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[BlackwindTheCommander]

 So I've been thinking, are the events of Arrival really something we have to worry about going to war with the Batarians over? 

Granted, 300,000+ civillian casuallities is horrific, but Batarian extremists tried to kill 4.4 million human colonists by doing the same exact thing. Did the humans declare war on the Batarian government? Nope.

I think the Batarians can suck it up, especially since there are bigger baddies to worry about come ME3.

[TexasToast712]

I'll kill em all if I have too. I hate Batarians.

[Katamariguy]

The Batarians are far more reactionary.

[CroGamer002]

Alliance doesn't want war with Batarian Hierarchy, there's no proof that Batarian Hierarchy was involved( hell, Balak planned that attack alone, not even his crew know his real plan) while Shepard is known to be part of Alliance and attack on Terra Nova was a failure.

[Antivenger]

Unless you haven't noticed, like the Krogan and Vorcha are aggressive and the Quarians are tech-minded the Batarians are arse holes.

I'm not saying they're all evil. For all we know their government might be brainwashing the populace, but come on! They think creatures with less than four eyes are less intelligent. Wait til they meet the Yahg...

Modifié par Antivenger, 25 mai 2011 - 09:40 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Except Balak never did manage to launch the asteroid down to Terra Nova. Recall that Shepard didn't just kill 300,000+ batarians; she also literally eradicated an entire star system.

[Chuvvy]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Except Balak never did manage to launch the asteroid down to Terra Nova. Recall that Shepard didn't just kill 300,000+ batarians; she also literally eradicated an entire star system.

****es can shut up and deal.

[Ausstig]

TexasToast712 wrote...

I'll kill em all EVEN if I DON'T have too. I hate Batarians.

Fixed for you:)

[KotorEffect3]

Good point OP, considering their track record the batarians have no reason to complain, since from what I have heard we might be having to sacrifice civilizations in ME 3 the batarians are at the top of my list of civilizations I would be willing to sacrifice, I like just about every one else though.

[AlexMBrennan]

Well, that kind of prejudice clearly warrants an extremely cruel and unusual death for all baterians - humans on the other hand - being paragons of righteousness - would never think of other humans (or aliens) as lesser beings just because of their ethnicity or religion or cappuccino/latte preference </sarcasm>

Also, give me a good reason why humanity is inherently more worth saving than the other species - note that "because I'm human" doesn't work since that's not likely to convince others.

[KotorEffect3]

Nobody claimed humans are superior (outside of the cerberus drones) but if the game forces me to sacrifice a civilization the batarians are going bye bye. I will try to save as much of the galaxy as I can but we may be forced to make sacrifices. Who will you sacrifice if you have to sacrifice someone?

[DaBigDragon]

BlackwindTheCommander wrote...

 So I've been thinking, are the events of Arrival really something we have to worry about going to war with the Batarians over? 

Granted, 300,000+ civillian casuallities is horrific, but Batarian extremists tried to kill 4.4 million human colonists by doing the same exact thing. Did the humans declare war on the Batarian government? Nope.

I think the Batarians can suck it up, especially since there are bigger baddies to worry about come ME3.

Well, yes they did try and kill everything on Terra Nova, but the key difference is they did not succeed whereas Shepard actually did end up killing a mass amount of civilians.

[KotorEffect3]

DaBigDragon wrote...

BlackwindTheCommander wrote...

 So I've been thinking, are the events of Arrival really something we have to worry about going to war with the Batarians over? 

Granted, 300,000+ civillian casuallities is horrific, but Batarian extremists tried to kill 4.4 million human colonists by doing the same exact thing. Did the humans declare war on the Batarian government? Nope.

I think the Batarians can suck it up, especially since there are bigger baddies to worry about come ME3.

Well, yes they did try and kill everything on Terra Nova, but the key difference is they did not succeed whereas Shepard actually did end up killing a mass amount of civilians.

Difference is Shepard did it to save more lives (the rest of the galaxy) where as Balak tried to kill 4.4 million humans because he hates humans and wanted to make a political statement.  Yes intent does matter.

