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[mr242]

I have a computer that is a single core. Intel P4 3.0ghz machine.  Audigy 2 ZS. OCZ 600W PSU (Got it cheap during a sale) Would a Radeon 5450 or 6450 be fine to run this game @ high settings , 1440x900 ?

Thanks for your time.

[Gorath Alpha]

Not "high" certainly, for either of those, and in either case, the cost per frame per dollar is way too high at either end of the performance range. It's way too much at the low end, where those are, and generally a lot too much at the very top end. You're going to be fighting against the bottlenecking that is what P4 CPUs are always guilty of in the modern era, when you get into the Mainline zone, but it can't be helped.

The official minimum Radeon named was the X1600 Pro, renamed after the X1650 Pro replaced it (X1300 XT). Very few were sold after the X1650's release, and the confusion with the X1300 Pro being a lot less expensive was a big part of it, although most of the X1300 XTs were included as OEM parts in Dell and HP business class desktops, where they never got close to any game playing.

The HD 5450 is a very low end item, hardly better than the HD 4350 from the year before, and not equal to an X1650, although is is on a par with the X1600 Pro as a bare minimum choice for either the lowest of graphics quality settings and medium resolution settings (your named 1440 by 900 is Medium), or medium graphics settings, but a lowered screen resolution.

There are two very different HD 6450 cards. The one with GDDR5 RAM is actually halfway decent. Here it is, side by side with the HD 5450:

http://www.gpureview...1=625&card2=652

It looks to me as if the HD 6450 with the GDDR3 RAM is going to be the same as an HD 5450; here the two 6450 versions are:

http://www.gpureview...1=651&card2=652

Yes, it's almost that bad:

http://www.gpureview...1=625&card2=651

To get to "High" graphics quality in spite of the bad CPU, you'll need a card at the upper end of Mainline / Medium, or the lower end of Enthusiast Level.

You want either a Radeon 5770 or a Radeon 5830, if you are shopping for an AMD card.

[mr242]

Thanks for the reply and for the link to gpureview. The reason I asked was because the cards at the $50-70 price range are out of stock (at my local computer store). Besides the 5450 and 6450. Which I'm not considering buying anymore. But I thought I'd asked to be sure.

I'll talk to my brother and see what he suggests too. Otherwise I'll buy something online.

(And yes, I will eventually get a dual core CPU/motherboard.Haha.)

[Locutus_of_BORG]

The 5770 is still a pretty good buy. It's coming down in price too, I believe.

[Gorath Alpha]

www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php

I haven't looked up the HD 5670 lately, but I really think that "High Quality" settings may be a real stretch for $70 or less.  I know that the HD 5770 should be able to do so, in spite of the drag on it from the P4, but it may cost too much.  I didn't scan the entire list of all of the 5770s Newegg had for sale. 

The second HIS card among the Newegg HD 5770 listings has a $95 cost, after a rebate:

www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx

Now, after beginning this edit, I did visit Newegg a second time, and here is an XFX branded Radeon HD 5670 for $70 after the rebate.  It will get you "mostly" high settings, or you can compromise slightly on animation smoothness when there are many light sources or many concurrent actions all on screen at once, and set everything high anyway.  

www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx

Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 25 mai 2011 - 02:17 .

[mr242]

Hmm, I might wait and see what happens with the 5770 price. Or maybe wait until I have more money and buy a card in the 150 range. (When I finally have a dual core system.) Thanks for your help Gorath and Locutus.

[Moondoggie]

The 5670 is the best card in the budget range. It'll give good performence in most resolutions and for a game like ME1 you'll have a very good experience. It's a cheap card. You won't need an extra power cable to install it and you'll be able to play most games at decent settings. I reccomend the Sapphire 5670 model it comes in 512mb and 1GB GDDR5 RAM and it comes with a very good arctic cooling fan which makes it a cool and energy efficiant model. .

[Gorath Alpha]

Right now, at every price point that Toms Hardware named below $100, they are reporting that Radeon cards are where the best bang for the buck is to be found:

www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card-game-performance-radeon-hd-6670,2935-2.html

Oops!  My mistake.  They chose not to name any card at all at the $100 price point, although I did find that 5770 for $95 at Newegg. 

