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[Bogsnot1]

Odoyle wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...
Just play it as a swinging Renegade.
Liara in ME1. Jack in the cargo hold. Finish SM without romance to invite Kelly up for sexy times. LotSB, and sweet talk Liara to get her back. During the various Firewalker quests, chat up Miranda until you can invite her up to your cabin for snuggle session. Dump her genetically perfect arse, and hook up with Tali over a few more side quests. Save game, and what to see what the ramifications are for the epic-level cheating in ME3.

Does having sexy time with Jack in the cargo hold effectively kill an ME1 romance?

Not sure about Ash, but Liara does somehow find out about it, and makes a comment about being cast aside for a criminal with anger management issues, but you are able to sweet talk her back around and invite her up to your cabin for snu-snu.

Ship.wreck wrote...

MassEffect762 wrote...
We'll have to wait and see.
That said Liara/Tali/Femshep Ménage à trois!

Liara/Tali/Miranda/Ashley/ManShep Menage a LOT
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BYO baby oil and Twister mat.

Modifié par Bogsnot1, 26 mai 2011 - 08:13 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I was under the impression that the renegade love scene with Jack isn't a real romance so it doesn't count towards putting the picture in your room face down and activating the achievement. Thefore I thought your ME 1 romance is still the one that is active if you don't continue to peruse any other love interest teammates after doing that.

[Nashiktal]

What all does Liara say about the cheating romances anyways? (Hasn't romanced liara, and doesnt want to replay ME1 again just for the dialogue)

[Ship.wreck_]

mineralica wrote...

In most cases I consider "cheating" on ME1 LIs as having the same relation to cheating how loyalty mission - to loyalty. BioWare decided to call it so and it's shorter than "changing LI between ME1 and 2", so why not?
On the other hand, let's look on this from Shepard's perspective. You had serious feelings, then bam! Normandy explodes, you waking up and soon after you meet beloved one who get at you. Is this normal to suddenly forget about everything and instantly go for another person, won't it say Shepard's feelings weren't so deep in first place that he isn't even feel embarassed, maybe hurt? Or it's just because I'm from rather traditionalist society?

Anyway, it's simple when it comes to Liara. If during LotSB you say you lovew her and then go for another LI/not break up with existing LI, it's a cheating. If you explain her you've moved on, Liara is rather understanding and friendly.

What is this LotSB I keep hearing about? We could sit around and speculate Shepard's internal emotions, logic, motivations etc. But at the end of the day none of it matters. Shepard gets dumped. So if he gets a new LI later, it's not cheating period.

Maybe that does mean he didn't take his first relationship seriously (maybe because it was one night of sex before what everyone percieved to be the end of their lives?). Or maybe he's revenge f*cking the first woman he gets his hands on for the sake of spiting the former LI that dumped him. Or maybe he's hastily seeking comfort. Or maybe he just moves on fast, or doesn't see the value in investing emotions and time pining over someone that already dumped his ass. Or maybe he realizes that the premise of his very existence at this point IS that the Reapers are coming to destroy the galaxy and will be here any minute so if he plans on doing any living at all he damn well not plan on doing it "later", and maybe that's what accelerates his decision to pursue a new LI. Do we even have a definitive time scale in ME2? Maybe weeks or months go by between getting dumped on Horizon / Illium and actually sleeping with a new LI right before the alleged "suicide mission". Does any of this mater?

Not one iota. Shepard got dumped. Therefore Shepard, regardless of any other circumstance or speculated circumstance, is not cheating. Period.

Bogsnot1 wrote...
BYO baby oil and Twister mat.

Oh, will do... WILL DO.

All of the above stated. I'd like it to be duely noted for the record, once again, that Shepard SHOULD NOT HAVE TO SAVE THE WHOLE MOTHER F*CKING GALAXY EVERY TIME HE WANT'S TO GET LAID!!!! What is it with this not until right before the final mission bullcrap?

You'd think with their mortality so heavily emphasized by the circumstances these people would be DIVING into eachother's pants as often as possible before the appearently inevitable END.

[Darkhour]

Nashiktal wrote...

What all does Liara say about the cheating romances anyways? (Hasn't romanced liara, and doesnt want to replay ME1 again just for the dialogue)

Check ME Wiki

[lolwut666]

I'm fairly certain that having casual sex with Jack has no effect on the other romances; Liara's included.

[Odoyle]

Ship.wreck wrote...
What is this LotSB I keep hearing about? We could sit around and speculate Shepard's internal emotions, logic, motivations etc. But at the end of the day none of it matters. Shepard gets dumped. So if he gets a new LI later, it's not cheating period.

Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC.

And while I agree with you that Shepard gets treated like crap on Horizon, BioWare has made it clear that it's still "cheating".

