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themonty72 wrote...

Skill Seeker, Well, and the rest of you haters need to get together and play this game again. You  must be playing another game or something...got to be. I said on this page  i was finished with the this topic but  the ignorance keep pullling me back in.

Wow that hurt.Oh ok it didn't.I guess we should just cut and paste your post.The only thing stopping me is your wrong IMHO.

[Skilled Seeker]

Try and rationalise his disgusting brutish behaviour all you want. I will spit on his rotting corpse in every single DA2 playthrough.

[Areksu]

I respect the Arishok and the Qunari like I respect Klingons from Star Trek. It's kind of hard to describe. There is just something about a well oiled, honor bound killing machine that just demands a certain amount of respect.

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Areksu wrote...

I respect the Arishok and the Qunari like I respect Klingons from Star Trek. It's kind of hard to describe. There is just something about a well oiled, honor bound killing machine that just demands a certain amount of respect.

Well you have the right to your opinion but respect is earned in my book and Arishok and the Qunari didn't earn it.

[Dormiglione]

Well wrote...

Dormiglione wrote...

Porenferser wrote...

And he doesn't keep it. Isabela escapes and steals it back.

Thats the rumor.
Varric doesn't know it for sure and Isabella never returns (as she said).

Exactly. Nobody knows for sure. Its just a rumor.

The Arishok cared about other people from other races that converted to the Qun.
He showed respect to the son of the viscount as he told Hawke, that he would not take any advantage of that, even if the Qun would demand it.
The Qunari soldier killed Petrice and said to Hawke: We care about our people. ( The son of the viscount became a Qunari "follower of the Qun")

I said it many times. I respect the Arishok (and Varric) more than every other character of DA2.

Yes they cared about other races.That is why they kidnapped them.Then when one objected he was killed.The worse part was this self righteous twit lecturing everyone.

That was the result of all the insults the Arishok and the Qunari had to endure through all the years. Did you forget about the role of nobility that supported the fanatics? Kidnapped a delegation of Qunaris and killed them? About the fanatics that had stolen the poison of the Qunari and killed a lot of citizens?
How comes that the poison was not released in Uptown where nobility lives?

The Arishok recognized what was the real problem in Kirkwall and responded in the end.
From the view of the Arishok, i understand why he did that and he has my respect.

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Dormiglione wrote...

Well wrote...

Dormiglione wrote...

Porenferser wrote...

And he doesn't keep it. Isabela escapes and steals it back.

Thats the rumor.
Varric doesn't know it for sure and Isabella never returns (as she said).

Exactly. Nobody knows for sure. Its just a rumor.

The Arishok cared about other people from other races that converted to the Qun.
He showed respect to the son of the viscount as he told Hawke, that he would not take any advantage of that, even if the Qun would demand it.
The Qunari soldier killed Petrice and said to Hawke: We care about our people. ( The son of the viscount became a Qunari "follower of the Qun")

I said it many times. I respect the Arishok (and Varric) more than every other character of DA2.

Yes they cared about other races.That is why they kidnapped them.Then when one objected he was killed.The worse part was this self righteous twit lecturing everyone.

That was the result of all the insults the Arishok and the Qunari had to endure through all the years. Did you forget about the role of nobility that supported the fanatics? Kidnapped a delegation of Qunaris and killed them? About the fanatics that had stolen the poison of the Qunari and killed a lot of citizens?
How comes that the poison was not released in Uptown where nobility lives?

The Arishok recognized what was the real problem in Kirkwall and responded in the end.
From the view of the Arishok, i understand why he did that and he has my respect.

Actually the delegation was kidnapped by Petrice's former bodyguard.The group with him were commoners from the looks of their clothing.The elf and her compatriots how are they linked to the nobles?Just a note it wasnt used in Darktown either.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The problem isn't that the incidents are connected with the nobles, it is taht they allow them to happen. They allow priestesses to rule, when clearly that is the role of the nobles, they are commiting one of the worst crimes a Qunari can imagine. To forsake one's duty.

[Skilled Seeker]

Death to the barbaric Qun! The Arishok is only the start!

[Fangirl17]

I remember in my first playthrough I was scared of him so my Hawke was nice to him XD I mean he's so intimidating. I dunno I thought his character was well written. In his eyes what he was doing was logical and made sense for his character. I cant really explain it,he was just written in a way that his views are very extreme but there is just something about him that makes me respect him, doesn't mean I approve of his actions though.

[Rifneno]

What it boils down to is people defending the qunari mostly either hand-waving the qunari's own failings or just blatantly being belligerent and slinging mud (themonty72) while most of the anti-qunari posts are presenting a thoughtful analysis of why they're anti-qunari.

