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I didn't like Tali in the first game. She had zero personality. She was a walking Quarian codex entry. She felt too much like the token alien tech, and nothing else. She was great in the second game though. Garrus was cool, but annoying in his convos in ME1. Every convo on the Normandy was about C-Sec, and it's like "OK, Garrus! I get it, you hated your old job! You aren't in C-Sec anymore though, so STFU!" It reminded me of Kiff from Futurama when he joined Planet Express, like my Shep was Leila. Anyway, he was cool when you recruited him, being the "Renegade Cop" type, as well as when you recruited him in ME2, being Batman. I love Garrus, just... the guy is terrible at ship convos, I guess. Anyway, I love both Tali and Garrus in ME2.

In ME2, I didn't like Jacob. I loved Jacob initially, up until you start recruiting other squadmates. Initially, he comes off as not just the morality of the party, but as a nice and helpful guy. In the beginning, I was impressed with how he was the one to tell you the truth about Cerberus, stood up for Shepard when Miranda wanted to ask questions, and made it clear that even though he worked for Cerberus, he didn't tolerate the bad aspects of them anymore than Shepard. But then, once the game really started, he became and aloof, shallow jerk. He was a jerk whenever it came to other party members, wanting to airlock Legion and having a problem with Thane for no reason, as if Jacob's job is so much better. Oh, and his snarky remark to Tali about EDI was too petty. He just wants casual sex with Shep in a "romance", and just wants to go get drunk with friendShep. He went from being admirable in the prologue, to disgusting and hollow in the main game.

He didn't really have a plot, like other characters, either. Overall, Jacob was all over the place, and lacking character. I've seen people say "Well, that's the point of his character." but I think that's a really sh*tty character idea. A part of me wonders if they "didn't give him a personality on purpose" because "being black" is suppose to be his character theme, which is pretty offensive and bad. I mean, Kaidan had being the "good guy"/conscience of the party, a less b*tchy and more optimistic Carth, along with being an L2 Biotic as his theme/plot. Ashley was probably the most human character in Mass Effect, I felt. She was religious, an IRL religion, and though she wasn't afraid to hide it, I didn't feel like she rubbed it in people's faces, but it was something very IRL in such a fantastical setting. I thought her discomfort with aliens was realistic. She wasn't a Terra Firma, but she wasn't exactly comfortable either, and I'd expect that of most humans, considering first contact, and the war, was only decades prior to ME1. Also, Ashley came from a military family, and had a noteworthy past with her family. She was also the cynic of the party, in a dark-snarky way. Miranda's "I am perfect; Woe is me. Also: Daddy Issues." plot was incredibly dumb, but her role as Cerberus b*tch was well done. She was the anti-conscience of the party, the Cerberus member, and definitely had a consistent personality: Self-absorbed, prideful, and a b*tch. Even her abilities reflected her personality and story well, having a bit of everything, and thinking she was the best at everything. Jacob... in comparison to the other humans... Who is he? What is he? He doesn't have a theme or plot or consistent personality or anything. Even his Biotics seem kind of random, and I wonder why he's even a Biotic. It's not like it goes with his story, or is mentioned outside of "Oh, also, I'm a Biotic!" in the prologue.

Maybe they should have made him an alien hater, someone who made Ash look like a lover in comparison, since in ME2, Cerberus surprisingly seems to the most alien-tolerant organization in Mass Effect. I'd expect some anti-alien-ness and more straight up evil from SOME parts of Cerberus. Or maybe they should have kept him with the personality he seemed to have in the beginning, as the noble ex-Alliance type who was disillusioned and joined Cerberus hoping to make a difference for the greater good. Heck, I personally think it would have been coolest if Jacob turned out to be an Alliance spy infiltrating Cerberus, and that's why such a noble seeming guy (at least, he was initially) was in Cerberus.

Thane was a disappointment. I felt like he failed at being what he was supposed to be. From all the pre-game media, I thought he would be my favorite character. I thought he would be some vigilante religious assassin badass who hunted and killed "wicked" people. What I thought I'd like about Thane turned out to be Garrus and Samara. Thane wasn't even the "Ultimate Fangirl LI" like he was supposed to be. Garrus surprisingly filled that role too. Thane's religious turned out to be pretty lame, cliche, and if anything a front for cowardice. Thane came off really pathetic and whiny, and morally abhorrent instead of admirable. Calling Shepard the same thing as his dead wife was... not romantic... and the memory flashes he had were just annoying. Anyway, between Samara and Garrus, there was no point in Thane being in the game.