However, it is possible for Shepard to be unfaithful and pursue a relationship with a potential love interest in Mass Effect 2. [3]
If Shepard pursues a new love interest, the picture of the Mass Effect
love interest is turned face down on the desk. Acting this way is
expected to have negative consequences for the relationship in Mass Effect 3, provided Shepard survives the events of Mass Effect 2.[4]

Citation number 4 leads to a Q&A session with Casey Hudson, which pretty much means that you can count on there being some sort of negative consequence for pursuing both a ME1 and ME2 love interest.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I know that If I woke up out of a 2 year coma, only to have my LI treat me like that, I'd feel pretty crushed and think that it was over. Honestly I wish there was an option to cry on Kelly's shoulder a bit more and get some private "counselling"...

[Aedan_Cousland]

Ship.wreck wrote...

Why does everyone keep calling it cheating?

What is wrong with people? No matter who your LI in ME was they all DUMP YOUR ASS in ME2. It's not cheating if you get a new LI people!

I agree.

Some fans keep calling it 'cheating' though, because that is what Bioware called it. That doesn't mean they are right however. By definition if Shep hooked up with another LI in ME2, he wasn't cheating. He was dead for two years, and even marriage vows state, "Till death do us part.' That, and when you reunite with your ME1 romance they show no interest in picking up where you left off. Liara seems conflicted and has other priorities, and the Virmire Survivor is downright hostile. You have to be in a relationship in order to cheat, and in ME2 you were no longer in a relationship with Liara or Virmire Survivor.

That isn't to say that Liara or Ashley shouldn't act jealous about your new LI, since people are often irrational and allow emotion to override logic. I just take issue with it being described as cheating officially, when it clearly was not.

Realistically your ME1 should also have dated a couple people during that two year span while Shep was gone. But that would never be written into the story since some insecure fanboys would have a stroke.

[amcnow]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Realistically your ME1 should also have dated a couple people during that two year span while Shep was gone. But that would never be written into the story since some insecure fanboys would have a stroke.

While never explicitly stated, Kaidan does hint at casual dating...

Source: Mass Effect Wiki

Shepard,

I'm sorry for what I said back on Horizon. I spent two years pulling myself back together after you went down with the Normandy. It took me a long time to get over my guilt for surviving and move on. I'd finally let my friends talk me into going out for drinks with a doctor on the Citadel. Nothing serious, but trying to let myself have a life again, you know?

Then I saw you, and everything pulled hard to port. You were standing in front of me, but you were with Cerberus. I guess I really don't know who either of us is anymore. Do you even remember that night before Ilos? That night meant everything to me... maybe it meant as much to you. But a lot has changed in the last two years and I can't just put that aside.

But please be careful. I've watched too many people close to me die -- on Eden Prime, on Virmire, on Horizon, on the Normandy. I couldn't bear it if I lost you again. If you're still the woman I remember I know you'll find a way to stop these Collector attacks. But Cerberus is too dangerous to be trusted. Watch yourself.

When things settle down a little... maybe... I don't know. Just take care.

--Kaidan

[amcnow]

lolwut666 wrote...

I'm fairly certain that having casual sex with Jack has no effect on the other romances; Liara's included.

I firmly believe only romances which can grant the Paramour achievement will constitute as "cheating".  I don't think the flings with Kelly Chambers, casual Jack, and Sha'ira will matter in the grand scheme of things.

[Aedan_Cousland]

amcnow wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Realistically your ME1 should also have dated a couple people during that two year span while Shep was gone. But that would never be written into the story since some insecure fanboys would have a stroke.

While never explicitly stated, Kaidan does hint at casual dating...

Source: Mass Effect Wiki

Shepard,

I'm sorry for what I said back on Horizon. I spent two years pulling myself back together after you went down with the Normandy. It took me a long time to get over my guilt for surviving and move on. I'd finally let my friends talk me into going out for drinks with a doctor on the Citadel. Nothing serious, but trying to let myself have a life again, you know?

Then I saw you, and everything pulled hard to port. You were standing in front of me, but you were with Cerberus. I guess I really don't know who either of us is anymore. Do you even remember that night before Ilos? That night meant everything to me... maybe it meant as much to you. But a lot has changed in the last two years and I can't just put that aside.

But please be careful. I've watched too many people close to me die -- on Eden Prime, on Virmire, on Horizon, on the Normandy. I couldn't bear it if I lost you again. If you're still the woman I remember I know you'll find a way to stop these Collector attacks. But Cerberus is too dangerous to be trusted. Watch yourself.

When things settle down a little... maybe... I don't know. Just take care.

--Kaidan

I stand corrected.

On a side note Shep *can* cheat in ME2, if he has sex with Liara at the end of LotSB before breaking it off with one of the ME2 romance options. In that case he has cheated on Miranda, or Tali, or Jack, ect.