For instance, the constant complaints about how Kirkwall's intolerance and racism towards the qunari when only some fringe elements were acting so. And I might add, they had damn good reason to. Andrastian countries' past experience with the qunari consisted of the qunari launching an unprovoked continent-wide war where people who didn't want to give up everything from their families to their very names were only outright killed if they were lucky. Now these same monsters show up again in a dreadnought full of warriors, not fishermen or some such innocent trade, and they blatantly lie in claiming to be "waiting for another boat" for THREE YEARS. If anything, Kirkwall was far too tolerant of those beasts. Only a moron would trust that these brutal, inhumane butchers who are blatantly lying about their purpose.

But I'm sure this'll just lead to more accusations of racism because I think a culture that has proven itself an enemy should be treated as such.

[Goldrock]

They remind me of klingons or orc from WoW they are a warrior bred race and honor bound normally from what i gather.

[Porenferser]

Is it an argument to see a Culture as an eternal enemy because they have started a war more then 300 years ago?

If yes, then Germany should be the most hated country in the world, but it isn't.
Past is past and can't be undone.

And one more time:
The Qunari didn't have an attack in mind originally, they attack because they were provoked.

But anyway, this is talking to the wind I'm out of this thread as well.

[Rifneno]

Porenferser wrote...

Is it an argument to see a Culture as an eternal enemy because they have started a war more then 300 years ago?

If yes, then Germany should be the most hated country in the world, but it isn't.
Past is past and can't be undone.

And one more time:
The Qunari didn't have an attack in mind originally, they attack because they were provoked.

But anyway, this is talking to the wind I'm out of this thread as well.

If the **** party still ruled Germany and still held the same ideas, it would be the most hated country. Rather, they're so disdainful of that past that that it's outright against the law to do a **** salute (obvious exceptions for things like TV or plays). The qunari, OTOH, still hold to the same philosophies that led to invade, murder, and enslave in an attempt to wipe out all other ways of life. Talking to the wind indeed. Try a comparison that's remotely appropriate next time.

[Skilled Seeker]

Indeed, Germany has changed, the Qunari have not. These arguments are ridiculously poor.

[oldmansavage]

Being one of the only interesting characters in DA 2 nets you a good deal of respect.

[Dormiglione]

Well wrote...

Dormiglione wrote...


That was the result of all the insults the Arishok and the Qunari had to endure through all the years. Did you forget about the role of nobility that supported the fanatics? Kidnapped a delegation of Qunaris and killed them? About the fanatics that had stolen the poison of the Qunari and killed a lot of citizens?
How comes that the poison was not released in Uptown where nobility lives?

The Arishok recognized what was the real problem in Kirkwall and responded in the end.
From the view of the Arishok, i understand why he did that and he has my respect.

Actually the delegation was kidnapped by Petrice's former bodyguard.The group with him were commoners from the looks of their clothing.The elf and her compatriots how are they linked to the nobles?Just a note it wasnt used in Darktown either.

And some of the guard helped to kidnap the Qunari delegation. Remember, Aveline went with Hawke to the "Hanged Man", there was one of the Guard showing up with the money that he earned by helping to kidnap the qunari. He was bribed. As far as i remember there were more than one guard who helped.

As for the nobles. I remember a conversation between the viscount and Hawke. Hawke asked the viscount, why they wouldnt get rid of the Qunari. The viscount said, that they had not enough man or whatever to force the qunari to go away.
In this conversation the viscount told Hawke that there was also a problem with a group of fanatics that were constantly provocating the qunari. Hawke asked why this couldnt be solved, the answer from the viscount was, that some nobility supported them.

[themonty72]

I cant believe players still giving in to Skill Seeker and this rag topic.Stop feeding into his trap.You wasting your time.

Modifié par themonty72, 07 juin 2011 - 07:21 .

[Rifneno]

Dormiglione wrote...

And some of the guard helped to kidnap the Qunari delegation. Remember, Aveline went with Hawke to the "Hanged Man", there was one of the Guard showing up with the money that he earned by helping to kidnap the qunari. He was bribed. As far as i remember there were more than one guard who helped.

As for the nobles. I remember a conversation between the viscount and Hawke. Hawke asked the viscount, why they wouldnt get rid of the Qunari. The viscount said, that they had not enough man or whatever to force the qunari to go away.
In this conversation the viscount told Hawke that there was also a problem with a group of fanatics that were constantly provocating the qunari. Hawke asked why this couldnt be solved, the answer from the viscount was, that some nobility supported them.

As I said earlier, if anything they were too easy on the qunari. They're a bunch of butchers who are only at an uneasy peace because they got beaten into it, and they've got a bunch of warriors "waiting for a boat" for three full years.

[Dormiglione]

Rifneno wrote...

Dormiglione wrote...

And some of the guard helped to kidnap the Qunari delegation. Remember, Aveline went with Hawke to the "Hanged Man", there was one of the Guard showing up with the money that he earned by helping to kidnap the qunari. He was bribed. As far as i remember there were more than one guard who helped.

As for the nobles. I remember a conversation between the viscount and Hawke. Hawke asked the viscount, why they wouldnt get rid of the Qunari. The viscount said, that they had not enough man or whatever to force the qunari to go away.
In this conversation the viscount told Hawke that there was also a problem with a group of fanatics that were constantly provocating the qunari. Hawke asked why this couldnt be solved, the answer from the viscount was, that some nobility supported them.