So... I don't like Jacob and Thane. I hope Thane just dies. I hope Jacob either finds a character, or goes away. Everyone else is great and even at their worse, at least have potential.

Modifié par Rojahar, 25 mai 2011 - 11:21 .


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Mesina2 wrote...

armass wrote...

What you trying to change my opinion now? Good luck with that.


No, just you didn't even tried to investigate Kasumi's character.


Im not usually intrested in characters i dont like. Ive talked to her, but the girl doesnt even have any normal dialogue options. She just talks about "things" when you click.

What do you care if i dont like her, if i dont, so what? Some people don't like Tali here, some dont like Thane. We cant all like the same things.

Modifié par armass, 25 mai 2011 - 11:14 .


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I dislike Garrus. Initially I was indifferent towards him, but grew to dislike him quite a bit because the game tries hard to sell him as Shepard's buddy, when it takes a very different kind of person to be my Shepard's best friend.

I dislike Jack because she's the polar opposite of the personality type I like and she appears so untrustworthy when we meet her that I wish I had the choice to not recruit her.

I dislike Garrus and Tali because of the hype and because they're set up to steal the spotlight from all three of my favorite characters.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 mai 2011 - 11:17 .


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armass wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

armass wrote...

What you trying to change my opinion now? Good luck with that.


No, just you didn't even tried to investigate Kasumi's character.


Im not usually intrested in characters i dont like. Ive talked to her, but the girl doesnt even have any normal dialogue options. She just talks about "things" when you click.

What do you care if i dont like her, if i dont, so what? Some people don't like Tali here, some dont like Thane. We cant all like the same things.


Kasumis character development was all in her loyalty mission, which isnt half bad.

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Samara - she is a boring hypocrite

Tali - quarians annoy me in general (except Kal Reegar),but Tali even more so because of her being Shepard's fangirl even when he treats her like crap

Jack - too much acting all cool and that punk style,just no

I like everyone else

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Jack just plain dosnt interest me....kind of irratating but recently im starting to get a bit more intrested in her situation
Jacob is meh just sort of bland? nothing going on with him hes just a regular guy but i guess i can stand him
Im okay with everyone else

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I really dislike Zaeed. He thinks he's all badass, but I'm worse-ass, he is just to arrogant and all though in a very bad Steven Seagal / Jean Claude kind of way. If he wasn't on the team, I probably would have killed him in some random mission (he actually survived the suicide mission as I didn't use him for anything).
I also dislike Ashley, but that's mostly due to the whole 'you can still be a christian in outerspace' crap. Cause you know if she really believes that she's pretty stupid (and that's my opinion folks, just leave it at that).
Finally I can't stomach Thane. His voice is bad, his brooding is bad and his flashbacks are really bad.

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Thane - Assa turned Super Dad causes he's gonna Die, COME ON! Has this not been done before /Sarcasm

Jacob - All I hear is Blah blah blah, I Suck Blah blah blah.

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Cheesy Blue wrote...
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I actually had created a huge reply for you with full detail and such outlining my views in a carefully constructed way. But when I went to post it, my computer messed up and I lost it all.
And I'm NOT writing it all again, so f*ck the reply, it would have been nice to give one, but I can't.

So I guess agree to disagree?

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I can't really think of reasons that I don't like any of the characters other than maybe Jack. She's a bit too...angsty, immature, I don't know how to describe it. I know she has plenty of reasons given her life story, if it is all true, of all the crimes and such she has committed, but she doesn't have to keep reminding me that everything is complicated and that she is a psychotic ****. Other than that though I didn't necessarily dislike her. She was a unique party member to say the least.

And I liked Kasumi better than many of the "main" characters. What, she's Japanese?! JRPG OMG. Kasumi has a great voice actor and has a good sense of humor throughout the game. If anything looks like it was taken straight out of a JRPG it is Fenris' appearance in Dragon Age 2. And if you actually take some time to investigate his character you might actually see past the "broody teenager with a buster sword" appearance. No hate on the JRPGs from me, I like them even more than western RPGs most of the time.

