I fear that, as each 6 months or so passes more and more players leave NWNs...
Some return, but the number of total players continually fall...
Some RP Servers still seem to have a decent number of players still, but PW Action / Action is slowly dwindling down below 100 Players Total more often than not, there are less than 100 players on these platforms...
I just went through a player count in Action and it was sad looking indeed, what was once a 3000 + Player Platform has been reduced to near nothing...
It's hard to find a full server any more, and as one player suggested, there are only 3 or 4 servers even worth playing on. I was shaken by that statement, and I know some old dogs may not like this players thinking, but he has a point.
Playing by yourself on an empty server simply isn't fun, unless of course those servers are built strictly for solo play, but as often is the cast, this is NOT the case, so party modules that stay empty are just wasted Bandwidth unfortunately because there is nobody to play with.
I see the inevitable slow demise of this game coming. With many newer video cards being incompatible, and graphics in other games being more attractive, and of course Neverwinter is coming...
I don't know if Neverwinter will be Free To Play (once purchased), as I doubt TSR/WOTC can openly compete in the Pay to Play platform like WOW has, even if they did offer great graphics, it's a losing battle!
I looked at D&D Online, but didn't see enough insight into this online game, does anyone have insight?
I'm trying to figure out where all the D&D players went.. <_<
The inevitable is coming...
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 03:09
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The numbers may not be what they use to be, but I don't see a great game like NWN going anywhere for a long time.
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 03:10
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Yes I noticed this as well as Im action based player, its even more deaper crisis at the local NWN servers in my country. And also tried D&D but it was quest based when you had to repeat them on higher difficulty, well lol stupid, boring so im still there though currently playing Diablo2. Its amazing how many peoples still playing that stupid game where you just repeating the same over and over again. 90k peoples online each day.
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 03:29
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ShaDoOoW wrote...
Yes I noticed this as well as Im action based player, its even more deaper crisis at the local NWN servers in my country. And also tried D&D but it was quest based when you had to repeat them on higher difficulty, well lol stupid, boring so im still there though currently playing Diablo2. Its amazing how many peoples still playing that stupid game where you just repeating the same over and over again. 90k peoples online each day.
Interesting, thanks for the info ShadoOow...
At least you can admit the bare face truth, it's getting pretty scary in the action platform (My preferred platform).
I'm looking forward to Neverwinter, something tells me it's not going to be like NWN2, nor D&D Online...
I think it's due to come out this year (November)...
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 03:52
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 05:50
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The funny thing is that I noticed that it seems to get pretty quiet every time summer comes along and
there is always a few who come on the forums asking "The END is NYE? during that same period.
My 2 cents.
there is always a few who come on the forums asking "The END is NYE? during that same period.
My 2 cents.
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 07:00
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Lord Sullivan wrote...
The funny thing is that I noticed that it seems to get pretty quiet every time summer comes along and
there is always a few who come on the forums asking "The END is NYE? during that same period.
My 2 cents.
And Guile seems to do that every year. The sad thing is he is helping it to end. When a new person come to the forums and the first thing they see is " The end is near", There chances of sticking around are less. They will most likely just move on the the next game.
My 2 cents is that threads like this do more harm then good.
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 08:04
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I have been noticing that new players have been joining several PWs every day. Seems things are actually increasing in the NWN World.
Awesome.
Awesome.
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 08:32
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Hmm, first an oddball riddle thread that I got sucked into:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/192/index/7184175/2#7472915
and now this. Please, don't waste anymore time on this sort of doom and gloom nonsense. As pointed out by others it just gives newcomers the wrong idea about the game and the Community in general. Like TSM Dude points out in another post, a lot of PWs are reporting increased traffic.
Just because the action servers may be down only points to fact that most such servers probably lack the depth that this sophisticated Community is looking for. Afterall, "HULK SMASH" is only SO amusing for only SO long.
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/192/index/7184175/2#7472915
and now this. Please, don't waste anymore time on this sort of doom and gloom nonsense. As pointed out by others it just gives newcomers the wrong idea about the game and the Community in general. Like TSM Dude points out in another post, a lot of PWs are reporting increased traffic.
Just because the action servers may be down only points to fact that most such servers probably lack the depth that this sophisticated Community is looking for. Afterall, "HULK SMASH" is only SO amusing for only SO long.