As I said earlier, if anything they were too easy on the qunari. They're a bunch of butchers who are only at an uneasy peace because they got beaten into it, and they've got a bunch of warriors "waiting for a boat" for three full years.

This is one of my post in this thread. I think it explains very well what happened and how it leads to the final desaster
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/304/index/7462212/17#7534309

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Dormiglione wrote...

Well wrote...

Dormiglione wrote...


That was the result of all the insults the Arishok and the Qunari had to endure through all the years. Did you forget about the role of nobility that supported the fanatics? Kidnapped a delegation of Qunaris and killed them? About the fanatics that had stolen the poison of the Qunari and killed a lot of citizens?
How comes that the poison was not released in Uptown where nobility lives?

The Arishok recognized what was the real problem in Kirkwall and responded in the end.
From the view of the Arishok, i understand why he did that and he has my respect.

Actually the delegation was kidnapped by Petrice's former bodyguard.The group with him were commoners from the looks of their clothing.The elf and her compatriots how are they linked to the nobles?Just a note it wasnt used in Darktown either.

And some of the guard helped to kidnap the Qunari delegation. Remember, Aveline went with Hawke to the "Hanged Man", there was one of the Guard showing up with the money that he earned by helping to kidnap the qunari. He was bribed. As far as i remember there were more than one guard who helped.

As for the nobles. I remember a conversation between the viscount and Hawke. Hawke asked the viscount, why they wouldnt get rid of the Qunari. The viscount said, that they had not enough man or whatever to force the qunari to go away.
In this conversation the viscount told Hawke that there was also a problem with a group of fanatics that were constantly provocating the qunari. Hawke asked why this couldnt be solved, the answer from the viscount was, that some nobility supported them.

Some nobles fine.Not all.Also the guard was bribed to look the other way.How many besides the one lone corrupt guard at the tavern?Same as Hawke had to work off a bribe to get into Kirkwall.I wouldn't say the guards were with him.

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themonty72 wrote...

I cant believe players still giving in to Skill Seeker and this rag topic.Stop feeding into his trap.You wasting your time.

Apparently your still giving in. It makes my day when someone lectures others while doing the same thing.

[Netem]

I'd like to try my hand at explaining why I respect the Arishok, but I don't know if the original question is still relevant after 20+ pages? I've just skimmed them, and it seems the discussion has sort of moved on, or am I mistaken?

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Netem wrote...

I'd like to try my hand at explaining why I respect the Arishok, but I don't know if the original question is still relevant after 20+ pages? I've just skimmed them, and it seems the discussion has sort of moved on, or am I mistaken?

Go for the gusto.You have a right to your opinion as does everyone else.

Modifié par Well, 07 juin 2011 - 09:44 .

[FieryDove]

Areksu wrote...

I respect the Arishok and the Qunari like I respect Klingons from Star Trek. It's kind of hard to describe. There is just something about a well oiled, honor bound killing machine that just demands a certain amount of respect.

That and he won me over with the Sten version of *No*.

[Netem]

So, first of all, I respect the Arishok because he has the power to take over Kirkwall (according to the Viscount, and later demonstrated by the end of act II), but doesn't. It would probably have been easier to take over/raze the city and accomplish his objective that way, yet he chooses to restrict his army and find the tome (e.g. Ashaad mapping the coast) while trying to maintain a semblance of peace.

On a more personal level, I think it's interesting how he handles adversity. If you tell him that you killed Arvaarad, he's impressed by Hawke's prowess instead of being vengeful, simply warning you not to do it again. If you oppose him by siding with Ser Varnell, he tells you he's looking forward to your death, "as should you." No going after family or blackmailing, á la Meredith.

The Arishok also seems to be the only person who realizes that Kirkwall is indeed a mess, and it's nice of him to acknowledge this -- at times, it feels like no one except Hawke/player sees it. And I know this is a much debated topic, but I also think it's pretty amazing that he's the only one doing something about it. Point in fact, he genuinely believes he's going to improve Kirkwall, as opposed to the nobles and the Viscount, or even Meredith. If nothing else, I respect that intention, even if I'm going to have to disagree about the invasion.

The situation with the elves -- I respect him for protecting them, when obviously no one else could be bothered. If Merrill's conversations are of any indication, as well as the various quests in the Alienage, then there is very little justice to be had for elves in Kirkwall. I think it's telling that it's almost exclusively elves turning to the Qun, and in spite of the fact that the Qunari are not actively converting.

Honesty -- I don't expect him to be up front about matters related to warfare. I actually include the tome in this, because I'm pretty sure someone, be it Tevinter mages or Chantry extremists, would have been all over it, had they realized what it was. However, he gives Hawke a warning when the saar-qamek is stolen, as well as withdraws as promised if he is given both the tome and Isabella.

Furthermore, he has a sense of humor -- he even tells a joke. Twice. In four years time.