In ME2, I didn't like Jacob. I loved Jacob initially, up until you
start recruiting other squadmates. Initially, he comes off as not just
the morality of the party, but as a nice and helpful guy. In the
beginning, I was impressed with how he was the one to tell you the
truth about Cerberus, stood up for Shepard when Miranda wanted to ask
questions, and made it clear that even though he worked for Cerberus,
he didn't tolerate the bad aspects of them anymore than Shepard. But
then, once the game really started, he became and aloof, shallow jerk.
He was a jerk whenever it came to other party members, wanting to
airlock Legion and having a problem with Thane for no reason, as if
Jacob's job is so much better. Oh, and his snarky remark to Tali about
EDI was too petty. He just wants casual sex with Shep in a "romance",
and just wants to go get drunk with friendShep. He went from being
admirable in the prologue, to disgusting and hollow in the main game.


I agree with this also. I liked Jacob way better at the start of the game. I'm however thankful that I haven't witnessed that romance. It is the only one I have not done and I am choosing to avoid it.

Modifié par sonsonthebia07, 25 mai 2011 - 11:40 .


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Tali. she is a okay character....but when everyone is oozing for her while at the same time going out of their way to slay anyone that says less than enthusiastic things about her. Garrus too!! enough is enough!!

their fans arent a majority....they are just the most vocal. that aint always a good thing

Modifié par corporal doody, 25 mai 2011 - 11:47 .


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Like almost everyone, but I have a problem with Jacob. Unfortunately he has no dept. Even Zaeed that is underdeveloped is much more interesting.

This is the only character missed in Mass Effect for me.

In general, I do not hate the characters when they are well developed and they enrich the universe. Or then just those who are very boring as Thane. I can not stand it. A real weeper !

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I don't hate any characters. There are characters I like more than others, as it turns out when I first came to these forums I discovered that the ones I liked the most also were the most popular, and some people take offence at that, and hate me for it. I don't know about you, but I don't have time time to waste on bs like that.

What I don't understand, and am unlikely to change, is why people can wrap themselves up so tightly in a fictional universe and hate pixelated characters to the point where they come on forums and debate to the point of being obnoxious, pretentious posers who act with some sense of entitlement over a franchise they believe was made for them, and them only.

Sure, lively debate and discussion is fun, interesting and may even lead you to question your own views on certain characters, but the associated ****** that all too often accompanies it is a little hard to swallow at times. That's the time to go for a walk, have something nice to eat, talk to a friend or a loved one, and realise that some people really do take themselves far too seriously and you're better off not even engaging in conversation with them.

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Buggirl70 wrote...

I don't hate any characters. There are characters I like more than others, as it turns out when I first came to these forums I discovered that the ones I liked the most also were the most popular, and some people take offence at that, and hate me for it. I don't know about you, but I don't have time time to waste on bs like that.

What I don't understand, and am unlikely to change, is why people can wrap themselves up so tightly in a fictional universe and hate pixelated characters to the point where they come on forums and debate to the point of being obnoxious, pretentious posers who act with some sense of entitlement over a franchise they believe was made for them, and them only.

Sure, lively debate and discussion is fun, interesting and may even lead you to question your own views on certain characters, but the associated ****** that all too often accompanies it is a little hard to swallow at times. That's the time to go for a walk, have something nice to eat, talk to a friend or a loved one, and realise that some people really do take themselves far too seriously and you're better off not even engaging in conversation with them.


/clap/clap/clap

clever diss ftw!!

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Tali.
she makes very little sense as a character. as a squadmate, and makes no sense in context with most situations. she's a 20 year old or so in ME1, cowers during her introduction, gives you a recording and then you're like "sup wanna join my crew lol".
no combat training, she's forced into roles that dont suit her. her species doesnt make sense being on the battlefield, she NEVER shuts up about her damn immune system and flotilla. how she seems to have regressed maturity-wise from ME1 to ME2.

also her fan group has to be the most annoying and creepy people out there. those fanarts are scary. also i find their insistence that she's an attractive woman under the suit to be baffling. for example,why would she have hair? if their species grew hair wouldnt thy ALL shave their heads fairly consistently to make being in the suits easier?

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Well,Tali is good with tech. Other than that,I really see no reason for her being on the team.

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Jacob bores me, but i don't hate him; he's just my least favorite character

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armass wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

armass wrote...

What you trying to change my opinion now? Good luck with that.


No, just you didn't even tried to investigate Kasumi's character.


