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[Porenferser]

Well, people just focus on the Qunari because they are from another race and being that they are 'Intruders'.
But I honestly don't get why *human crimes under human society* should be better.....

[Rifneno]

Either that or people focus on the qunari because they're totalitarians bent on converting everyone else by force and drugging their slave--I'm sorry, "prisoners" for the little while it takes them to work them to death.

They have NO respect for other cultures, why the hell should I have any for theirs?

[Skilled Seeker]

This thread is addressing the Arishok, not other characters. That's because there seems to be a lot of undeserved devotion for the Arishok. So don't try and divert attention by mentioning the downfalls of other characters. That's not what we're discussing here.

[Dormiglione]

Porenferser wrote...

And he doesn't keep it. Isabela escapes and steals it back.

Thats the rumor.
Varric doesn't know it for sure and Isabella never returns (as she said).

Exactly. Nobody knows for sure. Its just a rumor.

The Arishok cared about other people from other races that converted to the Qun.
He showed respect to the son of the viscount as he told Hawke, that he would not take any advantage of that, even if the Qun would demand it.
The Qunari soldier killed Petrice and said to Hawke: We care about our people. ( The son of the viscount became a Qunari "follower of the Qun")

I said it many times. I respect the Arishok (and Varric) more than every other character of DA2.

[Skilled Seeker]

Blinded by the Qun, you are. A mindless drone, you have become.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Odd... I'd say you are the one blinded. By mindless hate. You kind of remind me of Petrice actually.

[Porenferser]

Right.
You always try to defame others by saying we are fanboys, drones of the Qun or other Bullsh**, but you don't see that you yourself argumentate on blind hate.

Modifié par Porenferser, 06 juin 2011 - 05:15 .

[themonty72]

Man Skilled Seeker really hate everything about the qunaris. i thought they had boldness, discipline,skills, really dedicated of what they believe in they just couldnt tolerate bad doing. And that what they saw bad doing in kirkwall, people poking and poking at them holding racial issues against them because they were different.. im done with his topic -(Why people recspect the Arishok.).Let those others bone heads agree with him who didnt like the arishok.

Modifié par themonty72, 06 juin 2011 - 05:39 .

[Wulfram]

Dormiglione wrote...

The Arishok cared about other people from other races that converted to the Qun.
He showed respect to the son of the viscount as he told Hawke, that he would not take any advantage of that, even if the Qun would demand it.

What he said was something along the lines "the Qun may demand, but I do not."  Which I understood as "I'm not going to take advantage at the moment, but it may be necessary later."  The Arishok was certainly not declaring his intention to ignore a demand of the Qun.

[Trelnam]

My reason is he is badass qunari with epic horns!I didnt read 20 page replies and this prolly mentioned before I am sure...

[Rifneno]

I respect honey badgers on their awesome combat abilities, but they're not parading around as sapient creatures like the qunari. If a race displays human-like intelligence, it should be judged on its actions. And the Arishok's actions are ones of a mass murderer and borderline terrorist. ... And I'd totally put money on the honey badger in a fight against the average qunari. Just saying.

[Dormiglione]

Rifneno wrote...

I respect honey badgers on their awesome combat abilities, but they're not parading around as sapient creatures like the qunari. If a race displays human-like intelligence, it should be judged on its actions. And the Arishok's actions are ones of a mass murderer and borderline terrorist. ... And I'd totally put money on the honey badger in a fight against the average qunari. Just saying.

And how do you judge Meredith? Orsino, who knew about the blood mage who killed Leandra? The fanatic templar who wanted to make every mage a tranquil?

[Well]

Dormiglione wrote...

Porenferser wrote...

And he doesn't keep it. Isabela escapes and steals it back.

Thats the rumor.
Varric doesn't know it for sure and Isabella never returns (as she said).

Exactly. Nobody knows for sure. Its just a rumor.

The Arishok cared about other people from other races that converted to the Qun.
He showed respect to the son of the viscount as he told Hawke, that he would not take any advantage of that, even if the Qun would demand it.
The Qunari soldier killed Petrice and said to Hawke: We care about our people. ( The son of the viscount became a Qunari "follower of the Qun")

I said it many times. I respect the Arishok (and Varric) more than every other character of DA2.

Yes they cared about other races.That is why they kidnapped them.Then when one objected he was killed.The worse part was this self righteous twit lecturing everyone.

[EmperorSahlertz]

You realize that the Arishok was "lecturing" the nobles, becasue they were the reason the city had become the pit of depravity it had. Right?

[Well]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

You realize that the Arishok was "lecturing" the nobles, becasue they were the reason the city had become the pit of depravity it had. Right?

