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[Droma]

i can agree with that yes =D the thing i'm disagreeing on is your view of his actions.

[Porenferser]

Your example isn't the best.

OBL is/was still a human after all and more similar to many other humans on the planet then they would like.

The Qunari are a whole other race which way of life couldn't be more different then ours.

[themonty72]

Skilled Seeker just hates Arishok and cant see reasons. Arishok saved Da2 you ask me.

Modifié par themonty72, 03 juin 2011 - 01:58 .

[Beerfish]

None of these comparisons of real world people and actions do anything for this argument/discussion nor the mage vs templar argument/discussion.

The Arishok proves to me that if you talk like you know more than the person you are talking about and if you on purpose are very very vague that people can think highly of you even though most of your actions do not fall in line with your words and you hold others to a higher standard than yourself.

Throughout the story he produces this morale code that he expects others to follow and constantly has excuses as to why he and his people do not follow the same moral code. Why he gets respect for this illusion he put up is beyond me. His character has an air and a presence that demands respect but his performance as a leader and actions do not follow the gruff, 'I know more than you' persona.

[Skilled Seeker]

themonty72 wrote...

Skilled Seeker just hates Arishok and cant see reasons. Arishok saved Da2 you ask me.

themonty72 just horny for the Arishok and can't see reasons.

[Skilled Seeker]

Well as the Arishok so eloquently put it, he is but a symptom of the disease that is the Qun. The Qun must be purged to the last man woman or child. It must be utterly destroyed and torn from the pages of history. I see the Chantry as the lesser of two evils. At least there is some semblence of freedom under the Chantry.

[themonty72]

To me he saw that maybe Kirkawll could change but that code since the city had major flaws.HeI didnt force a code on anyone in Kirkwall. He was suggesting toward Hawk how Kirkwall could change by those codes.

Modifié par themonty72, 03 juin 2011 - 07:07 .

[Porenferser]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Well as the Arishok so eloquently put it, he is but a symptom of the disease that is the Qun. The Qun must be purged to the last man woman or child. It must be utterly destroyed and torn from the pages of history.

So you really just hate the Qunari.

Sorry, but one can't discuss like that.

His character has an air and a presence that demands respect but his
performance as a leader and actions do not follow the gruff, 'I know
more than you' persona.

Well, he is still just a mortal being after all.
If he would have been as perfect as he acted the character would have become implausible.

[Skilled Seeker]

themonty72 wrote...

To me he saw that maybe Kirkawll could change but that code since the city had major flaws.HeI didnt force a code on anyone in Kirkwall. He was suggesting toward Hawk how Kirkwall go change by those codes.

Are we playing the same game here? The Arishok was forcefully converting the nobles before Hawke turned up. The disease that is the Qun cannot be allowed to spread. Don't you see the threat it poses to Thedas? It is a bigger threat than any Blight.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Why do you guys keep feeding the troll? Has the sign been torn down again?

[Skilled Seeker]

We're having a mature discussion here. If it's too much for you, stay out of it. Don't spam my thread.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 03 juin 2011 - 02:30 .

[Porenferser]

As you see since 20 minutes no one has answered anymore;)

[yfullman]

The arishok was a good man in a very difficult situation. He and his people were trapped in a city of people who hated and attacked him. They were unable to go home until their relic was recovered and years went by without a single sign of it. And all the way until the final confrontation with hawke he would prefer a peaceful end and would be more than happy to just take the relic, the their, and return home. Everything he did was for the good of his people, and he sure did his best to ignore all the crimes the kirk wallers commited against him

[Skilled Seeker]

I see someone else has been drinking the Qunari kool aid.

[Shadow Raziel]

Amagoi wrote...
Back on track, in what way does Ari become an idiot? By attacking Kirkwall? True, it may have been smarter to just race after the book and leave Kirkwall to destroy itself like we all knew it would, but that was a very emotionally charged situation.

I agree, the book should have been his first priority.  He "may' have miscaculated concerning Kirkwalls ability to set aside differences and come together to repell an attack. It's possible from the intel the Arishok received that he may have believed that the mages and Templars would not be able to work together in the event of an attack. and he would be facing just one faction. with no real coordinated defenses from the city. remember he seen the city in chaos. But once again conflict leads to solidarity. nothing brings people together like conflict or tragedy.   He sorely miscalculated. or maybe at that point he just did not care. he wanted resolution even if it meant his death.  he was a fantatic. but Kirkwall was full of fanatics of one type or another. 

