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[vanslyke85]

"...level designers walk down empty Earth and Martian hallways..."

taken from an article in which the reporter was described certain things about ME3 by casey hudson and other members of the design team.  this empty earth talk got me thinking about a theory i had a while ago about me3.  humans may be forced to abandon the earth. 

[Bourne Endeavor]

I will praise BioWare like no tomorrow if they tempt what few companies in this industry dare even consider; the destruction or abandonment of Earth.

Going to need a source though mate otherwise you are merely posting jibberish.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 24 mai 2011 - 05:05 .

[vanslyke85]

http://www.computera...-mass-effect-3/

[J0HNL3I]

Maybe there wasn't a earth left to save...

[Bourne Endeavor]

Well... that puts a spin on things. Make it so, BioWare!

Wow, I am going to enjoy telling this to a friend of mine. He was convinced the game would be on Earth and we would champion it. This will kill him.

[CroGamer002]

If Earth is empty then why would Reapers still be there?

[Someone With Mass]

I don't think the whole Earth is deserted, just that particular area.

[jamesp81]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

I will praise BioWare like no tomorrow if they tempt what few companies in this industry dare even consider; the destruction or abandonment of Earth.

Going to need a source though mate otherwise you are merely posting jibberish.

And I, on the other hand, won't buy their game.

And that's what Bioware does: sell games.  Most people are not interested in storytelling with dark, grim endings.  If I wanted a bunch hipster grimdark storytelling, I can get it from a Blizzard game.  They can keep this kind of crap away from the ME universe.

I'd be fine with it if we temporarily abandoned Earth, but retook it at the end of ME3 with the population moving back in.  The problem I see with that is that there's simply no way there's enough spacelift capacity to evacuate billions of people.  Hell, the Quarian Migrant Fleet has 50,000 starships in it and it only houses 17 million Quarians in overcrowded conditions.

[jamesp81]

Mesina2 wrote...

If Earth is empty then why would Reapers still be there?

Short answer: they wouldn't.  They'd be moving on to the next world due for a reaping.

[vanslyke85]

jamesp81 wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

I will praise BioWare like no tomorrow if they tempt what few companies in this industry dare even consider; the destruction or abandonment of Earth.

Going to need a source though mate otherwise you are merely posting jibberish.

And I, on the other hand, won't buy their game.

And that's what Bioware does: sell games.  Most people are not interested in storytelling with dark, grim endings.  If I wanted a bunch hipster grimdark storytelling, I can get it from a Blizzard game.  They can keep this kind of crap away from the ME universe.

I'd be fine with it if we temporarily abandoned Earth, but retook it at the end of ME3 with the population moving back in.  The problem I see with that is that there's simply no way there's enough spacelift capacity to evacuate billions of people.  Hell, the Quarian Migrant Fleet has 50,000 starships in it and it only houses 17 million Quarians in overcrowded conditions.

Just because the earth is abandoned doesn't mean it's going to be a dark grim ending.  We could colonize a new world after shep kicks some reaper ass.  in the mass effect universe, anything is possible.  as if you won't buy the game.

[J0HNL3I]

If there so powerful why can't they do a system at a time?

[candidate88766]

Not to rain on your parade, but when it says level designers are walking through empty corridors that implies to me that they're just testing out levels before populating them with characters - i.e. walking around the basic layout before the graphical artists start to polish it.

Earth may well end up being abandoned and we have to walk around a deserted Earth, which could be incredibly emotional. However, what I took away from that article - and I may well be wrong - was that the level designers have pretty much finished to the point that they can walk around their levels, but I can't imagine they're finished yet - only the testing phase.

[Bourne Endeavor]

jamesp81 wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

I will praise BioWare like no tomorrow if they tempt what few companies in this industry dare even consider; the destruction or abandonment of Earth.

Going to need a source though mate otherwise you are merely posting jibberish.

And I, on the other hand, won't buy their game.

And that's what Bioware does: sell games.  Most people are not interested in storytelling with dark, grim endings.  If I wanted a bunch hipster grimdark storytelling, I can get it from a Blizzard game.  They can keep this kind of crap away from the ME universe.