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 08:41
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All I have to say to such, is get ye fort to NW Connections.
And all your worries will be as none.
And all your worries will be as none.
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 09:42
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Quite true... but a few new people running games wouldn't come amiss as well... the "old guard" can't keep things going forever without some new blood.WebShaman wrote...
All I have to say to such, is get ye fort to NW Connections.
And all your worries will be as none.
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 10:16
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First, just to point out the obvious, saying that "the inevitable is coming" is a truism. It's sort of like proclaiming, "The immovable object is staying put." 
The question isn't whether the inevitable will come, but whether or not something is really inevitable in the timescales of interest.
Second, I agree with Lightfoot8 and others that all the doom-and-gloom talk doesn't serve any constructive purpose and probably hurts the game by discouraging new players from testing the waters at a PW. Even if declining numbers at action servers were the case, what's the benefit in focusing on it? It mostly comes across as negativity and not as a productive way to address the perceived issue.
I am not quite a newb anymore, but still one of the people who just started paying attention to the online community at the old forums not long before we moved here. I haven't really given PWs a try yet because there are so many modules to enjoy on the vault and I've only gone through a handful of them. (And, because I am a terrible typist!) Now my girlfriend plays, too, and we are thinking of PWs when we finish a couple HOF modules we have lined up. We figured it might be wise to see how we do in situations where there is no pause before plunging in to situations where there is no pause and there is no reload.
But newer forum visitors might not yet even know there is an NWN PW experience to be had. I have been here on the forums long enough to know that, whether or not there are as many PWs as there once were, people are still enjoying them. But, with a little experience as an admin on another game forum site, I can almost guarantee that most new people end up at these forums because they have some question about playing the SP game and about setting up MP with friends. It would be a shame if they got their "how do I beat the swords of never?" or "how do I get my CD keys from GOG?" question answered but then saw threads that look like they were written by the OC doomsayers in the City Core. They might not bother learning about all the add-ons, modules, PWs, and so on that make this such an awesome and enduring game.
In the interest of saying something possibly productive, if there is a shortage of players for action PWs, then finding them and getting the word out should be the focus. From my inexperienced perspective, there should be a wealth of action players waiting to be mined from among those who have gotten bored with various swords-and-sorcery MMORPGs and/or who are looking for something without subscription fees. It seems like those guys would be willing to give NWN PWs a try, especially when the direct cost to get up and running forever is lower than the one-month subscription for many MMORPGs. I don't play any MMORPGs, but if I were active on those games' forums, I would be mentioning NWN PWs as a great option for people looking to try something that's similar, awesome, and cheap.
The question isn't whether the inevitable will come, but whether or not something is really inevitable in the timescales of interest.Second, I agree with Lightfoot8 and others that all the doom-and-gloom talk doesn't serve any constructive purpose and probably hurts the game by discouraging new players from testing the waters at a PW. Even if declining numbers at action servers were the case, what's the benefit in focusing on it? It mostly comes across as negativity and not as a productive way to address the perceived issue.
I am not quite a newb anymore, but still one of the people who just started paying attention to the online community at the old forums not long before we moved here. I haven't really given PWs a try yet because there are so many modules to enjoy on the vault and I've only gone through a handful of them. (And, because I am a terrible typist!) Now my girlfriend plays, too, and we are thinking of PWs when we finish a couple HOF modules we have lined up. We figured it might be wise to see how we do in situations where there is no pause before plunging in to situations where there is no pause and there is no reload.
But newer forum visitors might not yet even know there is an NWN PW experience to be had. I have been here on the forums long enough to know that, whether or not there are as many PWs as there once were, people are still enjoying them. But, with a little experience as an admin on another game forum site, I can almost guarantee that most new people end up at these forums because they have some question about playing the SP game and about setting up MP with friends. It would be a shame if they got their "how do I beat the swords of never?" or "how do I get my CD keys from GOG?" question answered but then saw threads that look like they were written by the OC doomsayers in the City Core. They might not bother learning about all the add-ons, modules, PWs, and so on that make this such an awesome and enduring game.
