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[naledgeborn]

If BioWare was to include homosexual content, that should be out of their own initiative.

I think devs should only accept fan feedback when it comes to gameplay mechanics.

They should never let the fans write their own characters for them.

That just means they are turning what was once a project of passion into a comercial fluff.

+1

Folding under the pressure of the fandom has been the ruination of some of the best written series. Damn lolwut666 pwned this thread.

[SalsaDMA]

Blacklash93 wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...
They're a bunch of hypocritical elitists.

Making an argument and defending it does not make you an elitist nor hypocritical.

But that's not exactly what they are doing now, is it? :innocent:

[SalsaDMA]

Nightwriter wrote...

Homosexual players have gotten one serious same sex love interest throughout the course of the series. Heterosexual players have gotten four. Male homosexual players have gotten no love interests at all. If you ask me, they are not appeasing one group over another. They are simply making things equal, finally.

Excuse me?

Homosexuals have, by bioware, gotten plenty of content in different games which shows that they stuff is not beyond them. The characters in the ME series, however, obviously were not released as being what the vocal homosexual community wanted, so they screamed murder because THIS ONE, this single franchise since they started experimenting with the stuff had more importance on the characters than just stuffing generic 'broadness of appeal' into them.

Making equal? No they are not. Equal is not even a thing that was to be considered int his regard. It is not a game of 'if we add this thing to our game, then we have to add this thing as well in order to make things equal'. Claiming such a thing is wanting litterally crap stroytelling. The characters and the lore were written and released in a state, for 2 full games. Things were established by context. And then everything gets thrown out the window because of a term that is used to strike a dagger through the very heart of creativity and art.

I think it's a relatively fair request, but I'm not really sure why it's necessary to attach a "you appeased them, now appease me" to it. Also, what is the use of a character being with you on a combat level if you can't talk to them and they never have anything to say? Not sure I'd enjoy that. Also also, I know the OP specifically says that logistics concerns are being totally disregarded here, but I think the reasonableness of a request depends entirely upon how difficult it is to implement. And I don't know how difficult it would be to give us the freedom to select any combination we like from a pool of -- what -- seventeen characters?

I think it goes without question that the characters should be fully developed with interaction and conversation trees as well.

[SalsaDMA]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
It's their game. They can do whatever they want.

Do you seriously think that Bioware bowed to the 'demands' of a few hundred forum posters? 

After saying virtually nothing about the topic for two games? After ignoring similar threads for the last four years? 

Nonsense. 

Bioware are an independent company with a tonne of money to worry about. They would not intentionally set out to put content in their games unless they had a very good reason. Certainly not because some people asked them to.

You obviously haven't followed the 'twitter thread'...

[Moiaussi]

naledgeborn wrote...

Folding under the pressure of the fandom has been the ruination of some of the best written series. Damn lolwut666 pwned this thread.

Ignoring feedback has ruined at least as many series. How is this particular change ruining anything?

[AngelicMachinery]

Moiaussi wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Folding under the pressure of the fandom has been the ruination of some of the best written series. Damn lolwut666 pwned this thread.

Ignoring feedback has ruined at least as many series. How is this particular change ruining anything?

Gay people ruin everything!  A video game must be filled with chest pounding and objectifying women.  Now people are afraid that "teh gay" still exist in the future and their heterosexual utopia was all a lie. 

Modifié par AngelicMachinery, 27 mai 2011 - 04:10 .

[Darkhour]

Nightwriter wrote...

Homosexual players have gotten one serious same sex love interest throughout the course of the series. Heterosexual players have gotten four. Male homosexual players have gotten no love interests at all. If you ask me, they are not appeasing one group over another. They are simply making things equal, finally.

I think it's a relatively fair request.

There is nothing fair about appeasing one minority group and one minority group only.

What about pedophiles? Where is there 12 year old LI? And people into bestiality? Does Shepad get to romance Urz? Where is black female love interest for male Shepard to throw himself at? Where are the chubby chaser romances? Or devote mormons who want to get married and have multiple wives or those who want to complete a non-mariage romance without a sexualized conclusion? Bioware has a long way to go before every minority group gets what they want?

All they are doing with gay romances are making a political statement. 

[AngelicMachinery]

1) Pedophilia is illegal and well is molestation.
2) Bestiality is also illegal, and involves sex with an unthinking animal
3) A black female character would be awesome, it should be done.
4) Outside of the volus there are no fat people in ME, genetic modification has removed it.
5) Polyamory could be fun, make it so.
6) Less uncanny valley sex is always good.

Also, equating homosexuality to bestiality and pedophilia is quite obviously trolling.

Modifié par AngelicMachinery, 27 mai 2011 - 04:28 .

[Moiaussi]

Darkhour wrote...

