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[KotorEffect3]

The reapers will most likely try to indocrtinate and harvest the earth's population, if they wanted to kill everyone they could do it easily. Besides they need to find replacements for the collectors.

[jamesp81]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The reapers will most likely try to indocrtinate and harvest the earth's population, if they wanted to kill everyone they could do it easily. Besides they need to find replacements for the collectors.

Yeah, complete extermination is easy.  This could be done in a day or less with an orbital bombardent.  Oh, a 24 hour orbital bombardment might not kill every single person on he planet, but the few survivors that remained would die from environmental factors very soon, a month or two at the most.  With all infrastructure and industry devastated, they'd have no way to escape the planet either.

[T764]

For me it's not about grimdark or wanting to fail its more about constantly being beaten over the head with "Earth is your home, it's important" in the vast majority of sci-fi entertainment.

In the case of Mass Effect being able to choose a spacer or Colonist background and then have to put up Tali complaining that you still have a home really got up my nose, it implied that just because i was human Earth was the centre of my universe.

I would rather not see Earth at all, better to let the player decide where is important to them, if you visit Earth why not Mindior or physically meet the spacers mother, it's only fair.

[vanslyke85]

T764 wrote...

For me it's not about grimdark or wanting to fail its more about constantly being beaten over the head with "Earth is your home, it's important" in the vast majority of sci-fi entertainment.

In the case of Mass Effect being able to choose a spacer or Colonist background and then have to put up Tali complaining that you still have a home really got up my nose, it implied that just because i was human Earth was the centre of my universe.

I would rather not see Earth at all, better to let the player decide where is important to them, if you visit Earth why not Mindior or physically meet the spacers mother, it's only fair.

Definitely agree.  Although for me I was earthborn most of my playthroughs for me abandoning Earth is a pretty huge deal. 

[jamesp81]

T764 wrote...

For me it's not about grimdark or wanting to fail its more about constantly being beaten over the head with "Earth is your home, it's important" in the vast majority of sci-fi entertainment.

In the case of Mass Effect being able to choose a spacer or Colonist background and then have to put up Tali complaining that you still have a home really got up my nose, it implied that just because i was human Earth was the centre of my universe.

I would rather not see Earth at all, better to let the player decide where is important to them, if you visit Earth why not Mindior or physically meet the spacers mother, it's only fair.

If you don't like Earth or don't want to see it, stick to the Star Wars games where Earth doesn't even exist.

[T764]

jamesp81 wrote...
If you don't like Earth or don't want to see it, stick to the Star Wars games where Earth doesn't even exist.

Good idea, but i love sci-fi and there seem to be pathetically few non fps or rts sci-fi games, any suggestions?

It's not about wanting to visist Earth or not, it's being told that the Earth is far more important than anywhere else when the entire galaxy is supposed to be at stake, just because i happen to be human.

[Moiaussi]

vanslyke85 wrote...

"...level designers walk down empty Earth and Martian hallways..."

taken from an article in which the reporter was described certain things about ME3 by casey hudson and other members of the design team.  this empty earth talk got me thinking about a theory i had a while ago about me3.  humans may be forced to abandon the earth. 

Besides the fact that as others have pointed out, those areas might simply be empty but the rest of the planet still populated (Doctor Who used to be notorious for running down mazes of identical empty passages), has anyone considered that they might be empty simply because the game isn't finished yet and the designers were just showing the reporters some of the unfinished level design?

In other words, they might simply not have put people in them yet.

[jamesp81]

T764 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...
If you don't like Earth or don't want to see it, stick to the Star Wars games where Earth doesn't even exist.

Good idea, but i love sci-fi and there seem to be pathetically few non fps or rts sci-fi games, any suggestions?

It's not about wanting to visist Earth or not, it's being told that the Earth is far more important than anywhere else when the entire galaxy is supposed to be at stake, just because i happen to be human.

It's frankly not believable that a human soldier in the human military wouldn't consider Earth the most important planet, strategically speaking, in his world.  It's just not reasonable to think otherwise.

As for suggestions of other sci fi, you're not going to get the best stuff until you branch out into books from video games.  As mentioned above, I recommend David Weber's older works.

[T764]

I was under the impression that Shepard, being dead, was no longer part of the alliance military.

In addition, in the event of a protracted galactic scale war is it not more tactically sound to protect the people and military and industrial intrests as opposed to, what is essentialy, just some planet, also isn't the Citidel supposed to be the "Centre" of the galaxy.