They say that the HD 5570 is what averages $65 and is the best deal there, and the HD 5670 averages $75 and is best at that price, but they only named the HD 6670 as an "honorable mention" card. 

[Locutus_of_BORG]

^Wow, old ATIs have dropped big time. I think in April the 5770 was still going for ~$140. Oh well, it just means something better has taken its place in the mid-range.

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 25 mai 2011 - 09:14 .

[Gorath Alpha]

Actually, AMDs original plans had called for several HD 5n00 cards that had been selling well, including the 5750 / 5770, to continue holding the top of the Mainline bracket between the new HD 6670 and the HD 6850, but they caved in under pressure from OEMs, and renamed a series of the 5750s, 5770s to "6750" and "6770", without any substantial changes, other than the name in the BIOS. At first, those were strictly available as production installs in Dell, HP, and Sony PCs.

According to Anand Tech (I think) those names are going to be used at retail as well.

Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 25 mai 2011 - 09:36 .

[mr242]

What about either of these cards? or should I just get a DX11 card?

http://ncix.com/prod...FG Technologies

http://ncix.com/prod...FG Technologies

Modifié par mr242, 26 mai 2011 - 01:35 .

[Gorath Alpha]

The Geforce GT 250 was a darned good card about four years ago, when it was the 8800 GTX, just usually overpriced, but for $65 CDN, it's a better value, just not quite as good, I don't think, as the HD 5670 for the same price, save it's in USD. Look the two up in the Toms Hardware charts.

I don't immediately see much difference between the two old cards . .

Ahh, 12 MHz more core speed for the second one, and another $5 CDN. Don't forget that Newegg opened a Canadian branch, as well as the original one stateside, and the other in China . .

[mr242]

 Yeah, I'm in Canada, so I've been looking at http://www.newegg.ca http://www.ncix.com and http://www.memoryexpress.com (which is the local store I was talking about earlier)

I was going to get the 5570 from Memory Express, until it went out of stock. Also, I didn't realize how often these companies renamed cards.

Modifié par mr242, 26 mai 2011 - 02:12 .

[Gorath Alpha]

nVIDIA has been playing catchup since AMD and ATI merged, and gets way behind with some of their projects. They had to rename most of the 8n00 cards to 9n00 names when their GT200 took too long to get to market, and then didn't have an in-between card faster that the GT 240, and slower than their 260, so they recycled the (9800 now) card a second time.

It's not a bad card, really, and not too terribly high priced for the performance. But the Geforce 440 and 450 are way better than it is, and so are the HD 5750 / 5770. I don't remember, but I think the GT 250 is faster than the HD 5570.

Right now, Dx11 is putting such big demands on the newest cards that can run it, that only the $200 and upward cards, approaching High End, like last year's HD 5850, are able to handle it nicely.

[mr242]

Right now I think I am down to a 5670 GDDR5 1GB or a 5770 GDDR5 1GB. Both Sapphire brands.

[Moondoggie]

mr242 wrote...

Right now I think I am down to a 5670 GDDR5 1GB or a 5770 GDDR5 1GB. Both Sapphire brands.

The choice there simply comes down to what you can afford. If you can shell out the extra bucks then definately get a 5770 as it's the much better card. Gives good performence at pretty much any resolution. This card is probably  the closest you'll get to a high performence graphics card at this price range.

If you are on a tight budget and want to play games the 5670 is your choice. As i said in most resolutions (average monitor sizes not those huge ones) you'll get decent performence and if your monitor is only an 1280 x 1024 resolution it'll allow you to turn up the graphics high enough to be enjoyable in most games.

[lolwut666]

I thought those cards could run ME1 easily.

I guess I don't know as much about computers as I thought I did.

[Gorath Alpha]

If your added comment is referring to the elderly designs named GT 250 or GTS 250, whichever, after two name recycles, don't forget the OP's hoped for "High" settings. An 8800 was High End four years ago, but is only Medium / Mainline by comparison today. The 9800 was on a thinner die, and had been optimized for that change, so all by itself, that was a sizable boost. The particular 9800 that was recycled into the 250 was a special "GTX-plus" edition that had additional tweaking, as well.

