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[Xaijin]

Dear BioWare, since you've decided to retool the sexual orientation of certain characters in order to appease a certain demographic and focused on giving custom models long hair in order to accommodate yet another userbase section, it's time you got one retooling squad makeup then with the extra time you've been given.

See if you can go ahead and retool dialog and have VO callbacks for new romantical type stuff, then you can just go ahead and go the extra mile.

See what I want is to be able to pick my squad, period. Yes, yes: I'm aware there are story specific appearance caveats and like the rest of the fetishized polarized fanbase, I'm just going to ignore that and not care about the logistical concerns thereof.

My fave SNPCs are Garrus, Wrex and Legion, and I'd like to use them for the entirety of the game, period. Picking other characters for race/story specific concerns is fine, but the majority of the time I want to be able to pick who the hell I please to buddy up with.

AFAIC, this is just as reasonable as getting new sexual orientation options, and should be a primary concern.

I wanna go straight to Tuchanka from Earth and after dealing with whatever reaperesque situations and sidequests are there, then go straight to Geth facility #242 and pick up the official ambassador to meatbags and then galavant around.

If you can spend the time coming up with new romance scenarios, then you can come with "generic" SNPC combat dialog for every character and allow those characters to tag along, and the attendant skill trees to go with. after all the animations and dependency interactions are already there.

If Tali becomes super uber admiral vas Quariana, that's great; she can get right back to that after I'm done using her for what I want her to do, shooting bad guys and hacking terminals

If Jack is now biotic councilor to underprivileged kids in Cartagena, good for her; I'll be sure and drop her back off at her swank new office when I'm done putting my foot in Harbinger's ass.

Mordin has to fix the genophage, well that's great and everything, but it can wait til the galaxy is safe. Meantime, he needs to set fire to stuff for me.

If you're spending the extra resources for retooling romantic and off-main-story interaction and stuff like long hair, then you can just go ahead and do the fanbase a solid and allow them to use whomever the hell they want in the game they bought and paid for, with all the combat bells and whistles to boot.

Modifié par Xaijin, 25 mai 2011 - 09:16 .

[DrRedrum]

..... You kinda have a point. Its just not really fleshed out.
Just to be sure, you just want to use Wrex and Legion, no one else right? Then why mention Jack and Tali?

[Rip504]

I somewhat agree with this also. I want to be able to use my crew from ME1 & 2 in ME3,isn't that half the point of ME2? Tali from begining to end. Not only in ME3,but ME1 through ME3!

[Kabanya101]

That would be nice to choose a team from a group of characters, but that won't happen. Mordin and Legion are non playable characters. Captain Anderson and Wrex are temporary. Kaiden/Ashley is dead.

So, Liara and Virmire survivor are confirmed. So have Garrus and Tali, so don't worry about them. Then there's Vega, whoever that is. That's five characters, and there will probably be a pool of ten to choose six from, so fill in the blanks with those left.

It would be nice to have the whole team again, but Bioware won't do that, too much space and writing to do. They postponed the game for four months, maybe at the most, so they are redoing the love interest stuff, and probably fixing the customization, nothing else. Sorry to dampen your mood.

[Destroy Raiden_]

We've talked about this before! Anyway I would too like to be able to literally handpick my crew from everybody in ME - ME3 using SB base I can readup on them both in their lives and on the battlefield and I can watch them in action via the vids at the base. I already know I want, need, and have to have Garrus and Tali as FT permanent squad mates for my crew beyond that if say I have 6 more spaces I could fill I use the resources Liara has on everybody in the galaxy and find out Sia a female Drell living on Mars not only Eats sushi but is a kick as biotic scientist I see she worked to do some major medical treatment like find the cure for kepler's syndrome and I decide I want her so I go to Mars and get her. I could mix and match potential crew mates from characters in ME - ME3 so if I want as many of the ME team back on the ship I can if I want a mix of ME and ME2 I can.

I never liked how in ME2 we got dossiers and that was that we either got them or we didn't but we didn't get to replace the ones we didn't want to pick up so say I didn't want Jack well I just have an empty room I can't go out in ME2 and find a stable kick ass biotic Asari to replace her or decide I don't need a 4th biotic what I need is a soldier so I want to go get Ash I couldn't do that in ME2. So I want to do that in ME3. I don't have to exchange a class for the same class I can exchange it with a totally different class so say I want a team of 8 consisting of biotics and adepts if I can find 8 of these people I could do that or do it so my biotics and adepts out number all other classes on the ship or I could do a playthorugh were my ship has 5 soldiers, 2 engineers, and 1 biotic my choice my crew I could calibrate my squad on their personalities too so if all 8 peeps are totally selfish pricks and that's how I roll I could do that or get a mix of positive, neutral, and loner types.

[Xaijin]

DrRedrum wrote...

..... You kinda have a point. Its just not really fleshed out.
Just to be sure, you just want to use Wrex and Legion, no one else right? Then why mention Jack and Tali?

