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[Someone With Mass]

daqs wrote...
Naw, Warp is a vastly better debuff than Shadow Strike (time to cast, ability to hit faraway targets and targets in air, extra usefulness against krogan), and Flashbang can't set up Warp bombs.  Plus, her passive isn't broken like Kasumi's is.  She's still got her role.  Just in terms of gameplay, of course, your opinion about her character is fine.  I don't share it, but it makes sense.

Eh, Deadly Shadow Strike does more damage than Miranda's powers combined, and I'm more than capable of handling enemies at distance myself.

[Ryzaki]

 Liara - Plot shield, obsessesive, Shepard can't dislike her in ME2, Shepard can't curse her out

Jacob - Prickly way too prickly

Jack - Far too hostile and will only really talk with Shepard if he's romancing her. If not he's told to f*** off. So not interested. 

Tali - Too fangirly over my doucheShepard. Not interested. 

[SlottsMachine]

Golden Owl wrote...

Jack....Okay, yes I feel quite sorry for her, what happened to her is beyond shocking...Cerberus has so much to answer for....But please Jack let up on the attitude and foul mouth, its just too much....and I think she is a time bomb, is too dangerous to have wandering the Normandy.

I love Jack, but I can see where you are coming from. My opinion is that if you treated her with even a modicum of respect in ME2 you will have one fierce protector going forward, regardless of gender. 

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 25 mai 2011 - 04:53 .

[KainrycKarr]

Miranda - I try to get into this character, but honestly every time the camera pans to a conveniently-placed shot of her ass, it just makes me go "urgh". Not because she's unattractive, but because I see the character archetype as drastically overdone in gaming and media, and while it's nice that she's attractive, I'd rather not have the game shoving that fact down my throat at every opportunity.

If her attractiveness, and capabilities were allowed to stand on their own two feet so I could discover them for myself, the character would be drastically more appealing to me. But as it stands, the game seems to constantly try to tell you how bad-*** and hot she is, and that just kills it for me.

That said, she's still a good character and deserves a spot in ME3. Maybe BW will find a way to back off on the "look at how hot she is!".

As for the rest, I like them all really. Thane kind of annoys me with his outfit but that's fairly minor.

[Sir Edric]

I don't like Liara. Her romance is so...easy. She falls for you in a blink of an eye. Though I liked her in LotSB

Modifié par Vrex_12, 25 mai 2011 - 04:51 .

[Scimal]

Miranda - I'm not a butt man to begin with, and her personality rang dead to me. I'm usually into the strong-willed, intelligent chicks. However, I think Miranda didn't work because I never perceived that she earned her right to be hoity-toity. She never had to overcome something she wasn't sure she could do. The worst we hear is that she ran away from her father (How horrible it must've been surviving being extremely attractive, strong, intelligent, and well-educated :innocent:), and in-game she asked for Shep's help with her twin. Where's her Akuze? Where's her Torfan? Not there, and that's what turns me towards the strong female characters.

Jacob - A soldier that quit being a soldier to be a soldier. Jacob is just bland. Not bad, because there's nothing significant about him they could've done wrong - but that doesn't make him good. Well, I did lean on the side of "Like Jacob" after his LM - but it went back to neutral after he volunteered for a suicide mission he wasn't suited for.

Thane - The instant I saw Thane I could smell the fangirl odor wafting off of him. A dark (ooh), dangerous (rawr!), intelligent (ooooh!), repentent (awww!), man of exquisite class (oooh!)? Who's also a single father who puts the fate of an entire species on hold to take time out for his son (awww!)? The only way the swooning could build to an even higher crescendo is if Thane was doomed from the start and could find some quiet comfort in the player. See, he's not broken psychologically, but you still need to take care of him! 
:pinched:Yeah yeah, I'm ranting a bit, but it was just so obvious when I started learning who Thane was for the first time. 

I don't hate any of them, but I hope there's some decent character development for all of them in ME3.

[Bewiz]

if i had to pick one, think itd be Garrus, too uptight and dont like Turians

[Nozybidaj]

marshalleck wrote...
they really screwed her up in ME2 and a bookworm archaeologist-gone-Shadow Broker is just preposterous

That part there I absolutely agree with, only difference is Liara was my favorite character.  The whole "I'z iz teh Shadowz Brokerz!!!!" was about as lame as could be. <_<

I'm sure this is probably just echoing what has ben said already but only character I really came to "not" like was Jacob after starting a femShep playthrough.  I mean come on, that was just bad.......