I'd be fine with it if we temporarily abandoned Earth, but retook it at the end of ME3 with the population moving back in.  The problem I see with that is that there's simply no way there's enough spacelift capacity to evacuate billions of people.  Hell, the Quarian Migrant Fleet has 50,000 starships in it and it only houses 17 million Quarians in overcrowded conditions.

If Earth is merely abandoned then who is to say the conclusion of Mass Effect 3 does not see the destruction of the Reapers and our eventual return to Earth? Humanity must start anew after having made an enormous sacrifice, more than any other species in the galaxy, and have thus gained both the respect and admiration of those aforementioned races. You could not ask for a more warm yet believable ending.

You are correct, there is liable to not be enough ships available to evacuate the planet. I estimate scarcely a tenth of the population would survive. Frankly, this is a good angle as it demonstrates the sheer astronomical power of our adversary. The Reapers have been cited to have performed complete genocide for millions of years. If there are not immense casualties than their threat is consequentially diminished. Shepard's meager interference thus far has quelled a cycle that predates every galaxy species existence?

The story should be dark given the circumstances, and I applause BioWare from stepping beyond the cliche if these scenarios are indeed accurate. Half the games nowadays involves our championed campaign to save and protect the Earth from some alien threat. It would be nice to see Earth not always win for once.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 24 mai 2011 - 05:33 .

[jamesp81]

vanslyke85 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

I will praise BioWare like no tomorrow if they tempt what few companies in this industry dare even consider; the destruction or abandonment of Earth.

Going to need a source though mate otherwise you are merely posting jibberish.

And I, on the other hand, won't buy their game.

And that's what Bioware does: sell games.  Most people are not interested in storytelling with dark, grim endings.  If I wanted a bunch hipster grimdark storytelling, I can get it from a Blizzard game.  They can keep this kind of crap away from the ME universe.

I'd be fine with it if we temporarily abandoned Earth, but retook it at the end of ME3 with the population moving back in.  The problem I see with that is that there's simply no way there's enough spacelift capacity to evacuate billions of people.  Hell, the Quarian Migrant Fleet has 50,000 starships in it and it only houses 17 million Quarians in overcrowded conditions.

Just because the earth is abandoned doesn't mean it's going to be a dark grim ending.  We could colonize a new world after shep kicks some reaper ass.  in the mass effect universe, anything is possible.  as if you won't buy the game.

Bzzt.  Wrong on every count.

1) Earth destroyed in any way is a grim ending

2) I damned well won't buy it.  Bioware is not entitled to my money, they gotta earn it just the same as everyone else.

3) This is a heroic space opera.  I didn't play the first two games so I could ****ing lose in the finale.  Earth destroyed = you lost.  Period.

4) This has been discussed at greath length.  If you wipe out Earth's population, humanity as a major player in the galaxy is finished.  Most of the colonies will likely be conquered by batarians or similar thug regimes in short order, as they do not, on their own, have the ability to defend themselves. 99% of the human race in ME lives on Earth.  Destroy Earth and you destroy mankind.  The remaining survivors might continue to linger in a twilight existence as batarian slaves, but humanity would be finished as anyone that mattered.

[Leonia]

I read it as the hallways being empty, not the planets.

But the idea of walking around an abandoned Earth (or Mars) is very, very interesting.I'm not sure how Earth is supposed to pull through the war unscathed, especially if it is an early target.

Modifié par leonia42, 24 mai 2011 - 05:34 .

[vanslyke85]

jamesp81 wrote...

vanslyke85 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

I will praise BioWare like no tomorrow if they tempt what few companies in this industry dare even consider; the destruction or abandonment of Earth.

Going to need a source though mate otherwise you are merely posting jibberish.

And I, on the other hand, won't buy their game.

And that's what Bioware does: sell games.  Most people are not interested in storytelling with dark, grim endings.  If I wanted a bunch hipster grimdark storytelling, I can get it from a Blizzard game.  They can keep this kind of crap away from the ME universe.

I'd be fine with it if we temporarily abandoned Earth, but retook it at the end of ME3 with the population moving back in.  The problem I see with that is that there's simply no way there's enough spacelift capacity to evacuate billions of people.  Hell, the Quarian Migrant Fleet has 50,000 starships in it and it only houses 17 million Quarians in overcrowded conditions.