There is nothing fair about appeasing one minority group and one minority group only.

What about pedophiles? Where is there 12 year old LI? And people into bestiality? Does Shepad get to romance Urz? Where is black female love interest for male Shepard to throw himself at? Where are the chubby chaser romances? Or devote mormons who want to get married and have multiple wives or those who want to complete a non-mariage romance without a sexualized conclusion? Bioware has a long way to go before every minority group gets what they want?

All they are doing with gay romances are making a political statement. 

So you are saying now that you consider all minorities equivalent to pedophiles? Talk about losing your arguement....

As for the rest of those, if Bioware thought they were big enough numbers to warrant such they would put them in.
Noone had a gun to their head over this particular change.

By they way, with Tali you do currently have the option of a non-marriage romance without a sexualized conclusion. You can tell her you are interested but now isn't a good time. I can't remember them all off hand so there might be others like that too.

[Raizo]

The squadmate issue is somthing of sore point with me. Casey Hudson has already confirmed that ME2's 12 Squad mates were too much and that ME3 will have a smaller squad. Kaiden/Ashley, Liara, Garrus and Tali have already been confirmed as being full ME3 Squad mates and Casey has confirmed that ME3 will have new squad mates so I cant help but wonder and worry about the fate of ME2's squad mates, the way I see there is only so much room left on the Me3 roster and with the exception of Garrus there is noone I like on it. I don't like Kaiden, I've lost interest in Ashley and Tali and I hate Liara, how the hell am I supposed to enjoy ME3 when all of my favorite ME2 squad mates will probably only feature in Me3 as npc's or just make cameo appearances.

[Wittand25]

SalsaDMA wrote...
Excuse me?

Homosexuals have, by bioware, gotten plenty of content in different games which shows that they stuff is not beyond them. The characters in the ME series, however, obviously were not released as being what the vocal homosexual community wanted, so they screamed murder because THIS ONE, this single franchise since they started experimenting with the stuff had more importance on the characters than just stuffing generic 'broadness of appeal' into them.
Making equal? No they are not. Equal is not even a thing that was to be considered int his regard. It is not a game of 'if we add this thing to our game, then we have to add this thing as well in order to make things equal'. Claiming such a thing is wanting litterally crap stroytelling. The characters and the lore were written and released in a state, for 2 full games. Things were established by context. And then everything gets thrown out the window because of a term that is used to strike a dagger through the very heart of creativity and art.

Vega was developed for two games now ? The guy did not even have a name two months ago. Oh and Miranda was Norwegien until the VA was cast and they changed her last name to Lawson to fit the Australian accent and changed her hair color from blond to brunett.
Would it not nbe better to wait and see how it is done and who the s/s option will be, before screaming bloody murder and character assasination on the forums. If a new bisexual male joins the squad nothing is changed and I am prettty sure a male Shepard will get the option to say "No thanks, I am straight" should the topic arise just like a female one had in ME1 with Liara.

[naledgeborn]

Lol. All I'm seeing in this thread is "blazay blah blah.... we got s/s cause we're right and you're wrong and Bioware should do what we want to the story and franchise and how we want it done because we make a lot a noise hidden behind articulate debate.... blazay blah blah

Get over yourselves. I lump the s/s ers with the Talimancers and Garrushippers. And the option being implemented is nothing but fanservice to appease a minority. Matter of fact I'm going to bump Dom's "Fight for the Stove" thread. Hopefully my Shepard can cook in the SR-2's Crew Deck in ME3.

Adios.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 27 mai 2011 - 05:12 .

[AngelicMachinery]

naledgeborn wrote...

Lol. All I'm seeing in this thread is "blazay blah blah.... we got s/s cause we're right and you're wrong and Bioware should do what we want to the story and franchise and how we want it done because we make a lot a noise hidden behind articulate debate.... blazay blah blah

Get over yourselves. I lump the s/s ers with the Talimancers and Garrushippers. And the option being implemented is nothing but fanservice to appease a minority. Matter of fact I'm going to bump Dom's "Fight for the Stove" thread. Hopefully my Shepard can cook in the SR-2's Crew Deck in ME3.

Adios.

It's fun being on the other side of the fence isn't it?

[naledgeborn]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Lol. All I'm seeing in this thread is "blazay blah blah.... we got s/s cause we're right and you're wrong and Bioware should do what we want to the story and franchise and how we want it done because we make a lot a noise hidden behind articulate debate.... blazay blah blah

Get over yourselves. I lump the s/s ers with the Talimancers and Garrushippers. And the option being implemented is nothing but fanservice to appease a minority. Matter of fact I'm going to bump Dom's "Fight for the Stove" thread. Hopefully my Shepard can cook in the SR-2's Crew Deck in ME3.