[roflchoppaz]

Ymladdych wrote...

Liara.  Every character is going to have elements of a trope here and there, but she's exaggerated to the point of being a mega-cliché. 

In ME1 she's a Purity Sue with a Relationship Sue overlap who gets Xenafied in ME2/LotSB.  (Xenafication is a female specific version of Adaptational Badass.)

If you don't believe me about her Sue status, just look at the Checklist.  Friend to all living things/mystical?  Check.  Beautiful?  Check.  Major "flaws" are stubborness, bad temper, and "clumsiness"?  Big check there.  Doesn't have normal sex but mind-blowingly awesome sex?  Check.  Lacks a jealous bone in her body?  Check.  Also, is she given the opportunity to seem the "better person" compared to a jealous b**chy type?  Ashley, and check.  Unusual eye color or changing eye color?  Check.  Does she have a "special" bloodline like being a half-blood or pure-blood something?  Is she ashamed of it or does it cause her problems?  Check and double check.  Does she have Special Snowflake Syndrome?  I'd say that her virginal archaeologist schtick goes against the typical grain of Asari maiden strippers...check.

The sad thing is that I could easily find more traits that match her, but I have to get ready for work.  Ultimately, her Sueness isn't what makes me hate her character...it's the fact that like others have already said, she's got invincible plot armor and she's absolutely presented in a way where I feel like I've made the "wrong" romantic choice for Shepard if my choice isn't Liara. 

If other players like her, that's great!  It doesn't affect me one way or another.  But it does affect me when I watch my Shepard dive to save Liara and get snuggly-spoony with her on the floor while his love interest takes a ton of debris to the chin in the SB fight.  Plus that scene leads to my Shepard's LI getting knocked out so he and Liara can have an "us vs. the world" moment...yeah...I'm going to have a problem with that because it's geared solely for Liara LI players and leaves the rest of us feeling a tad alienated.  A related complaint would be that Shepard has more emotional intimacy with Liara than any other character, to include LI's.  No bueno...I'm sorry.

I'm also going to have a  problem with other characters being portrayed in a less flattering light to make Liara look even better.  (Ashley in ME1.)  And this was something I noticed as a newbie PS3 player right away in the Genesis comic.  Liara was "brilliant and beautiful" and Shepard mentions getting off on the mind-meld, versus Ashley being "tough" and a good marine.  Then there's the "Ashley was worried about my connection with Liara" panel, that shows Liara front and center with this dreamy expression, hands under her chin, and Ashley in the far back with her arms crossed and that perpetually constipated look on her face.  (Which matches the selection screen in ME1, I might add.)

That's my 2 cents on it.

A-****ing-men. Must quote this. Because it's 100% true. Bioware writers have some weird boner for Liara. This exactly makes her unlikable to me. There are other characters that want your attention, too, Bioware!

Another character that I dislike would be Jack. Her cussing is too over-the-top and I feel like she tries too hard to be an 'emo-punk-girl'. Also, ****** for the world to see. But maybe she'll get better with ME3, I don't know.

[Nozybidaj]

roflchoppaz wrote...
A-****ing-men. Must quote this. Because it's 100% true. Bioware writers have some weird boner for Liara. This exactly makes her unlikable to me. There are other characters that want your attention, too, Bioware!

/shrug All BW characters can be fairly easily put into common tropes.  You could go down that exact same checklist for Tali in ME2.  Miranda, Jack, Thane, all easily classified by classic tropes if you are only looking at it superficially as the poster you quoted did.

[Barquiel]

Garrus - I strongly disagree with his views, mandatory squadmate + forced friendship
Jacob - boring, forced flirting
Tali - her voice...

[roflchoppaz]

Nozybidaj wrote...

roflchoppaz wrote...
A-****ing-men. Must quote this. Because it's 100% true. Bioware writers have some weird boner for Liara. This exactly makes her unlikable to me. There are other characters that want your attention, too, Bioware!

/shrug All BW characters can be fairly easily put into common tropes.  You could go down that exact same checklist for Tali in ME2.  Miranda, Jack, Thane, all easily classified by classic tropes if you are only looking at it superficially as the poster you quoted did.

Not the point.
(Hell, I'm permabanned from TVtropes for no apparent reason so I can't even check them tropes out.)

Point is, Liara has been given the most plot attention from BW while others get almost nothing.

Modifié par roflchoppaz, 25 mai 2011 - 06:18 .