Just because the earth is abandoned doesn't mean it's going to be a dark grim ending.  We could colonize a new world after shep kicks some reaper ass.  in the mass effect universe, anything is possible.  as if you won't buy the game.

Bzzt.  Wrong on every count.

1) Earth destroyed in any way is a grim ending

2) I damned well won't buy it.  Bioware is not entitled to my money, they gotta earn it just the same as everyone else.

3) This is a heroic space opera.  I didn't play the first two games so I could ****ing lose in the finale.  Earth destroyed = you lost.  Period.

4) This has been discussed at greath length.  If you wipe out Earth's population, humanity as a major player in the galaxy is finished.  Most of the colonies will likely be conquered by batarians or similar thug regimes in short order, as they do not, on their own, have the ability to defend themselves. 99% of the human race in ME lives on Earth.  Destroy Earth and you destroy mankind.  The remaining survivors might continue to linger in a twilight existence as batarian slaves, but humanity would be finished as anyone that mattered.

ohhh your one of those uppity gamers...i get it now

[jamesp81]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

I will praise BioWare like no tomorrow if they tempt what few companies in this industry dare even consider; the destruction or abandonment of Earth.

Going to need a source though mate otherwise you are merely posting jibberish.

And I, on the other hand, won't buy their game.

And that's what Bioware does: sell games.  Most people are not interested in storytelling with dark, grim endings.  If I wanted a bunch hipster grimdark storytelling, I can get it from a Blizzard game.  They can keep this kind of crap away from the ME universe.

I'd be fine with it if we temporarily abandoned Earth, but retook it at the end of ME3 with the population moving back in.  The problem I see with that is that there's simply no way there's enough spacelift capacity to evacuate billions of people.  Hell, the Quarian Migrant Fleet has 50,000 starships in it and it only houses 17 million Quarians in overcrowded conditions.

If Earth is merely abandoned then who is to say the conclusion of Mass Effect 3 does not see the destruction of the Reapers and our eventual return to Earth? Humanity must start anew after having made an enormous sacrifice, more than any other species in the galaxy, and have thus gained both the respect and admiration of those aforementioned races. You could not ask for a more warm yet believable ending.

You are correct, there is liable to not be enough ships available to evacuate the planet. I estimate scarcely a tenth of the population would survive. Frankly, this is a good angle as it demonstrates the sheer astronomical power of our adversary. The Reapers have been cited to have performed complete genocide for millions of years. If there are not immense casualties than their threat is consequentially diminished. Shepard's meager interference thus far has quelled a cycle that predates every galaxy species existence?

The story should be dark given the circumstances, and I applause BioWare from stepping beyond the cliche if these scenarios are indeed accurate. Half the games nowadays involves our championed campaign to save and protect the Earth from some alien threat. It would be nice to see Earth not always win for once.

See my above post about human populations.  Wipe out Earth and humanity is finished.  That would kind of ruin the ME universe for further use.

Also keep in mind that reaping takes a hell of a long time.  British Sniper Guy in the trailer indicated 9 million dead in the first week.  Killing 10 million a week would take 20 years to kill everyone on Earth, so it's clear that the reaping process isn't exactly like throwing a switch anyway.  If they simply wanted to exterminate the population of Earth, and orbital bombardment could accomplish that in less than 24 hours.

But hey, Bioware can wipe out Earth if they want.  They can also find someone else to buy their games from now on, as I'll be done with them.  I won't even have to buy ME3 to learn if the ending is unacceptable to me.  I'm sure I can dig up that info on these very forums before I take out the debit card.

[jamesp81]

leonia42 wrote...

I read it as the hallways being empty, not the planets.

But the idea of walking around an abandoned Earth (or Mars) is very, very interesting.I'm not sure how Earth is supposed to pull through the war unscathed, especially if it is an early target.

Unscathed?  No, certainly not unscathed.

[Leonia]

Unless Earth is destroyed by a Death Star, I'm sure it can be repopulated. That doesn't sound like "lost forever, end of humanity" to me.

There's more the the ME universe than just the human race.

[jamesp81]

vanslyke85 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

vanslyke85 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

I will praise BioWare like no tomorrow if they tempt what few companies in this industry dare even consider; the destruction or abandonment of Earth.

