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[blothulfur]

Anaan esaam Qun.

Why is the Arishok respected you ask? Because he rose from the ranks of the antaam to lead the body of the qunari with wisdom and guile, because his own deeds and knowledge of the Qun secured him his position and not a "noble" ancestors long forgotten domination, because cast adrift in a foreign den of filth and depravity he conquered and gained his prize despite the plotting of bas and saarebas, because he returned to us the tome of Koslun and the thief who dared lay hands upon it.

Anything else you hear are lies spun by saarebas who should not have tongues to whine in the first place or the empty boasts of a braggart dwarf.

Ataash qunari.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Abispa wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Abispa wrote...
Wow, don't tell that to the farmers who found Sten without his sword.

But he admits it's a mistake and he is very regretful to have lost it like this. Immediately after in fact (hence why he did't run). 

He went insane because, in his "highly logical" culture depicted in DA:O, he would be known as "soulless" and "deserter" because no longer had possession of a piece of metal.

Because he was careless enough to lose his custom made weapon in hostile lands.

But ok I concede, maybe they were not very logical. But still, I didn't get the impression they were as superstitious as DA2 made it look like.

Well they didn't really do anything other than what Sten said they do with mages. In fact they are slightly more lenient than he let on because he seemed to give the impression that ALL qunari mages have their tongues cut out.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
Well they didn't really do anything other than what Sten said they do with mages.

They kill those who hear mages speak. Quite abritrarily as the Qunari behind the arebaas heard him as well.

[TEWR]

An excellent point.  He had no chance of victory.  None.  He was only successful because the aspect of surprise was still in effect.  Once the city's three main forces (city guard, templars, mages) rallied into an organized counterattack, it was over.  Even if by a miracle he did beat them, the few remaining forces he had left would have to fend off the rest of the Free Marches when they came to take back what's theirs.  The Arishok led his men to a suicide attack, plain and simple.

Rifneno the Arishok's forces weren't just limited to the Kossith he brought with him. He also had elven supporters. If he did win, I'm willing to bet 85% of the alienage would've submitted to the Qun and the Arishok may have enlisted them as soldiers under the Qun to defend Kirkwall. At the very least until reinforcements from Par Vollen arrived, because I imagine he would've sent word to them that he has now taken Kirkwall.

I would think Lowtown and Darktown's inhabitants would convert because they'd be promised a better life.

@OP: I respect him for many reasons.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 25 mai 2011 - 06:36 .

[Augustei]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

An excellent point.  He had no chance of victory.  None.  He was only successful because the aspect of surprise was still in effect.  Once the city's three main forces (city guard, templars, mages) rallied into an organized counterattack, it was over.  Even if by a miracle he did beat them, the few remaining forces he had left would have to fend off the rest of the Free Marches when they came to take back what's theirs.  The Arishok led his men to a suicide attack, plain and simple.

Rifneno the Arishok's forces weren't just limited to the Kossith he brought with him. He also had elven supporters. If he did win, I'm willing to bet 85% of the alienage would've submitted to the Qun and the Arishok may have enlisted them as soldiers under the Qun to defend Kirkwall. At the very least until reinforcements from Par Vollen arrived, because I imagine he would've sent word to them that he has now taken Kirkwall.

I would think Lowtown and Darktown's inhabitants would convert because they'd be promised a better life.

@OP: I respect him for many reasons.

Viddathari soldiers? Unlikely. they will be placed in quarentine zones while the Qamek is unleashed.. The Kossith will deal with the rest

[Skilled Seeker]

iOnlySignIn wrote...
her sister won't be forced into the circle/be abducted

Yeah, her sister would be chained up, have her mouth stitched and watched over by another all her life, even when bathing or taking a dump. That's so much better than the Circle.

[Skilled Seeker]

Abispa wrote...
Also, the Rivani have been ruled by the Qunari for years

Actually the majority follow the Qun but they rule themselves. Their political relationship with the kossith is unknown.

[Chugster]

i lost all respect when he asked me to hand over Izzy to answer for her crime, right after he refused to hand over 2 elves to answer for their crimes, i really hate hypocrites and relish taking that horned **** down

[The dead fish]

I respect Arishock as a character, but I don't like Qun, which condemns individuality and freedom. I totally support Petric, who is right about Qunari and their damn philosophy that came in a city that's not theirs.

And the story has no meaning, or the Arishok is a fool. Qunari had NO chance of defeating Kirkwall.

The circle of Kirkwall is the most powerful of Thedas, + the Templars is the most powerful of eastern Thedas + Civil Guard led by Aveline. The circle is supposed to contain thousands of mages. And so, many Templars to watch them.