It's fleshed out; you're simply not grasping context.

ANY character that was purposefully slotted to do X, should be capable of being used as an SNPC throught the entirety of the game, period.

Same/Dual Gender romance was something that "couldn't be done", except now it is, same for new geometry on top of your head, also "out of logistical reach"... except not.

If again, heading to the first example, Wrex has assets made for those parts of the game he is present for, and as a "temp/scenario" SNPC no less, there's pretty much no reason not to alter whatever happens at X so that character is free to accompany Shepard with standardized skill trees and combat dialog.

"Wrex can't leave Tuchanka cause 'blah'" is pretty much a cop out, especially in light of new chars for me3, and retooling certain chars for new romance options, which is OPTIONAL content and isn't even germane to the thrust of the main story.

Bearing that in mind, there's no reason that X character cannot in fact accompany Shepard to those parts of the game not directly relevant, whether contextual dialog is present or not for that character.

The alternative is potentially marginalizing those characters who aren't full term, which is a disservice to those who expended effort keeping them alive in the first place... in addition to making Me2 even more irrelevant to the greater scheme than it seems to be now, Cerberus issues notwithstanding.

Modifié par Xaijin, 25 mai 2011 - 09:28 .

[ElitePinecone]

I like this idea, the artificial barriers preventing characters from being recruited at certain points always seemed a little... odd.

This is a galaxy-saving war, and Shepard should be given damn well whatever it is s/he wants. I can't think of a reason why any character would decline being recruited at a certain point, given that the alternative is... y'know... the destruction of all life in the galaxy.

I also agree that marginalising ME2 characters risks making the second installment rather pointless in terms of the series' overall narrative arc; it's apparent that we'll meet up with them at certain points where their stories interact with Shepard's goals (Tali/Legion for the geth/quarian conflict, for example) but it'd be nice if some of them featured as more than a cameo.

[Undertone]

Nice thread OP. Too short on time to comment more in depth unfortunately.

[Wittand25]

While I somewhat agree with the OP, there is a problem with the request unlike hair, which only concerns on department and is a feature that does not affect development of the rest of the game or s/s romances that can be made rather cheaply having all the old NPCs recruit able is not easily
Possible, it might even impossible to do without reducing the quality of the NPC-companions. Think of all the overlap in powers which will become worse with the power expansion that will come in ME3 or on all the dialog needed for the rest of the game. ME2 was bad enough in that regard with all the squad mates only rarely reacting to the environment outside their specific missions a bigger pool of possible squad-mates would make this even worse..

[nicodeemus327]

Disagree. Whatever makes for better story and characters. If that means Mordin is off fixing the genophage (or whatever the case may be) then so be it.

Modifié par nicodeemus327, 25 mai 2011 - 04:31 .

[Xaijin]

Wittand25 wrote...

While I somewhat agree with the OP, there is a problem with the request unlike hair, which only concerns on department and is a feature that does not affect development of the rest of the game or s/s romances that can be made rather cheaply having all the old NPCs recruit able is not easily
Possible, it might even impossible to do without reducing the quality of the NPC-companions. Think of all the overlap in powers which will become worse with the power expansion that will come in ME3 or on all the dialog needed for the rest of the game. ME2 was bad enough in that regard with all the squad mates only rarely reacting to the environment outside their specific missions a bigger pool of possible squad-mates would make this even worse..

Being able to bring those characters along adds direct replay value, especially if other characters have larger potentialities at certain events.

I'm fairly certain you're already going to get overlap, as there are only so many tech/biotic/ancillary power available even among a roster cut in half, and there was already overlap in ME1, much less 2. That's not actually an issue. If your current mission seems "stacked" the reason why will be rather obvious in regard to skill trees. Shepard also has overlap by job.

In regard to furthering the endgame, certain characters are ALREADY the odd man out, unless BW is going allow "one story dude/dudette" along with Shepard for this mission, and I think we've already seen that's not the case.

"Bringing along so and so does nothing for advancement": well, that works once. If you're metagaming for a specific end, then by all means, there's an obvious venue for replay; question being, is that enough to incite multiple playthroughs? Not necessarily. People have spent a number of years with characters, and those attachments might be a larger reason for value enhancement than "story potentiality" reveal.

While BW may touch on certain characters as part of further DLC, I think we've seen that's not necessarily a guarantee either. Liara received her day in the sun, Kaishley didn't.  Allowing direct furtherance, even only through combat, can enhance the product's inherent value, no more, no less.

Modifié par Xaijin, 26 mai 2011 - 05:50 .

[Volus Warlord]

No no no no!

First off, the Mirandafication of Ashley is to appeal to more male gamers, who in general prefer the women displayed in games to be sexual fantasies rather than developed and consistent characters.

Next, the whole impressing homosexuality/bisexuality upon previously developed characters is to advance Bioware's political agenda. It has nothing to do with trying to reach demographics.