Going to need a source though mate otherwise you are merely posting jibberish.

And I, on the other hand, won't buy their game.

And that's what Bioware does: sell games.  Most people are not interested in storytelling with dark, grim endings.  If I wanted a bunch hipster grimdark storytelling, I can get it from a Blizzard game.  They can keep this kind of crap away from the ME universe.

I'd be fine with it if we temporarily abandoned Earth, but retook it at the end of ME3 with the population moving back in.  The problem I see with that is that there's simply no way there's enough spacelift capacity to evacuate billions of people.  Hell, the Quarian Migrant Fleet has 50,000 starships in it and it only houses 17 million Quarians in overcrowded conditions.

Just because the earth is abandoned doesn't mean it's going to be a dark grim ending.  We could colonize a new world after shep kicks some reaper ass.  in the mass effect universe, anything is possible.  as if you won't buy the game.

Bzzt.  Wrong on every count.

1) Earth destroyed in any way is a grim ending

2) I damned well won't buy it.  Bioware is not entitled to my money, they gotta earn it just the same as everyone else.

3) This is a heroic space opera.  I didn't play the first two games so I could ****ing lose in the finale.  Earth destroyed = you lost.  Period.

4) This has been discussed at greath length.  If you wipe out Earth's population, humanity as a major player in the galaxy is finished.  Most of the colonies will likely be conquered by batarians or similar thug regimes in short order, as they do not, on their own, have the ability to defend themselves. 99% of the human race in ME lives on Earth.  Destroy Earth and you destroy mankind.  The remaining survivors might continue to linger in a twilight existence as batarian slaves, but humanity would be finished as anyone that mattered.

ohhh your one of those uppity gamers...i get it now

Uppity gamers?  Not even really sure what that term means.  Personally, I find this Grimdark and Crapsack World type storytelling and it's proponents to be quite uppity themselves.

Like I said, if I want this sort of thing, there's always Blizzard.  One reason I like Bioware is because, so far, they AREN'T doing the Blizzard thing.

[jamesp81]

leonia42 wrote...

Unless Earth is destroyed by a Death Star, I'm sure it can be repopulated. That doesn't sound like "lost forever, end of humanity" to me.

There's more the the ME universe than just the human race.

1) It's the people, not necessarily just the planet.  99% of humanity lives on Earth in ME.  Wipe out Earth's population, and humanity is finished as anything more than slaves or tattered and scattered survivors.  With all that said, to me, I can't win if either are lost.

2) I have no interest in an ME universe where humans are endangered species.

Modifié par jamesp81, 24 mai 2011 - 05:42 .

[Leonia]

You don't know with certainty that an abandoned earth = destroyed for all time.

I'm trying to figure out what your definition of "destroyed Earth" actually is.

[Someone With Mass]

My definition of a destroyed Earth is something like this.

[Zall]

"So when Bioware show off art, level design, combat, and narrative as distinct elements rather than demoing them as a whole it's because they're skipping the usual demo-friendly vertical slice and rushing straight for the finish line - a complete Mass Effect 3 in time for Christmas."

That's a rather old article, isn't it?

[jamesp81]

leonia42 wrote...

You don't know with certainty that an abandoned earth = destroyed for all time.

I'm trying to figure out what your definition of "destroyed Earth" actually is.

My mistake, I wasn't too descriptive on my definition of a destroyed Earth.

I would label the plot as "Earth is destroyed" if one of the following happens:

1) The entire population, or almost the entire population is killed off
2) The planet is physically destroyed (this almost certainly includes #1)
3) Earth is rendered uninhabitable (this also likely includes #1)

I would consider Earth "not destroyed" if the planet still exists, is still inhabitable and not more than 50% or so of the population is killed.  A 50% kill off would leave a population of 5.7 billion.  This is likely ideal to set the tone for ME3 as it still represents a catastrophe on a scale never before seen and establishes the awesome threat the Reapers represent, but it also leaves Humanity intact enough to still be a major player in galactic affairs as they are now (and this is especially true since it's apparent that the Reapers are giving a similar ass whooping to pretty much all the other races too).  That would leave the ME universe still useable for further storytelling in future games as well.