My objection is in part due to ignorance i haven't been following the ME3 news too much, it just seemed like "reward the Earthborn characters and screw the rest", or "End of the trilogy, throw in Earth".

Thanks for the suggestion about David Weber, not a name i'm familiar with, the point was more that if i want to "physically" explore a sci-fi setting i have few choices beyond oppressively paced shooters or a genre i'm not overly fond of.

[Commander_Adept]

Mal: Here's how it is: The Earth got used up, so we moved out and terraformed a whole new galaxy of Earths. Some rich and flush with the new technologies, some not so much. The Central Planets, thems formed the Alliance, waged war to bring everyone under their rule; a few idiots tried to fight it, among them myself. I'm Malcolm Reynolds, captain of Serenity. She's a transport ship; Firefly class. Got a good crew: fighters, pilot, mechanic. We even picked up a preacher for some reason, and a bona fide companion. There's a doctor, too, took his genius sister outta some Alliance camp, so they're keepin' a low profile. You understand. You got a job, we can do it, don't much care what it is.

[T764]

As much as i like Firefly context is good.

[jamesp81]

T764 wrote...

I was under the impression that Shepard, being dead, was no longer part of the alliance military.

In addition, in the event of a protracted galactic scale war is it not more tactically sound to protect the people and military and industrial intrests as opposed to, what is essentialy, just some planet, also isn't the Citidel supposed to be the "Centre" of the galaxy.

My objection is in part due to ignorance i haven't been following the ME3 news too much, it just seemed like "reward the Earthborn characters and screw the rest", or "End of the trilogy, throw in Earth".

Thanks for the suggestion about David Weber, not a name i'm familiar with, the point was more that if i want to "physically" explore a sci-fi setting i have few choices beyond oppressively paced shooters or a genre i'm not overly fond of.

Shepard came of age in the military in the service of humanity.  I doubt that a technicality of being dead for two years is going to change his outlook on that.

Protecting people, industrial, and military assets is smart, but you can only do so much.  There's no way in hell you're going to evacuate 11.4 billion people off the Earth.  That's simply not going to happen.

This is not to say you immediately stand and fight to the last man the moment Earth is invaded.  Again, Reapers appear to take their sweet time about indoctrinating and making smoothies, so it's not like you wait a week or a month and it's over.

If I can liberate Earth while the population is still around 4 billion or more, it's a win.  Any more than that and there won't really be an Earth left to save.  At the least, the Alliance will be finished as a player in galactic affairs, and anyone who thinks the Council is going to help out is being extremely naive.

[T764]

You are right and i was mostly having a "I see Earth every day, I don't want to see it in my escapist fantasies" type tantrum.

Has there been any news on the backgrounds and if they play any part in ME3?

Any thoughts about how the Reapers will attack, orbital bombardment seems risky if the Reapers want more life to develop or want to repurpose humanity, meaning invasion with what? Geth? Collectors? Husks? Gotta be something new we've not seen yet. And how long it takes and the casualty levels i suppose will depend how "intact" the reapers need us, also affecting how easy/hard it would be fight back.

Will they attack Earth first or are they going to spread out?

Its not that the Council is or is't going to help but more of the impression i got from the games that the Council IS the galaxy.

And that is all very off-topic.

On a personal note thanks for responding, normally i ask questions and then the thread dies before i get an answer, or i just get ignored.

[jamesp81]

We can only guess on these things until ME3 comes out, obviously.

I think the Reapers will do some orbital bombardment to clear the way to land and start doing the indoctrination or smoothy thing. As for their ground troops, I guess it'd be husks at first, then indoctrinated servants later.

I think Earth gets hit first, but others get hit very shortly thereafter. Bioware has semi confirmed that the Turian homeworld is getting it's ass handed to it too. I'd guess everyone's homeworld is probably going to get the same treatment.

I don't think it's likely this war can be won before billions are dead. I'd also guess there's going to be some serious paragon vs renegade choices on how to destroy certain Reapers. They seem to be all about landing on planets they're indoctrinating, so do you nuke them from orbit because it's the only way to be sure and kill the civilians, or do you fight them in space and hope you don't take too many losses? For my part, we're nuking it from orbit. While I'd like the ending to be that I saved Earth with enough people left for humanity to remain a major player, I'm not playing favorites on who lives or dies. If I have to sacrifice a few hundred thousand to blow up a few Reapers, I'm doing it.