[AlexMBrennan]

I didn't say anything about humans being superior but more inherently worth saving.

KotorEffect3 wrote...
the batarians are at the top of my list of civilizations I would be willing to sacrifice, I like just about every one else though.

You are planning to sacrifice all other species to save humanity if necessary - why? Why not sacrifice all species to save the elcor? Why is the extinction of the elcor "better"/"more desirable" than the extinction of all humans?
Shepard (you?) won't be around if humanity is extinct (by definition of "extinct") so *rationally* he doesn't have a reason to pick humanity over the other species. I can see why he would do it (because he's human cf ingroup outgroup bias) but it's neither "right" nor rational.

[Dean_the_Young]

There's also the matter of stastical inconsistency going around. One of the Mass Effect lore's biggest weaknesses is that it constantly flops around on the numbers of who has how much of what, and whether that's a big deal or not.

[KotorEffect3]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

I didn't say anything about humans being superior but more inherently worth saving.

KotorEffect3 wrote...
the batarians are at the top of my list of civilizations I would be willing to sacrifice, I like just about every one else though.

You are planning to sacrifice all other species to save humanity if necessary - why? Why not sacrifice all species to save the elcor? Why is the extinction of the elcor "better"/"more desirable" than the extinction of all humans?
Shepard (you?) won't be around if humanity is extinct (by definition of "extinct") so *rationally* he doesn't have a reason to pick humanity over the other species. I can see why he would do it (because he's human cf ingroup outgroup bias) but it's neither "right" nor rational.

Dude I never said I would sacrifice all other races to save humanity,  I said we would most likely be forced to sacrifice some civilizations to stop the reapers and save the galaxy, don't put words into my mouth.

[AlexMBrennan]

Indeed?

I would be willing to sacrifice, I like just about every one else though

Edit: Also, if you sacrifice everyone to save the galaxy then you sacrifice everyone to save humanity since there won't be anybody else around.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 25 mai 2011 - 02:39 .

[KotorEffect3]

Talk about quoting me out of context, I don't like batarians, I like most of the other races, you remind me of those people that accuse Ashley of being racist when she isn't.

[KotorEffect3]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Indeed?

I would be willing to sacrifice, I like just about every one else though

Edit: Also, if you sacrifice everyone to save the galaxy then you sacrifice everyone to save humanity since there won't be anybody else around.

I never said sacrifice everyone to save the galaxy I said we would most likely be forced to sacrifice some to save it.  And the liking everyone else meant I an fond of everyone else just not the batarians.

[aimlessgun]

BlackwindTheCommander wrote...

 So I've been thinking, are the events of Arrival really something we have to worry about going to war with the Batarians over? 

Granted, 300,000+ civillian casuallities is horrific, but Batarian extremists tried to kill 4.4 million human colonists by doing the same exact thing. Did the humans declare war on the Batarian government? Nope.

I think the Batarians can suck it up, especially since there are bigger baddies to worry about come ME3.

The Batarians going to war has nothing to do with whether Arrival justifies it or not. 

The Batarians are going to war because they want to go to war, and this is an excuse. 

The Alliance didn't go to war because of Balak because they didn't want to go to war. 

That is the difference. 

[Someone With Mass]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Except Balak never did manage to launch the asteroid down to Terra Nova. Recall that Shepard didn't just kill 300,000+ batarians; she also literally eradicated an entire star system.

That. 

Close to do it is not the same as doing it.

Considering that there have been wars that started over less, the batarians have all the rights to be a little pissed off. 

And Balak didn't blow up a perfectly good mass relay either.

[KotorEffect3]

Shepard DIDN'T WANT to blowup the relay, he had no choice, Balak WANTED to destroy Terra Nova.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

That is unlikely to make a difference to the Batarians. I doubt if the situation were reversed humans would act much differently.

[KotorEffect3]

It won't make much difference to the batarians but Shepard will be vindicated when that fleet of dreadnaughts showup and start laying waste to everything.

[Someone With Mass]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Shepard DIDN'T WANT to blowup the relay, he had no choice, Balak WANTED to destroy Terra Nova.

The batarians don't know that. Probably wouldn't care, either.