NOT highly praise the game. Or maybe my scores are so high because i am comparing it to games like DA2.

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I don't think there is much that they haven't already. The single biggest thing I love about the witcher is the mature, political, intriguing storyline. Bioware already moved in that direction with DA2.

1) I would like to see them completely cut the meaningless quests. Finding an item at random and bringing it to someone for a couple of gold is a waste of time and "work" rather than gameplay. There were already so many quests in DA2 that the player was somewhat overwhelmed.

***Minor TW2 spoilers from start of game***
2) Have more depth to quests and multiple ways to complete them. Just take how many variables there were in escaping from the dungeon at the start. You could fight your way out or you could sneak by stunning guards and putting out torches. You could escape via the main entrance or a secret passage and your decision over whether to kill the Baron or talk him into surrendering means you may meet him or his mother on your way out. Too many quests in DA2 were go to the quest marker and proceed to solve via combat or dialogue.

3) Make decisions matter more. It does add more depth and immersivness to the game. I'm on my second playthrough of TW2 right now and just quite shocked how different the story is playing out. Bioware are already doing this to some extent but I would say TW2 magnifies this many times over. This is obviously more work and the question is whether it is worth it to go to such an extent given that many players will not play through multiple times. I would like to see it but if I was making the game I'm not sure whether I would like to implement it. Afterall it will have a cost in other areas.

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Blansten wrote...

Nothing, if I want to play TW2 again I will.

I will be buying DA3 to play a Bioware game, hopefully they refine what they have started and improve on it but they should do that their own way.


I do not find DA2 an improvement on anything except what not to do. I loved DAo.

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1varangian wrote...

Mature, believable world and characters.


The king at the beginning of TW2 comes across as less mature than Cailan....

"What the **** do we want?" Inspiring dialogue.... Please tell me this is the guy who gets gacked.

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Bioware needs to take nothing from the Witcher 2. First of all Witcher is a single character game while DA series is a party based game. The witcher is telling the story of a character from the books. DA is telling its own story, with its own world.

1varangian wrote...

Mature, believable world and characters.


How is the world in the Witcher any more believable than DA's world? This is fantasy.  Are you saying let's have believable fantasy? I play fantasy games to get away from the world and have fun. If I want to see people cursing, selling/taking drugs and   having lots of sex I can walk down my block!

If you really want realism then lets go all the way! Let's worry about having enough food and water, changing clothes for different weather conditions and climates.  Putting our money in the bank. People getting mugged on the street corner.  People catching STDs (which DA2 does have. now that is realistic). The swamp in the Witcher 2 is not realistic. If you have ever been in a real swamp you will know. I been down to Bayou. There very little that is beautiful about a swamp.
I do not need that much realism in my fantasy. Some is good.

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Ariella wrote...
The king at the beginning of TW2 comes across as less mature than Cailan....

"What the **** do we want?" Inspiring dialogue.... Please tell me this is the guy who gets gacked.


**** MINOR SPOILERS from the start of the game ****


I take it you haven't played the game? If "gacked" means what I think it does, he does indeed get "gacked" early on and is one of the main plots of the game. Having a king or general communicate with his troops on a level they are comfortable with is believable IMO. I think that is the only time he uses profanity and is actually a very well done character.

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Tiax Rules All wrote...

Ariella wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Im would have to say that im in the "just about everything" boat.

and not just to be a dick but because I cant really compare the two games. DA2 was floptastic and dissapointing. The witcher 2 is turning out to be a masterpiece of an RPG. It could just be the most beautiful and detailed game yet.


Again, a masterpiece? I've now played the prologue of both games. Witcher 2 has its problems (especially lip synch for the English dialogue)


yes a masterpiece. I wont nitpic lipsyncing (which pretty much always sucks in games anyways, also didnt think it was that bad in TW2)to
honestly other then that I dont really see how you could NOT highly praise the game. Or maybe my scores are so high because i am comparing it to games like DA2.


Nitpick? We've got people here complaing about mispellings in the subtitiles and it's a nitpick to point out that the lip sync (which is the major way players are getting their info) sucks, and can be down right immersion removing. If CD project is going to make a game in English the LEAST they can do is match the lip flaps to the vocals. And they don't suck in all games, in fact I've several games where the lyp sync is just fine, including the DA series. That I actually notice it, means it's just that bad.

The targeting system needs work, the engine doesn't make full use of the mouse in combat situations. Lacking the auto attack for basic attacks makes it more difficult to actually engage in use of special moves like using signs. Do I really need to continue. The tutorial doesn't give you an actual combat tutorial, like how to lock on, which would be useful in a combat situation.

Not to mention unless you've finished TW1 you have no options for your beginning, unlike DA2 which allows imports and three different endings to DAO in case soneone hadn't played the game.

TW2 will probably be a great game after it's patched and some balancing issues are looked at, but for right now, it's like any other just released game.

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If you play it in Russian the lip synch is probably better.

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Malanek999 wrote...

Ariella wrote...
The king at the beginning of TW2 comes across as less mature than Cailan....

"What the **** do we want?" Inspiring dialogue.... Please tell me this is the guy who gets gacked.


**** MINOR SPOILERS from the start of the game ****


I take it you haven't played the game? If "gacked" means what I think it does, he does indeed get "gacked" early on and is one of the main plots of the game. Having a king or general communicate with his troops on a level they are comfortable with is believable IMO. I think that is the only time he uses profanity and is actually a very well done character.


I've played enough to know that the combat balance is broken to hell, and it was just swearing for swearing's sake. Didn't make the king seem any more down to earth, just immature. Cailan does a much better job of it in DAO, so does Alistair for that matter. Hell, the president's speech in ID4 is more inspiring.

People have been talking about mature dialogue. This isn't what I'd consider mature, in fact it's immature. If someone has to express himself in prejortives just to make his point, his vocabulary is lacking.

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Ariella wrote...

If someone has to express himself in prejortives just to make his point, his vocabulary is lacking.


Unless you are in alot of pain or extremely angry then those expressions have a mild curative effect for the user.

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MonkeyLungs wrote...

If you play it in Russian the lip synch is probably better.


I don't speak Russian, I speak English, and if you're going to market to an English speaking country, the least you can do is get the synch right. That's not to much to ask. Drakensang 2 had better lip sych.

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Ariella wrote...
I've played enough to know that the combat balance is broken to hell, and it was just swearing for swearing's sake.

How much have you played it? I'm surprised because the question you asked is answered in the first 1% of the games story. The game does have an extremely steep learning curve and the combat is frustrating at the start.