[Nozybidaj]

roflchoppaz wrote...
Not the point.
(Hell, I'm permabanned from TVtropes for no apparent reason so I can't even check them tropes out.)

Point is, Liara has been given the most plot attention from BW while others get almost nothing.

Garrus and Tali have far more "attention" given to them than anyone else in the series aside from Shepard.  Hell considering Shep was just a walking robot in ME2 maybe even more.  Liara had no relevance at all in game for ME2, ignoring of course that crappy little comic that did more to derail the original character than anything.

I suppose I just fail to see the point. It's perfectly fine not to like a character, I just don't see what the fuss is all about.

[roflchoppaz]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Garrus and Tali have far more "attention" given to them than anyone else in the series aside from Shepard.  Hell considering Shep was just a walking robot in ME2 maybe even more.  Liara had no relevance at all in game for ME2, ignoring of course that crappy little comic that did more to derail the original character than anything.

I suppose I just fail to see the point. It's perfectly fine not to like a character, I just don't see what the fuss is all about.

Garrus and Tali can both die in the suicide mission. I think you can even not recruit Tali. Garrus in ME1, too.

Liara is mandatory for ME1. Liara basically mind-rapes you, which is forced by plot, too. Liara has plot armor for ME2.  As you said, Liara has a comic. Liara has her own DLC. Liara is treated almost like a 'canon' LI in Genesis. 

But... let's just drop this. I don't like her. That's all. I don't want to turn this into a debate.

[Labrev]

jmood88 wrote...

Kaidan- He was boring, horrible in combat, and I hate the fact that people on this site love him yet will constantly bash Jacob, who is the exact same character (except he's actually useful in combat).

People say this a ton, but I have no clue why. He's really nothing like Jacob, other than being a nice-guy male soldier (well, OK, maybe I have some clue afterall).

Kaidan had a story. Jacob, I have no clue about other than, "my dad wasn't around much, I was in the Alliance and hated it so I joined Cerberus."

Kaidan also had a genuine personality. He was approachable and opinionated about things ranging from the mission, to the Council, to aliens in general, and stuff like that. Jacob is just like "menggg, dis mission be SUICAHDE" (he's obsessed with the idea of dying) over and over again.

Kaidan is loyal to something (the Alliance). Jacob OTOH left the Alliance and badmouths them while paying lip-service to Cerberus, then turns around and badmouths TIM and his Cerberus counterparts constantly on your ship.

So no, Kaidan is really not like Jacob at all. There are lots of differences.

[Seboist]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

jmood88 wrote...

Kaidan- He was boring, horrible in combat, and I hate the fact that people on this site love him yet will constantly bash Jacob, who is the exact same character (except he's actually useful in combat).

People say this a ton, but I have no clue why. He's really nothing like Jacob, other than being a nice-guy male soldier (well, OK, maybe I have some clue afterall).

Kaidan had a story. Jacob, I have no clue about other than, "my dad wasn't around much, I was in the Alliance and hated it so I joined Cerberus."

Kaidan also had a genuine personality. He was approachable and opinionated about things ranging from the mission, to the Council, to aliens in general, and stuff like that. Jacob is just like "menggg, dis mission be SUICAHDE" (he's obsessed with the idea of dying) over and over again.

Kaidan is loyal to something (the Alliance). Jacob OTOH left the Alliance and badmouths them while paying lip-service to Cerberus, then turns around and badmouths TIM and his Cerberus counterparts constantly on your ship.

So no, Kaidan is really not like Jacob at all. There are lots of differences.

Yeah, Kaidan tells us about the history of human biotic training and his personal experience while Jacob only does one brief and vague mention about the Corsairs. Kaidan also has a far better romance path and personally I think it's the best one in the franchise(which isn't saying much tbh).

Jacob always felt out of place to me in the squad. There's utterly no substance to him and it's no different than having Gardner or Chakwas in the squad. He's litterally just a security guard who happened to be at the right time and place and stuck around for adequately explained reason.

[Gterror]

Theyre all useful in suicide mission, so i dont complain nuf said

[Feanor_II]

I don't like Conrad Veermer on ME2, the type of humour he adds in the game..... I think it's totally out of place.

[Labrev]

Seboist wrote...

Yeah, Kaidan tells us about the history of human biotic training and his personal experience while Jacob only does one brief and vague mention about the Corsairs. Kaidan also has a far better romance path and personally I think it's the best one in the franchise(which isn't saying much tbh).

