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[Clonedzero]

i dont like conrad verner. he's not funny people! he's just annoying but for some reason i always have to talk to him and do his thing in ME1 out of import diligence but damn is he stupid and annoying.

not funny.

at. all.

[LordJeyl]

Of all the characters in Mass Effect, the only one I truly despise is Joker.

Joker: Hell yeah, I joined Cerberus.

Because that's what Shepard would have wanted you miserable piece of $*@).

[Errol Dnamyx]

LordJeyl wrote...

Of all the characters in Mass Effect, the only one I truly despise is Joker.

Joker: Hell yeah, I joined Cerberus.

Because that's what Shepard would have wanted you miserable piece of $*@).

Yus! I dislike Joker too...
Hopefully ME3 will finally give us the chance to murder him. He really deserves it.

Plus, he isn't funny at all and since the introduction of EDI he has become completely redundant.

Modifié par Errol Dnamyx, 30 mai 2011 - 03:00 .

[Feena.c]

Let's see...

In ME1 I didslike Liara. More because of why she exists than anything else, "blue skinned alien babe". *foreheaddesk* That, and the game assumes I love her. In ME2 she's the only person I hug on sight besides the ME1 LI(if you had one). What?! Why?!!?! Guh.

ME2.
Jacob. I liked him okay the first time around, really! But as I got to know him, and after I looked up his romance on youtube... *Barfs* Jacob is such a creeper. *shudder* I try to avoid him as much as possibe now.

Beyond that there isn't anyone I dislike. I could complain about Miranda's ridiculous reason for existing, but I still like Miranda so I'll just let that one go.

Overall, great squaddies. Considering how many there are over the course of 1 and 2 it's amazing I like as many as I do. Great work on that front Bioware. 

[Verly]

Zaeed is the only character I really don't like (I don't HATE fictional characters) I decided to not even recruit him on my newest paragon play through.

[Sister Helen]

I only used Grunt as a party member for his loyalty quest. He was, meh. Now, Wrex was my favorite party member in ME1, so my apathy to Grunt was probably tainted by the earlier relationship.

Same goes for Jacob (who was wicked creepy as a love interest - I saw the youtube video) who was okay as a bud for my maleshep to hang out with in the armory.  Also never used him outside of his loyalty quest.

Modifié par Sister Helen, 30 mai 2011 - 03:23 .

[Made Nightwing]

Ymladdych wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

To the people that completely missed the point of my post:

I didn't miss your "point"...I just think you're wrong.  I also think that your language was very judgmental and hyperbolic.

Such as the following quotes from your first post...snipped and edited to make your "point" clear (since you're obviously concerned about posters who might not have a 7th grade level of reading comprehension):

Hey, I'm going to pretty much sum up the next hundred pages of this thread.

[Every poster in this thread wants] to be right all the time, pointing out
the good parts about [their favorite] character and squashing the bad
bits

[Every poster in this thread] also ignore[s] everything
that['s] great, well done, well written or emotionally interesting about
[a] character [they hate].

[Every poster in this thread] will ruin the game for [himself/herself] by only taking the same two characters
on every mission, over and over again. [Every poster in this thread] will attempt to ruin it for
everyone else by trolling [a character's] supporters, putting [other posters] down, making [other posters]
feel bad because [they] like a certain character and no one else does.

I think it's funny that you accuse the posts in this thread as belittling and toxic, when the most belittling and toxic post in the thread is...yours. 

Quite a few posters have actually made some interesting and valid critiques.  And contrary to one of your more recent claims, I don't believe that many of them are in any danger of "talking themselves into hating the whole game."  They're just venting or they want the developers to hear their personal points of discontent, and until Bioware says otherwise, they're absolutely entitled to do so in a forum that exists for this very reason.   

Now, you ask:

Why? Just why?

To me, a more interesting question is, "Why do YOU care?" 

You can choose not to read this thread (and based on your comments, it doesn't seem like you have, because you're just spewing superficial, blanket statements about it), so what difference does it make if OTHER players want to read it and write their own opinions?  What makes YOU the authority on "valuable discussion?"  You certainly don't speak for me on this matter, and since people have continued to post their thoughts, I think it's safe to say you don't speak for them, either.

So maybe taking your own advice is in order here...relax, take a chill pill and enjoy the threads you like while ignoring the ones you don't.  Or you could always go to the "Off-Topic" forum and post a hate-thread about hate-threads.  (Now there's a thought!)

I was having a slow day. Believe me, I wouldn't invest any amount of vitriol in a rant about hate threads. I had nothing interesting to say on the Motivationals thread, so I decided

At what point did I declare myself an expert on valued discussion? Certainly this thread resembles nothing that contributes to a valuable discussion, but on campus we kind of consider debaters to be uppity pricks, so maybe I can't judge.