[Well]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

themonty72 wrote...

To me he saw that maybe Kirkawll could change but that code since the city had major flaws.HeI didnt force a code on anyone in Kirkwall. He was suggesting toward Hawk how Kirkwall go change by those codes.

Are we playing the same game here? The Arishok was forcefully converting the nobles before Hawke turned up. The disease that is the Qun cannot be allowed to spread. Don't you see the threat it poses to Thedas? It is a bigger threat than any Blight.

You think there is something wrong for the Qunari trying to force their way of life on you?For a cowardly sneak attack?For killing a noble for speaking the truth?

[Dormiglione]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Well as the Arishok so eloquently put it, he is but a symptom of the disease that is the Qun. The Qun must be purged to the last man woman or child. It must be utterly destroyed and torn from the pages of history. I see the Chantry as the lesser of two evils. At least there is some semblence of freedom under the Chantry.

It seems that you dont have a clue about the Qun. Do you think that the Qun is pure fiction? I suggest you to read about Bushido, the samurai codex. The codex that was written down around 17th century. Go back in time, read how the samurai lived, who they were between 15th and 17th century.

The Qun copied much from Bushido. To understand how a qunari thinks you have to learn about their culture. Go back in time and see how samurai's lived and their codex.

[Speakeasy13]

Porenferser wrote...

Of course he was a mage.
He summoned demons.

But you are right, he wasn't possessed, he was lunatic.

Nah. He was sent to the Circle and back. They confirmed that he wasn't a mage.

Not every mage can summon demons. Only blood mages do.

[MCPOWill]

Because the Arishok is a leader with integrity. Not often you see a people of power that fully committed to what they believe and stand for. As a society we hold these people, both good and bad in high regard and respect. We want to be like that, yet most of us never are wholly committed to our believes and stances on things. This is why people like the Arishok, he is a man of his word and commit to the philosophy of the Qun in which he doesn't falter from.

[Skilled Seeker]

Well wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

themonty72 wrote...

To me he saw that maybe Kirkawll could change but that code since the city had major flaws.HeI didnt force a code on anyone in Kirkwall. He was suggesting toward Hawk how Kirkwall go change by those codes.

Are we playing the same game here? The Arishok was forcefully converting the nobles before Hawke turned up. The disease that is the Qun cannot be allowed to spread. Don't you see the threat it poses to Thedas? It is a bigger threat than any Blight.

You think there is something wrong for the Qunari trying to force their way of life on you?For a cowardly sneak attack?For killing a noble for speaking the truth?

Um, yes of course. None of these actions deserve respect in the slightest.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 03 juin 2011 - 05:11 .

[Well]

MCPOWill wrote...

Because the Arishok is a leader with integrity. Not often you see a people of power that fully committed to what they believe and stand for. As a society we hold these people, both good and bad in high regard and respect. We want to be like that, yet most of us never are wholly committed to our believes and stances on things. This is why people like the Arishok, he is a man of his word and commit to the philosophy of the Qun in which he doesn't falter from.

I disagree.Sorry you don't speak for society.

[Well]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Well wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

themonty72 wrote...

To me he saw that maybe Kirkawll could change but that code since the city had major flaws.HeI didnt force a code on anyone in Kirkwall. He was suggesting toward Hawk how Kirkwall go change by those codes.

Are we playing the same game here? The Arishok was forcefully converting the nobles before Hawke turned up. The disease that is the Qun cannot be allowed to spread. Don't you see the threat it poses to Thedas? It is a bigger threat than any Blight.

You think there is something wrong for the Qunari trying to force their way of life on you?For a cowardly sneak attack?For killing a noble for speaking the truth?

Um, yes of course. None of these actions deserve respect in the slightest.

Funny how some do.Oh well.

[Rogue Unit]

Aside from being big and having a cool voice, I see nothing remotely appealing about the Arishok and his precious Qun.

[Porenferser]

(One last time Off Topic)

Speakeasy13 wrote...

Porenferser wrote...

Of course he was a mage.
He summoned demons.

But you are right, he wasn't possessed, he was lunatic.

Nah. He was sent to the Circle and back. They confirmed that he wasn't a mage.

Not every mage can summon demons. Only blood mages do.

If it is like this, why did Demons pop up when he ran away?

[themonty72]

TO WELL---I see you are comparing my thoughts on the Arishok with skilled seeker. Lets hear your personal thoughts about the Arishok.

Modifié par themonty72, 03 juin 2011 - 06:51 .