Jacob always felt out of place to me in the squad. There's utterly no substance to him and it's no different than having Gardner or Chakwas in the squad. He's litterally just a security guard who happened to be at the right time and place and stuck around for adequately explained reason.

In one conversation with those guys I knew more about them than all of the ones I had with Jacob.

I love how he also tried to glorify his position in the intro. "Technically, I'm Miranda's top Lieutenant" (what does that even mean?) "but I also run security at this station."

Yeah, OK security guy.

[Someone With Mass]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

In one conversation with those guys I knew more about them than all of the ones I had with Jacob.

I love how he also tried to glorify his position in the intro. "Technically, I'm Miranda's top Lieutenant" (what does that even mean?) "but I also run security at this station."

Yeah, OK security guy.

LOL. Mall cop.

And being her top lieutenant doesn't mean jack in my book, because she is throwing her allegiances left and right.

[SlottsMachine]

I'm blessed with the natural ability to ignore things that probably should ****** me off. Like this for instance......... 

Ymladdych wrote...
But it does affect me when I watch my Shepard dive to save Liara and get snuggly-spoony with her on the floor while his love interest takes a ton of debris to the chin in the SB fight.  

...probably should have pissed me off at the time. And your description of how Liara is portrayed/handled made me laugh.....its so true.

[adam1923]

ABCoLD wrote...

Jacob, he's so blandly bland and completely uninteresting in personality and abilities.

I dislike him so much I wish I could just have 1 squad member in the begining.

[Seboist]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Yeah, Kaidan tells us about the history of human biotic training and his personal experience while Jacob only does one brief and vague mention about the Corsairs. Kaidan also has a far better romance path and personally I think it's the best one in the franchise(which isn't saying much tbh).

Jacob always felt out of place to me in the squad. There's utterly no substance to him and it's no different than having Gardner or Chakwas in the squad. He's litterally just a security guard who happened to be at the right time and place and stuck around for adequately explained reason.

In one conversation with those guys I knew more about them than all of the ones I had with Jacob.

I love how he also tried to glorify his position in the intro. "Technically, I'm Miranda's top Lieutenant" (what does that even mean?) "but I also run security at this station."

Yeah, OK security guy.

I ended up liking the non-squad crewmembers like Gabby and Ken more than Jacob. I always looked forward to hearing what they had to say every time my Shep showed up in engineering.

[Aradace]

Since this is a "dislike" thread, I'll simply list the character's name followed by the reason as to why I dont like them to try and simplify the process lol.

Liara: Absolutely hate her. Hate her personality, and hate her VO. IMO Ali Hillis did an extemely ****ty job and they should have gotten someone else for the job. Who? I dont know, but anyone would have been better than Ali Hillis. She did alright as Lightning. But Liara, not so much IMO.

Kaiden: Dont know why, but he reminds me of the frontman for Korn. Constantly whining, pissing and moaning about how tough he's had it. He's an all around weiner IMO and is also why I left his ass to burn on Virmire in every one of my data files.

Jacob: Dont like him simply because he is way too "stereotypical". First time I heard "But the Priiiiiiiiiize" that kinda sealed it for me. The End lol.

Samara: Way too "zomgifyouredishonorableinanyillhavetokillyouwhenimfreefrommyoath!!" There may be more to her than that, but seeing as how she comes in so late in the game, I find myself not wanting to care to "get to know her" beyond that.

Thane: I'd probably like him if I could have picked him up during the first half of the game. But seeing as how I cant.... Once again, I dont care to get to know him because by the time I can recruit him, I already have my static team that I use.

Jack: I like her "concept" and her VO was brilliant (Courtney Taylor is spot on with her) but I think the devs laid her "Damaged goods" persona on waaaaaaaaaaaaay too thick. Dont get me wrong, I love a woman with tats, piercings, and emotional baggage (seeing as how I have all three myself lol) but even I have to step back from Jack and give a big Keanu Reeves "Whoa..." and not in a good way.

Everyone else Im either cool with or indifferent to. In lieu of that, here's a quick suggestion to the devs; Out of all the characters you could be thinking about giving another "personality 180" (ala Liara) Jack should be on that list somewhere. Dont change her too drastically because then she just wouldnt be Jack. But tone it down a bit. When someone who suffers from Bi-Polar depression can look at Jack and say "Holy ****, she's got issues" then you KNOW she's jacked up (no pun intended there)

[Asari_Party]

Garrus (bland/no character development) and Zaeed (just another sociopathic overly battle-scarred merc)