I have plenty of respect for the products that nVIDIA creates. I don't like their predatory pricing tendencies, shades of Apple, and I really don't think that their company philosophy is adequately consumer-oriented.

P. S.  I didn't want to accept that anyone beyond our OP willing to admit to it would have thought that an HD 5450 was worth a second thought for anything.

Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 27 mai 2011 - 12:36 .

[Locutus_of_BORG]

I'd been totally out of the game for the last 10 years almost, so I' ve had to play a lot of catch up of my own, in terms of hardware know-how. I'm an ATI guy now b/c my new Dell uses ATI. Some of my friends are still NVidia die-hards, but it's good to know that I'm generally on the winning team right now, lol.

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 27 mai 2011 - 06:59 .

[Gorath Alpha]

The boss at nVIDIA is a very determined man, and he wants his company back on top again.  In order to do that, he has licensed the ARM processor design that is the guts of most Smartphone devices, and is using that to leverage his GPUs usefulness at the low end now.  He is already selling GPUs as massively parallel CPUs for scientific computing (the very high end stuff).  Soon, he expects to outcompete Intel in the NetBook area, although he'll have to catch up with AMD in that market, since they are already selling NetBooks and NetTops with their Fusion inside. 

[Gorath Alpha]

Gorath Alpha wrote...

The second HIS card among the Newegg HD 5770 listings has a $95 cost, after a rebate:

www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx

Now, after beginning this edit, I did visit Newegg a second time, and here is an XFX branded Radeon HD 5670 for $70 after the rebate.  It will get you "mostly" high settings, or you can compromise slightly on animation smoothness when there are many light sources or many concurrent actions all on screen at once, and set everything high anyway.  

www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx

www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx

(Edited) Oops, I was wrong.  (The special at Newegg for the HIS card is apparently over now.  It's still available, after all.) Added to it, there's a Sapphire HD 5770 available now, at the same after-rebate cost.  I really like the HIS brand much better than Sapphire, and that is a FANTASTIC deal, but the Sapphire card is also a bargain, if you're less of a fan of HIS than I am: 

www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx

Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 29 mai 2011 - 07:46 .

[sedrikhcain]

I wound up running ME1 on my wife's 5450 as part of some troubleshooting. She's running windows 7 with a 2.94 Ghz processor and 2g of RAM (ddr3, IIRC). The game runs with minor choppiness at 1320x780 resolution and all the lowest settings. Anything more and it gets overwhelmed. It has only crashed once but fight sequences get very blurry. I was able to bump it up to linear (but not anisotropic, it couldn't handle that) in settings and improve things a little bit. Bottom line, I think it's a little too big a task for the 5450. Can't say anything about the other card.

[Gorath Alpha]

Both are designed for the same kind of business graphics use: charts, graphs, presentations, and spreadsheets are their forte' and reason for existence, not games. The latest business card isn't enough better than the HD 5450 to reach the HD 5500 level, where the HD 5570 is.

http://www.gpureview...1=651&card2=624

That's the most crummy of HD 6450s, the one with GDDR3.

http://www.gpureview...1=652&card2=624

Even with GDDR5, the HD 6450 doesn't match last year's "Budget" game card.

[Kerosene]

I used to have an HD 5770 (gave back the computer because it was all screwed up) and I was able to hit almost 60 fps in 1080p every setting maxed out! Amazing value, but now I'm getting a GTX 560

[SSV Enterprise]

sedrikhcain wrote...

I wound up running ME1 on my wife's 5450 as part of some troubleshooting. She's running windows 7 with a 2.94 Ghz processor and 2g of RAM (ddr3, IIRC). The game runs with minor choppiness at 1320x780 resolution and all the lowest settings. Anything more and it gets overwhelmed. It has only crashed once but fight sequences get very blurry. I was able to bump it up to linear (but not anisotropic, it couldn't handle that) in settings and improve things a little bit. Bottom line, I think it's a little too big a task for the 5450. Can't say anything about the other card.

RAM may also be another issue with your wife's computer.  2 GB of RAM is the minimum requirement for ME2 with Windows 7/Vista, but 3 GB is recommended.

Modifié par SSV Enterprise, 06 juin 2011 - 11:07 .