But there is a big difference between arguing out a point to find a logical, justified, true solution, and arguing for the sake of arguing. That line of thinking is called 'Sophism' and is in the same school of thought as a 'Regressive Line of Reasoning', that leads to infinite discussion with no solution.

You can't really claim that a thread serves a good purpose when every single post is:

I dislike him.

I dislike her.

No personality.

****.

Boring.

etc.

This is in no way some 'hateful diatribe' by me. Take no offence when I say I wouldn't even bother wasting energy if I was well and truly angry about something on this thread. I'd go work it off in more productive ways. This is simply the musings of a bored student with nothing better to do but be slightly fascinated (not in a good way), with how many ways you guys recycle the same arguments again and again. You're not open to convincing, some of you don't even want to convince others, you're just arguing in an infinite circle.

If you can point out to me one really valid point that has been made on this thread. One point that everyone can agree on, that is completely justified and true and irrefutable. The internet equivalent of Descartes' 'Cogito Ergo Sum'. If you can do that, then I take it all back and this thread serves a real purpose.

[GuardianAngel470]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Ymladdych wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

To the people that completely missed the point of my post:

I didn't miss your "point"...I just think you're wrong.  I also think that your language was very judgmental and hyperbolic.

Such as the following quotes from your first post...snipped and edited to make your "point" clear (since you're obviously concerned about posters who might not have a 7th grade level of reading comprehension):

Hey, I'm going to pretty much sum up the next hundred pages of this thread.

[Every poster in this thread wants] to be right all the time, pointing out
the good parts about [their favorite] character and squashing the bad
bits

[Every poster in this thread] also ignore[s] everything
that['s] great, well done, well written or emotionally interesting about
[a] character [they hate].

[Every poster in this thread] will ruin the game for [himself/herself] by only taking the same two characters
on every mission, over and over again. [Every poster in this thread] will attempt to ruin it for
everyone else by trolling [a character's] supporters, putting [other posters] down, making [other posters]
feel bad because [they] like a certain character and no one else does.

I think it's funny that you accuse the posts in this thread as belittling and toxic, when the most belittling and toxic post in the thread is...yours. 

Quite a few posters have actually made some interesting and valid critiques.  And contrary to one of your more recent claims, I don't believe that many of them are in any danger of "talking themselves into hating the whole game."  They're just venting or they want the developers to hear their personal points of discontent, and until Bioware says otherwise, they're absolutely entitled to do so in a forum that exists for this very reason.   

Now, you ask:

Why? Just why?

To me, a more interesting question is, "Why do YOU care?" 

You can choose not to read this thread (and based on your comments, it doesn't seem like you have, because you're just spewing superficial, blanket statements about it), so what difference does it make if OTHER players want to read it and write their own opinions?  What makes YOU the authority on "valuable discussion?"  You certainly don't speak for me on this matter, and since people have continued to post their thoughts, I think it's safe to say you don't speak for them, either.

So maybe taking your own advice is in order here...relax, take a chill pill and enjoy the threads you like while ignoring the ones you don't.  Or you could always go to the "Off-Topic" forum and post a hate-thread about hate-threads.  (Now there's a thought!)

I was having a slow day. Believe me, I wouldn't invest any amount of vitriol in a rant about hate threads. I had nothing interesting to say on the Motivationals thread, so I decided

At what point did I declare myself an expert on valued discussion? Certainly this thread resembles nothing that contributes to a valuable discussion, but on campus we kind of consider debaters to be uppity pricks, so maybe I can't judge.

But there is a big difference between arguing out a point to find a logical, justified, true solution, and arguing for the sake of arguing. That line of thinking is called 'Sophism' and is in the same school of thought as a 'Regressive Line of Reasoning', that leads to infinite discussion with no solution.

You can't really claim that a thread serves a good purpose when every single post is:

I dislike him.

I dislike her.

No personality.

****.

Boring.

etc.

This is in no way some 'hateful diatribe' by me. Take no offence when I say I wouldn't even bother wasting energy if I was well and truly angry about something on this thread. I'd go work it off in more productive ways. This is simply the musings of a bored student with nothing better to do but be slightly fascinated (not in a good way), with how many ways you guys recycle the same arguments again and again. You're not open to convincing, some of you don't even want to convince others, you're just arguing in an infinite circle.

If you can point out to me one really valid point that has been made on this thread. One point that everyone can agree on, that is completely justified and true and irrefutable. The internet equivalent of Descartes' 'Cogito Ergo Sum'. If you can do that, then I take it all back and this thread serves a real purpose.