Tl:dr, no appeasement for you.

[Blacklash93]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Next, the whole impressing homosexuality/bisexuality upon previously developed characters is to advance Bioware's political agenda. It has nothing to do with trying to reach demographics.

You silly people with your baseless allegations of political agendas.

Also, Bioware never said they're going to tamper with the sexualities of established characters. In fact, they've implied quite the opposite.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 26 mai 2011 - 01:47 .

[Volus Warlord]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Next, the whole impressing homosexuality/bisexuality upon previously developed characters is to advance Bioware's political agenda. It has nothing to do with trying to reach demographics.

You silly people with your baseless allegations of political agendas.

Also, Bioware never said they're going to tamper with the sexualities of established characters. In fact, they've implied quite the opposite.

I'm just steeling myself for gross disappointment with how they handle the bisexualification of ME3. Expect the worst, be pleasantly surprised, right?

[kglaser]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Also, Bioware never said they're going to tamper with the sexualities of established characters. In fact, they've implied quite the opposite.

Thank God!!!!

[AngelicMachinery]

Appeasement? Aww, how cute.

[Reapinger]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Appeasement? Aww, how cute.

Not as cute as asinine sarcasm. 

[Darkhour]

You gotta **** and moan alittle more and call everybody who doesn't agree with you something-phobes. Keep complaining about how you are being discriminated against all the while you discriminate against other minorities and argue ot keep what they want out.

[Moiaussi]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Next, the whole impressing homosexuality/bisexuality upon previously developed characters is to advance Bioware's political agenda. It has nothing to do with trying to reach demographics.

Tl:dr, no appeasement for you.

You have never had someone who you didn't realize is gay proposition you, I take it. Or for that matter had someone of the opposite sex not start flirting with you until they got to know you better or until you expressly showed interest.

I know some people think they have 'gaydar' and some people endlessly speculate who is gay and who isn't. That doesn't mean they are always right.

And also why are orientations assumed to be consistant between playthroughs? Shepard isn't necessarily the same gender let alone same orientation. That does not  mean all Shepards are trannies.

[Xaijin]

Volus Warlord wrote...

No no no no!

First off, the Mirandafication of Ashley is to appeal to more male gamers, who in general prefer the women displayed in games to be sexual fantasies rather than developed and consistent characters.

Next, the whole impressing homosexuality/bisexuality upon previously developed characters is to advance Bioware's political agenda. It has nothing to do with trying to reach demographics.

Tl:dr, no appeasement for you.

Except this has jack to with mirandafying Ashley.

In my canon plaything I won't ever notice because Ashley's dead, for one thing, and that kinda goes to the point. BW is creating assets I potentially may never see. That's kinda the risk you take. People who blowed up Wrex will miss created assets in two other games ("three" if they never recruited him to begin with). Those assets took time and money. What I'm asking is for is a maximization of that, based on my user preferences in relation to the game's combat.

demographics = large groups of insert thing here (pun probably intended) = large groups of potential customers.

Welp, welcome to a built in demographic that to would like to be able to actively cultivate having made "choices" (under bioware's definition of choices) based on purchasing two previous copies of their product and ACTIVELY controlling the logistical throughput thereof.

Modifié par Xaijin, 26 mai 2011 - 05:51 .

[Moiaussi]

Xaijin wrote...

Except this has jack to with mirandafying Ashley.

Wait..... Jack did whaaaaaat to Ashley???????

[mineralica]

I think lack of ability to recruit anyone in any possible time is caused by the fact on a consoles you can play ME2 without installing it on hard drive. Correct me if I'm wrong. So for example, you want to get Samara before anyone else - switch to disc 2. Then you use Samara on Garrus' recruitment - switch to disc 1. Then... etc, etc, etc. It isn't very appealing to constantly have both discs at hand.

[Darkhour]

Moiaussi wrote...

You have never had someone who you didn't realize is gay proposition you, I take it.

No. Because they are an insignificant 1% of the population I don't come across gays very often.

Or for that matter had someone of the opposite sex not start flirting with you until they got to know you better or until you expressly showed interest.

No. If they got to know me they'd know I'm not gay and that they wouldn't bark up the wrong tree.

I know some people think they have 'gaydar' and some people endlessly speculate who is gay and who isn't. That doesn't mean they are always right.

Yes, any personality type could be gay. But with an insignificant 1% population I wouldn't expect a crew of a single frigate to have a 100% gay crew.

[lolwut666]

I agree, and I really have the feeling that the overall product is going to suffer because BioWare spent so much time in novelties like long hair and romance.

[Sailears]

I don't agree, mainly because to be honest I really am not fussed with who is in the squad or who isn't.

I don't want the galaxy to completely revolve around shepard's choices, and this includes picking who is on the team. I'd rather have squad appearances tie in nicely with the story.

Whatever the situation, I want it to feel like the squad members themselves are making their own choices, obviously influenced by what you (Shepard) do.