Adios.

It's fun being on the other side of the fence isn't it?

I've always been on this side of the fence when it came to ME. Why because I don't **** and whine on and on about how  I think they should make the game. Guess what my favorite isn't a squadmate. Guess what, she's objectifyed to hell and back and I'm supposed to be content with her being obvious fan service. Do you see me making 100+ page threads trying to convice them that it should be otherwise? Nope. I speak my piece and keep it moving.

Sorry buddy nothing personal, I just don't like it when artists (and ME is art) cave in to the demands of vocal fans. And the ruination I meant was aimed at Toriyama f***ing up Dragon Ball towards the end.

[xassantex]

some people think the insignificant 1% ( that number might need some updating ) asked for the moon and got it. Therefore they feel comfortable asking for the sun, heck, the whole solar system and feel they should get it also.
*impressed*

[AngelicMachinery]

naledgeborn wrote...
Why because I don't **** and whine on and on about how  I think they should make the game.

What are you doing now?

[naledgeborn]

Making a point.

[Wittand25]

naledgeborn wrote...

Making a point.

Really? Does suspiciously look like whining about how a game should be made. Just saying.

[AngelicMachinery]

naledgeborn wrote...

Making a point.

Looks like whining to me.  The FtL was just trying to make a point and they've been branded whiners as well.  I really don't see the difference in what your doing when compared to what they've done. 

Modifié par AngelicMachinery, 27 mai 2011 - 05:55 .

[naledgeborn]

Wittand25 wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Making a point.

Really? Does suspiciously look like whining about how a game should be made. Just saying.

Read it again. If it's too straining to comprehend might I suggest you utilize this site at your own leisure. 
http://dictionary.reference.com/

[AngelicMachinery]

naledgeborn wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Making a point.

Really? Does suspiciously look like whining about how a game should be made. Just saying.

Read it again. If it's too straining to comprehend might I suggest you utilize this site at your own leisure. 
http://dictionary.reference.com/

Awww bro,  resorting to petty insults already?  You're not doing yourself any favors.  If you want to make a point at least try to be civil people may listen.   Right now you just look like a petulent child about the leave the sandbox.

[naledgeborn]

Lol. So is this the part where I try to convince you that it's not "just" about the s/sers but about everybody that Bioware caves in to? The ship sailed. If you're that interested in my POV trying looking for my other posts. I got other things to speculate about.

[AngelicMachinery]

naledgeborn wrote...

Lol. So is this the part where I try to convince you that it's not "just" about the s/sers but about everybody that Bioware caves in to? The ship sailed. If you're that interested in my POV trying looking for my other posts. I got other things to speculate about.

Don't forget your ball.

[Turran]

I actually agree with you, I feel it rather unfair that once again we are stuck with certain people.. With the whole galaxy in trouble I would think that people would drop what they are doing and help, especially as they worked with you before and fully know the problems, 90% of ME2 was collecting a team together.

It would fully bring in the Roleplaying experience back into ME if I could choose.. Because I don't like the sound of this James Vega guy and I can live without childish VS in my crew, would gladly pick my own crew.

[Blacklash93]

SalsaDMA wrote...
Excuse me?

Homosexuals have, by bioware, gotten plenty of content in different games which shows that they stuff is not beyond them. The characters in the ME series, however, obviously were not released as being what the vocal homosexual community wanted, so they screamed murder because THIS ONE, this single franchise since they started experimenting with the stuff had more importance on the characters than just stuffing generic 'broadness of appeal' into them.

Making equal? No they are not. Equal is not even a thing that was to be considered int his regard. It is not a game of 'if we add this thing to our game, then we have to add this thing as well in order to make things equal'. Claiming such a thing is wanting litterally crap stroytelling. The characters and the lore were written and released in a state, for 2 full games. Things were established by context. And then everything gets thrown out the window because of a term that is used to strike a dagger through the very heart of creativity and art.

Maybe they want s/s content because they, you know, LIKE Mass Effect? Maybe instead of enforcing some sort of obscure quota, they want to see s/s content to enjoy the game in every way a straight player can, including romances?
Isn't that something to consider?

And the truth is things were never equal and not because of some quota. If both Shepards were simply straight, that would be the end of it. The thing is... they're not. FemSheps had Liara from the start and Kelly in ME2 while male players had nothing. The equality angle wasn't drawn from thin air.

And I'm still having a hard time seeing how a small bit of OPTIONAL content is somehow compromising artistic integrity or the quality of the game. No one forced Bioware to do this and it's not like s/s romances will be plastered all over the game, like some of you make it out to be (for the big deal you make of the issue).

Modifié par Blacklash93, 27 mai 2011 - 06:24 .