The reason why I post on this forum (or any forum really) isn't to have a debate or convince someone else of my opinion. The reason I waste hours of my day in an infinite circle of discussion is because I genuinely want to understand other people.

I disagree with many, many people here but I read their posts because somewhere there is an internal logic to their arguments, even if it doesn't fit any definition of logic that I know of.

You honestly cannot expect to convince anyone of anything on the internet. On those rare occasions that you do reach an agreement or at least a mutual understanding you rejoice but those sorts of instances are few and far between.

Actually expecting to convince someone of something is how you get emotionally enraged by posts. No matter how articulate you are, no matter how reasonable you think your position is, the other person will always, always find a way to disagree with you.

That's what I find so fascinating.

[PinkDiamondstl]

Lara...............never liked her and I never will . Weird ugly gant smurf looking thing.
.....kill it.

[seirhart]

for all those who don't like joker; it is so easy to see why he joined a.) because he can fly when no one else will let him b.) cereberus more than likely told him along with chakwas that their bringing back shepard. Joker and Chakwas joined out of loyalty to shepard; they say as much when you talk to them in their own way.

I want to kill kaiden off; I don't like I don't like him at all. I let him live so I could get rid of Ashley now he will be next if possible.

[jamesp81]

I don't think I severely dislike any of the team.

Two of my favorites are Samara and Ashley, the two everyone loves to hate. Go figure.

Samara is kind of an interesting one the way my canonshep was role played. My Shepard was a Colonist/Sole Survivor. No family, no friends. All dead. Shepard is a man who feels utterly alone in a hostile universe. He has never had anyone to look to for wisdom or a mentor to learn from; he's always been on his own. Most of his team isn't on his level. Jacob and Miranda are "near peers" with him as they've both been through a lot, but not to the level of Shepard. Garrus is on equal footing with Shepard, IMO. Wrex is a lot older, but in ME1 he was too busy being a fatalistic merc to be a mentor for Shepard (this changed a lot in ME2, but Wrex was too involved with trying to save the krogan from themselves to come with Shepard). All the rest of the team is well below Shepard in wisdom and life experience.

Except Samara. Being a man without a family, Shepard soon found himself viewing her as a surrogate mother type figure. She has nearly a millennium of wisdom and experience, and is the only person that might make a credible mentor for Shepard. As he got to know her better in ME2, especially after her loyalty quest, he increasingly found himself listening carefully to her counsel. He even eventually found that Samara's approval was important to him, and she lead him down a more paragon path.

[jamesp81]

armass wrote...

I didnt care for Grunt really, he's funny but he's such a "gaah i want to kill!" stereotype of krogan, Wrex was more intresting.

Samara really didn't get me either, I almost never use her, why did we need another pure biotic user when we got Jack? Felt like an extra character, tough i did find justicar background kinda intresting.

Kasumi - do i even need to comment?

Samara is actually a pretty powerful squad mate if you run her Reave power up to max.  Reave is easily one of the most devastating damage powers in the entire game, and unlike Jack who only brings a shotgun and a pistol, Samara brings some real firepower to the field with her assault rifle training.

Modifié par jamesp81, 31 mai 2011 - 10:01 .

[jamesp81]

Tripedius wrote...

I also dislike Ashley, but that's mostly due to the whole 'you can still be a christian in outerspace' crap. Cause you know if she really believes that she's pretty stupid (and that's my opinion folks, just leave it at that)

I would suggest that you not bash religions on these forums.

[Teecat]

I actually really like all of the characters, apart from JACOB.
I mean, "I don't fancy these forced talks, shepard"... DUDE! He was a very annoying and boring character, although the whole comic relief he brought with his flirtacious youtube videos did endear me to him somewhat.... :'D

[Captain Kibosh]

Resurrrrrrrrrrect! Need...more...brains!

Playing maleShep, I found Kaidan's hand-wringing about my former ties to Cerberus annoying, but valuing his biotic abilities as a squad mate, I refrained from telling him to f*** off.

Speaking of Cerberus, I NEVER liked Udina, and he validated my gut reaction by ultimately throwing in with Cerberus. But from a narrative standpoint, I thought that was a little too obvious and not dramatic enough. Someone more trusted should have betrayed Shep.

[Naschrakh1983]

Haters gonna hate, damn

The chars (from ME2) I don't like are:
- Udina: he's just a ******, period.
- Kasumi: just one mission and she ain't interesting enough to take her along for any other mission. Doesn't talk much either.
- Samara: I just don't like her, don't really know why.
- Ish: take your shady deals elsewhere, dammit. Oh, and stop saying: "Is that... Shepard?" right after I denied the deal and walked by you again.
- Miranda: you stuck up *beep*, feeling all superior towards anyone else, and messing with my main man Jacob?!
- Grunt: while cool and all, stop charging into enemies when we need cover! I ain't gonna spend all my medigel on you anymore...