But, Varric talk about a hundred qunari shipwrecked. They lost most of their equipment into the sea. That's why we see many of them that are NAKED TORSOS.

Under-equipped and outnumbered, it was a suicide attack. They were not numerous enough to control the lower town, or the Upper Town. And yet the cutscenes show they walk quietly in the city, not even worried, and doing what they want. No sense.

And speaking of reinforcements, makes no sense either. Par Vollen is separated from the sea.
How long to travel to Kirkwall to come help Qunari in poor posture in one night ?

[Chuvvy]

You don't have to like someone to respect them.

[Skilled Seeker]

Chugster wrote...

i lost all respect when he asked me to hand over Izzy to answer for her crime, right after he refused to hand over 2 elves to answer for their crimes, i really hate hypocrites and relish taking that horned **** down

Good point. Arishok is a cowardly hypocrite on so many levels.

[Chuvvy]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Chugster wrote...

i lost all respect when he asked me to hand over Izzy to answer for her crime, right after he refused to hand over 2 elves to answer for their crimes, i really hate hypocrites and relish taking that horned **** down

Good point. Arishok is a cowardly hypocrite on so many levels.

To be fair thier sister had been raped. and nothing was done about it.. And to be fair Isabela stole their most sacred religious artifact. The equivalent of someone making off with Mecca. (not sure how they'd do it, probably hide it under a shirt.)

[Skilled Seeker]

lol Mecca is a city you know.

[Perles75]

People respect the Arishok because it's a powerful figure and does not bend to compromises, something that cannot be said for most of Kirkwall citizens.

Personally I cannot stand the philosophy of the Qunari, looks like fascist brainwashing.

[blothulfur]

Anaan esaam Qun.

You prattle of freedom when the groaning tables of your nobility sag under the the weight of the food and drink produced by your peasant slaves, you speak of individuality when no man is judged on his deeds but only on the blood handed down from some long dead ancestor, you accuse the Arishok of cowardice when he is alone in making a stand against the fattened pigs who oppress their people and the criminals who prey upon them and you speak of hypocrisy when two men who carried the meaning of justice to a criminal are protected while a pirate and thief is rendered still with the qamek and made to pay for her crimes through a lifetime of labour and service as is only right.

The Arishok took the plateau upon which the fattened pig rulers of Kirkwall crow over their slaves toil, a high point accessed by a single stair and held it until the mass murderer Hawke brought him the tome of Koslun and its thief, he acted while your entire city teetered on the edge of the abyss of unknowing as your rulers and templars should have a acted long ago and thus showed the common man that he need not slave under the leash of inbred fops or a non existent god for in the north is freedom under the Qun.

And when he had the words of the first in hand he left without a word knowing that one day it would be more than his personal bodyguard that would come to this city and both slaves and masters would be enlightened by the Qun.

Ataash qunari.

[Rifneno]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Rifneno the Arishok's forces weren't just limited to the Kossith he brought with him. He also had elven supporters. If he did win, I'm willing to bet 85% of the alienage would've submitted to the Qun and the Arishok may have enlisted them as soldiers under the Qun to defend Kirkwall. At the very least until reinforcements from Par Vollen arrived, because I imagine he would've sent word to them that he has now taken Kirkwall.

I would think Lowtown and Darktown's inhabitants would convert because they'd be promised a better life.

@OP: I respect him for many reasons.

He had a handful of elven supporters, who like him were underequipped. The Viscount complains about losing "an entire street" to the qunari. One street, that's all it took the contain them even when their numbers were highest before the desertions and deaths. There weren't many qunari, it would've been a miracle for him to successfully take Kirkwall once the city's defenders rallied for a unified counterattack.

But that's still more likely than reinforcements. Reinforcements is a pipe dream. There was no chance of that. Par Vollen is... well, the only real measurement of distance we have to go on in Thedas is Alistair telling us the Anderfels is over a thousand miles from Ferelden. Par Vollen is nearly as far from the Free Marches. Add in that most of that route is Tevinter territory, meaning they'd have to go by ship the whole way. A thousand mile ride in a boat before engines were invented? And that's each way, so double that time frame. We're talking months before reinforcements could get there. Add in the danger of sea voyages (ancient low technology ships have ****** poor survival rates in sea storms) in an area crawling with pirates and it's debatable whether his message would ever even reach Par Vollen. Provided the Qunari wouldn't kill his messenger on arrival since they're denied Par Vollen until they recover the tome. Oh, and doing this would reduce his already pathetic number of soldiers. Which he'll desperately need when the rest of the Free Marches comes knocking. With swords. So overall, I think his chances of reinforcements are right up there with Michael Vick being named PETA's man of the year.