So it is ok to kidnapped people to lecture them?Cool!Many college professors will fill their classrooms.Just a note;Shouldn't he have straighted out his own folks first...the Tal Vashon?

[EmperorSahlertz]

I don't think that he was kidnapping them as much as he was telling them how wrong they were, before killing them. He had no intention of letting any of them go, unless they submitted to the Qun. It was a mass conversion, not a kidnapping.

The Arishok viewed the ineffective nobles of Kirkwall as the cause of Kirkwall's problems, which they were, and he believed he had the tools, the Qun, to fix all the problems. The Arishok is entirely correct in his lecture, taht the nobles are so entirely selfish, that they consume without thought, and only complain when the meal is interrupted. Look at what they have allwoed Kirkwall to become, simply because that they could keep power for themselves.

[Well]

Kidnapping
"The crime of unlawfully seizing and carrying away a person by force or Fraud, or seizing and detaining a person against his or her will with an intent to carry that person away at a later time."

Really?The Arishok couldn't control his own people.The Tal Vashon murdered and plunder caravans.To top that off he was incompetent.Hawke had to do his job to get the book.So how much destruction did he do in and how many were killed to get to the throne room?That is different right?He was worthless as ****** on a boar hog.

[EmperorSahlertz]

And as I said, the Arishok had absolutely no intention of "carrying them away" ever. They would convert or they would die.

and here goes the list:
1: Tal Vasoth aren't his people. And raiding caravans were the only way for the Tal-Vasoth to get supplies. Even then, the Arishok did hunt all Tal-Vasoth in the vicinity of Kirkwall. So that was a rather ignorant statement from you.

2: The Arishok's men found the tome before Hawke did. In fact, if Hawke/Isabela had not gotten in the way chances are the exchange would have ended in the Qunari walking away with the tome. Again, ignorance. You.

3: Yes. It is very different. To fight a battle through a city to get to an objective, is worlds apart from letting a city descend into chaos, fueled by ones own depravity and selfishness, and furthermore showing no interrest to change any of it, because you own needs are settled.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 06 juin 2011 - 08:37 .

[dragonflight288]

I have pointed out repeatedly throughout this thread that the Arishok has qualities and character traits that are worth respecting, even if you disagree with the Qun and their philosophy. If you disagree with the Qun, you'll likely wage war with the Qunari. But you can respect a person's qualities despite not liking them.

Bah, I'm through with this. People who absolutely hate the Arishok won't listen to anything that could mean respect, making their arguments out of blind hate. I'm out of this thread.

[themonty72]

I liked when he kidnapped those nobles and the viscount head came rolling and tumbling.The Ariishok couldn't control his own people when this happen. The tal vashon were no longer Quanri as far as Arishok was concern. Once you leave the pack thats it. He didnt force them to stay they keft own thier own. Of course Hawk had to find the book, hawk was only person worthy to even communicate with Arishok .And when did he commute fraud i must of miss that one.

[Skilled Seeker]

lol he doesn't force them to stay? So why are Qunari obliged to kill Tal Vashoth on sight then? So much ignorance in this thread.

[Porenferser]

In my opinion the Arishok was absolutely right about the nobles.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

lol he doesn't force them to stay? So why are Qunari obliged to kill Tal Vashoth on sight then? So much ignorance in this thread.

And you are the main provider of it. It really is astounding how little you know, and yet how much you are convinced you see.

No, the Arishok does not force the Tal-Vasoth to stay. But the Qun demands that they die. All Qunari are allowed the choice. Live by the Qun or choose death. To become a Tal-Vasoth is to choose death, the Qunari are obligated to kill them, but they do not force Qunari to remain Qunari.

You should at least have the decency to learn everything about something you hate, before you spew it. Otherwise you just appear a mindless drone.

[themonty72]

Skill Seeker, Well, and the rest of you haters need to get together and play this game again. You  must be playing another game or something...got to be. I said on this page  i was finished with the this topic but  the ignorance keep pullling me back in.

Modifié par themonty72, 06 juin 2011 - 09:15 .

[Well]

lol
More power to you.Arishok the Teflon Qunari.
Don't mind a qunari drags a women.That isn't kidnapping.Her foot caught in the qunari's hand.
He said if quanri don't except their role they are killed.Tal Vashon apparently have a free pass.
Because Hawke can talk with Arishok he doesn't need to get off his lazy butt and look for the book.
Emperor
You right I am ignorant.I refuse to let your rationalizing events change my opinion.Your entitled to your opinion not mine.

Dragonflight

"Bah, I'm through with this. People who absolutely hate the Arishok won't listen to anything that could mean respect, making their arguments out of blind hate. I'm out of this thread."

In other words if others don't agree with your opinion it doesn't count?

Themonty72
I don't remember any fraud?