Im not usually intrested in characters i dont like. Ive talked to her, but the girl doesnt even have any normal dialogue options. She just talks about "things" when you click.

What do you care if i dont like her, if i dont, so what? Some people don't like Tali here, some dont like Thane. We cant all like the same things.


You can still talk with her without dialogue wheel.

Also why Zaeed isn't on the list as well?

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Buggirl70 wrote...


What I don't understand, and am unlikely to change, is why people can wrap themselves up so tightly in a fictional universe and hate pixelated characters to the point where they come on forums and debate to the point of being obnoxious, pretentious posers who act with some sense of entitlement over a franchise they believe was made for them, and them only.

Sure, lively debate and discussion is fun, interesting and may even lead you to question your own views on certain characters, but the associated ****** that all too often accompanies it is a little hard to swallow at times. That's the time to go for a walk, have something nice to eat, talk to a friend or a loved one, and realise that some people really do take themselves far too seriously and you're better off not even engaging in conversation with them.


+100, and  you are my heroess :o

Modifié par TaHol100, 25 mai 2011 - 12:49 .


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All Hail Buggirl :D

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Hate is too strong a word for me. I dislike some characters.

Kaiden: a great big whine fest. I felt he was a romance cliche for FemShep. He has a deep hurt leftover from a troubled past that only she can fix. Barf... In his defense, the bit about humans trying so desperately to develop biotics was interesting background information. He was an okay buddy for ManShep, but he is way too serious all the time. In the end, I left him on Virmire every time. Ashley was just more interesting, whether I romanced her or not.

Jack: her character is way overdone. Her comical look and "I'll kill you" dialogue make her seem like a poser, not a real criminal. I can't take her seriously. When I try, she's just offensive. I have no desire to be nice to her. I usually side with Miranda and shed no tears if Jack doesn't survive the suicide mission.

Jacob: I felt he was incomplete. I liked what they did develop for his character, but it seems like they quit halfway through. More dialogue would have been nice, especially as a friend. He just seems aloof unless you romance him as FemShep.

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Dangerfoot wrote...

A lot of the characters in ME2 are pretty undercooked because there are so many of them. So they ended up boring me with their lack of personality. I was even more frustrated when I read their LoSB dossiers to find that they each had some interesting little quirks, and yet the game never explores any of those.


Gee, maybe because those interesting little quirks were written in after-the-fact? It's entirely possible that they were even thought of long after the game was released, and likely as a result of player feedback.

I agree with the first sentence, though.

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i hate no one in the game

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Buggirl70 wrote...

I don't hate any characters. There are characters I like more than others, as it turns out when I first came to these forums I discovered that the ones I liked the most also were the most popular, and some people take offence at that, and hate me for it. I don't know about you, but I don't have time time to waste on bs like that.

What I don't understand, and am unlikely to change, is why people can wrap themselves up so tightly in a fictional universe and hate pixelated characters to the point where they come on forums and debate to the point of being obnoxious, pretentious posers who act with some sense of entitlement over a franchise they believe was made for them, and them only.

Sure, lively debate and discussion is fun, interesting and may even lead you to question your own views on certain characters, but the associated ****** that all too often accompanies it is a little hard to swallow at times. That's the time to go for a walk, have something nice to eat, talk to a friend or a loved one, and realise that some people really do take themselves far too seriously and you're better off not even engaging in conversation with them.


This.

I laugh when people are expressing a surreal hate for a fictional character. Just shows how they're wasting their lives.

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I have less respect for the characters that are dependent on Shepard, than those that could survive (relatively speaking of course; nobody is better than Commander Shepard. Garrus was doing a decent job and was only able to be taken down by ALL 3 major players on Omega. Impressive feat)

Tali in ME1 she was portrayed rather insipidly, and in ME2 she tries so hard to be a good leader, yet no matter what she fails and needs Shepard to come to the rescue (and in the meanwhile, is hotheaded to almost all she encounters besides Shepard.)

I also laughed at the Tali Nerve Stim Pro Deluxe Edition. And people say Miranda is horny!

Note that I don't hate Tali. It just gets tiring when you go from saving her from Fist, to saving her from random mechs, to saving her on Haestrom, all the while seeming like an anime character who has the biggest crush on the protagonist (whether male or female) . Some people may find that an endearing trait, Shepard as the savior and Tali as the damsel, but not I.

Modifié par Alpha-Centuri, 25 mai 2011 - 01:34 .