[Jester8862]

Jacob! Was just now playing the game, for who knows, maybe 20th time, on insanity, doing his personal favor mission involving  his father. He is just soo bad in combat...we just encountered the first girl...save her from getting shot, and the battle is on. We're behind barricades, and the bad guys are behind barricades on the other side, with a bunch of wide open space in between...so what does he do? He jumps over our barricade into the wide open space, and charges the enemy, promptly getting himself killed in about 2 sec after the battle has started. Something he routinely does on almost every mission. Just retarded. Since I had saved right before the battle, I say that's too stupid, gotta try this again. So I do, and immediately order him to cover, since he's too stupid to do so himself. This works much better, he now lasts about 5 seconds instead of 2. Incredible.

This great, glorious highly skilled team, that most of the time instead of them helping me, I feel like I am babysitting them. Often they are that way...however sometimes they are okay. The exception though is Jacob. He always is just terrible, he might as well just take out his gun and shoot himself. Personality wise, I like him just fine, just sick of him always being a total idiot in battle.

[Ioini]

Jacob: Nice guy but boring and barely any character development. Cheats on you if you romance him in ME2. Nice Jacob, very nice.

Grunt: His character is dull, oh I am a tank born krogan with a puberty issue to solve with lots of violence. His whole loyalty mission is completely retarded. I was asking myself, why was I playing this?

Kasumi: Why was it a good idea to bring a thief on-board a military vessel on a military operation? Why did I get the feeling that Shepard was James/Jane Bond throughout her loyalty mission? And I could care less about her dead boy toy. Contrived melodrama being forced down my throat. Ugh.

Jack: I just don't understand her. At all. And who the hell sketched her? It's like the artist drew her and just didn't stop. To many tattoos and she doesn't even tell us how (except for the kills, that was obvious) and for whatever reason just says "Some are for cause...hey why the f**** not?" Yeah that makes sense.

Modifié par Ioini, 11 août 2012 - 01:04 .

[GarvakD]

I dislike Ashley the most. Such a racist bigot. I don't find her all that interesting either and a bit annoying at times. Miranda I don't like either. She is very self righteous and cocky, which makes me angry at times (not to mention she is a devoted Cerberus member which makes me dislike her even more). Not even cocky in the cool sense, like several of your crew.

[perducci]

i finally figured out why i despise Jacob Taylor.

dialog wise he's fairly shallow,but whatever.

it is because if you were to connect his 'stache to his goatee with a thin line he looks terribly like michael **** vick. completely down to stache, goatee, and soul patch. same basic hair style, facial shape... only less malovelent eyes.

Taylor.

Dog Killer.

as a person with two dogs, i remember the face of the douche who killed dogs for fun... and real life douche translated to a video game character who unfortunately looks like this felon.

any way to easily toss him out the airlock?

Modifié par perducci, 25 août 2012 - 09:09 .

[tankermottind]

Zaeed came off to me as a rather "RARGH I'M A GODAMN WITH ONE D AUSTRALIAN BADARSE AN' I KILL BUNYIPS AND DROP BEARS WITH MY TEETH" tough guy without any of the emotional depth that made Wrex a great character, or the inner turmoil that made Grunt a decent character. Say what you want about Jacob, but he at least has some flicker of inner life. Zaeed is just a caricature. And skills-wise, he really doesn't bring anything interesting to the table at all.

[PsiFive]

Australian? He's about as Aussie as miserable weather and warm beer. That's a London accent. 

Edited to add: on the topic itself, I should adore Miranda as the only actual Aussie in the game, but if I met someone in reali life who constantly big notes herself the way Miranda does I wouldn't want to have anything to do with her.

Modifié par PsiFive, 01 septembre 2012 - 09:27 .

[tankermottind]

Gah, I confused Aussie and UK accents AGAIN? For some reason a lot of working-class English accents (except cockney) sound Australian to me and a lot of upper-class Australian accents sound British.

But my point stands. He has little personality or development except "big dumb **** who has a bone to pick with his old Blue Suns partner".

I find the people who say Garrus' friendship with Shepard is "forced" quite puzzling. Shepard is clearly a character with his/her own personality, especially in ME2 and ME3 and not just an avatar for the player. The relationship with Garrus develops quite naturally when you keep that in mind,. Whether you, the player, necessarily agree with him matters far less than his loyalty and willingness to stick his neck out for Shepard.