I stand by my original assessment. That oxbeast was leading a suicide attack and he knew it. And if I may steal a trite line from the anti-Anders posters, validating the fears of every Mother Petrice out there.

Chugster wrote...

i lost all respect when he asked me to hand over Izzy to answer for her crime, right after he refused to hand over 2 elves to answer for their crimes, i really hate hypocrites and relish taking that horned **** down

Excellent point. I wanna smack myself for not noticing that.

Slidell505 wrote...

You don't have to like someone to respect them.

That's very true. But the Arishok isn't worthy of either. He's a coward as well as a murderer and a hypocrite if you ask me. Even if Hawke has his respect, he tries to kill Hawke in a surprise attack with his spear-throwing goons so he doesn't have to face the one human he knows can stand up to him. Even trying to weasel out of it at the keep if possible. Scum. I'm hard pressed to think of anyone in DA2 I respect less. Sebastian maybe, and even that's iffy.

Slidell505 wrote...

To be fair thier sister had been raped. and nothing was done about it.. And to be fair Isabela stole their most sacred religious artifact. The equivalent of someone making off with Mecca. (not sure how they'd do it, probably hide it under a shirt.)

They claimed their sister was raped. The Arishok has no way of knowing, and really doesn't care. As for their tome, I'd like to show it the same respect that Sten showed Andraste's ashes. Unfortunately its pages are a bit big for my chamberpot.

[Xilizhra]

They claimed their sister was raped. The Arishok has no way of knowing, and really doesn't care. As for their tome, I'd like to show it the same respect that Sten showed Andraste's ashes. Unfortunately its pages are a bit big for my chamberpot.

I'd rather sell it to Tevinter myself. Maybe they can get some kind of use out of it.

[Rifneno]

Xilizhra wrote...

They claimed their sister was raped. The Arishok has no way of knowing, and really doesn't care. As for their tome, I'd like to show it the same respect that Sten showed Andraste's ashes. Unfortunately its pages are a bit big for my chamberpot.

I'd rather sell it to Tevinter myself. Maybe they can get some kind of use out of it.

The only thing I want to send to Tevinter would have a timer on it.

[blothulfur]

Anaan esaam Qun.

Destroy the tome of Koslun, smear it with excrement and cast it aside and yet still the Qun shall endure and come to conquer all. Know this as you are judged.

Ataash qunari.

On a side note we realise you do not yet have paper for wiping your arses in thedas, only parchment so if I may make a suggestion use mage tongues as that way they at last serve a useful purpose. The human Hawke told us he used the scalp of his sister princess Monotoney but that seems a trifle messy and hard to clean afterwards.

The Qun grants you this wisdom freely, listen and benefit.

[Scottish TaZeR]

Pure Badass?

[Rifneno]

...

Sorry, did you say something? I was busy thinking about how I should display these horns over my mantle.

[blothulfur]

Anaan esaam Qun.

Well try to help people and they'll seek to mount your non esistent horns, I shall desist for you bas are all mad and ungrateful.

Ataash qunari.

[HSHAW]

@blothulfur: How will the Qunari react when Sandal's prophecy comes to pass and everybody becomes a Saarebas?

[Fast Jimmy]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Orlais and Nevarra are just around and they'd move in. Kirkwall is a key commercial hub in the Waking sea, why would Nevarra and Orlais ever tolerate it falling in qunari hands? Plus, it's an opportunty to spread influence.
They are closer to Kirkwall than Par Vollen is.

Again, I refer to the fact that any government or religious order would need to deliberate, determine a course of action, rally troops, organize supplies... Qunari are perfectly fine to show up shirtless and carrying just their swords to a battle, with maybe some cannons. The Arishok only need to say "send three batallions to be ready for siege war" and they would be on their way.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Second, that's assuming that the other 2 Qunari leaders are willing to start a war just for the Arishok, who unilateraly broke the treaty without their consent.

The Arishok isn't making stuff up when he says the Qun demands it. What makes you think that the other two leaders wouldn't take one glance at the situation and not come to the exact same decision? Plus, the other two leaders have no control over the military. They would no sooner tell the Arishok to not declare war than he would tell them what type of baskets need weaving or when to schedule city wide meditation. It is the province of the Arishok to control, command and decide all military actions. If he acts only as the Qun guides him, he would not need permission, as anyone who follows the Qun would automatically agree.

[blothulfur]

Anaan esaam Qun.

HSHAW You listen not to the wisdom of the Qun but heed the ravings of one lyrium touched, I despair for the bas and sometimes think you are beyond enlightenment. But worry not the Qun shall endure and conquer even prophecy, this is a constant in an ever changing world.

Ataash qunari.

Modifié par blothulfur, 25 mai 2011 - 11:58 .