Modifié par jamesp81, 25 mai 2011 - 08:51 .

[T764]

Too true.

I didn't see husks as being particularly useful if you wanted prisoners, they seem oblivious to restraint.

It'll be interesting to see how the invasion actually plays out in the rest of the galaxy and who can and can't fight back.

I hope you're right about the paragon/renegade choices and that we get to see the results of our actions this time.

On the subject of nuked from orbit does the Earth have satellite defences or any planet based large scale weaponry? Reapers could be in for a nasty surprise.

[jamesp81]

On husks, I think maybe that they just keep enemy troops from doing an infiltration job. In a few days or weeks time, the indoctrination takes hold.

Don't know about planetary defenses. Among sci fi writers, there are two schools of thought on that.

One school says that ground fortifications with ground to space missiles are effective against a semi civilized enemy that is unwilling to nuke civilians or unwilling to trash a habitable world. Against an uncivilized enemy that doesn't care, such weapons would simply not be used when the planet was invaded, on the idea that this would leave it more or less intact when the time comes to take it back.

Another school says that spacecraft weaponry is so epically destructive that no action should be taken that would invite even the slight chance of such weapons being used on a planet. This school thinks that combat belongs in space and that ground fortifications should not be used.

Which school is right depends a lot on the technology and raw power of the weapons involved.

[Commander_Adept]

T764 wrote...

As much as i like Firefly context is good.

The context was that Earth got used up, etc, which is totally relevent to the thread

[Talthanar]

A destroyed Earth reminds me of Issac Azimov's Robots series. In the final book the baddies set off a device that causes radiation levels to rise on the planet forcing humans to abandon the planet and move to other worlds and colonize.

[vanslyke85]

Talthanar wrote...

A destroyed Earth reminds me of Issac Azimov's Robots series. In the final book the baddies set off a device that causes radiation levels to rise on the planet forcing humans to abandon the planet and move to other worlds and colonize.

Anything like this seems very plausible for the finish of the Shepherds story.  The ultimate sacrifice for humanity, save the galaxy but give up the Earth.  It's quite epic.

[Moiaussi]

Is there any evidence at all this isn't simply just an unfinished and thus yet to be populated part of ME3? The OP quote seemed very out of context.

[vanslyke85]

Moiaussi wrote...

Is there any evidence at all this isn't simply just an unfinished and thus yet to be populated part of ME3? The OP quote seemed very out of context.

oh yea no evidence lol.  i just thought it was an interesting idea and could be a plausible path for it to go down. 

[Moiaussi]

It just seems amusing that there is a 4 page thread of speculation that is likely taking a few words from an interview and running with them with no concern for the context of the quote at all.

[Cosmar]

Regardless of viewpoints, I don't think it's right to make claims involving "Shepard is" or "Shepard believes" or "Shepard thinks" etc....because really, there is no Shepard...Shepard is who each player makes him or her, and the fact is that there are many variants to "Shepard" depending on the player. One player might make Shepard a spacer or colonist, and not care about Earth as much as the galaxy as a whole, while others could play Shepard with only human interests in mind. Based on what we've seen, there's no concrete evidence in the series so far to suggest that Shepard is definitely a certain kind of person with a strict set of beliefs. Each player molds Shepard to what they want him or her to be.

[jamesp81]

vanslyke85 wrote...

Talthanar wrote...

A destroyed Earth reminds me of Issac Azimov's Robots series. In the final book the baddies set off a device that causes radiation levels to rise on the planet forcing humans to abandon the planet and move to other worlds and colonize.

Anything like this seems very plausible for the finish of the Shepherds story.  The ultimate sacrifice for humanity, save the galaxy but give up the Earth.  It's quite epic.

It's quite lametastic.  It would ruin the ME universe for future content after ME3.  It would also be supremely unfulfilling.  I didn't play two other games just to lose in the third.  If Greek Tragedies are your thing, that's fine, but keep them away from ME.

Modifié par jamesp81, 26 mai 2011 - 09:10 .

[jamesp81]

Moiaussi wrote...

It just seems amusing that there is a 4 page thread of speculation that is likely taking a few words from an interview and running with them with no concern for the context of the quote at all.

This is the internet.  It's serious business, ya know