In the interest of saying something possibly productive, if there is a shortage of players for action PWs, then finding them and getting the word out should be the focus. From my inexperienced perspective, there should be a wealth of action players waiting to be mined from among those who have gotten bored with various swords-and-sorcery MMORPGs and/or who are looking for something without subscription fees. It seems like those guys would be willing to give NWN PWs a try, especially when the direct cost to get up and running forever is lower than the one-month subscription for many MMORPGs. I don't play any MMORPGs, but if I were active on those games' forums, I would be mentioning NWN PWs as a great option for people looking to try something that's similar, awesome, and cheap.
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 10:18
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Indeed; been looking for some new players for my ongoing NWC campaign for awhile now.
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Posté 27 mai 2011 - 04:31
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i enjoyed Dungeons and Dragons Online but havent played in a while my ddo friends all stopped playing in favor of wow
but on ddo free to play accounts around midgame it gets hard since alot of the quests require cash shop content.
i completely agree with you tho btw i will be working on a potion of rest as you suggested on my rest shrine placeable on vault.
edit: then again lately i havent done much of any computer games but the one i myself am developing. but i still do play nwn and do nwn stuff. but im switching gears again to nwn instead of my computer game in progress which has been making alot of progress.
but on ddo free to play accounts around midgame it gets hard since alot of the quests require cash shop content.
i completely agree with you tho btw i will be working on a potion of rest as you suggested on my rest shrine placeable on vault.
edit: then again lately i havent done much of any computer games but the one i myself am developing. but i still do play nwn and do nwn stuff. but im switching gears again to nwn instead of my computer game in progress which has been making alot of progress.
_Guile wrote...
I fear that, as each 6 months or so passes more and more players leave NWNs...
Some return, but the number of total players continually fall...
Some RP Servers still seem to have a decent number of players still, but PW Action / Action is slowly dwindling down below 100 Players Total more often than not, there are less than 100 players on these platforms...
I just went through a player count in Action and it was sad looking indeed, what was once a 3000 + Player Platform has been reduced to near nothing...
It's hard to find a full server any more, and as one player suggested, there are only 3 or 4 servers even worth playing on. I was shaken by that statement, and I know some old dogs may not like this players thinking, but he has a point.
Playing by yourself on an empty server simply isn't fun, unless of course those servers are built strictly for solo play, but as often is the cast, this is NOT the case, so party modules that stay empty are just wasted Bandwidth unfortunately because there is nobody to play with.
I see the inevitable slow demise of this game coming. With many newer video cards being incompatible, and graphics in other games being more attractive, and of course Neverwinter is coming...
I don't know if Neverwinter will be Free To Play (once purchased), as I doubt TSR/WOTC can openly compete in the Pay to Play platform like WOW has, even if they did offer great graphics, it's a losing battle!
I looked at D&D Online, but didn't see enough insight into this online game, does anyone have insight?
I'm trying to figure out where all the D&D players went.. <_<
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Posté 27 mai 2011 - 07:33
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It's a sad irony if it's true, since as the game itself and its community stand there have never been more options for creating great, unique experiences.
The main difficulty as I see it is the OCs are drek, so no new generations of players are likely to pick the game up solely to play them and then discover the number of great PWs & single-player modules that are out there (and there are far more than 3-4).
Perhaps there is a better way to promote what the game and community have to offer...certainly better than streetpreaching that the end is near.
The main difficulty as I see it is the OCs are drek, so no new generations of players are likely to pick the game up solely to play them and then discover the number of great PWs & single-player modules that are out there (and there are far more than 3-4).
Perhaps there is a better way to promote what the game and community have to offer...certainly better than streetpreaching that the end is near.
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Posté 27 mai 2011 - 07:47
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I have posted on the GoodOldGames (GOG) NWN Diamond Edition forums several times in the past extolling the virtues of NWN PW servers, maybe others could all do the same and we could 'recruit' some new blood that way. NWN is like the wizard in the party:He may need resurrection more than any other member, but you're darn glad that he's there all the same.
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Posté 30 mai 2011 - 12:19
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This game is hardly dying because of one post, not in the least...
The game is dying because of other reasons...
Unfortunately playing the blame game will not bring the problems to resolution either.
The game is dying because of other reasons...
Unfortunately playing the blame game will not bring the problems to resolution either.
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Posté 30 mai 2011 - 02:34
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The game is almost 10 years old. As much as we enthusiasts love it, we shouldn't be surprised.
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Posté 30 mai 2011 - 03:20
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Before, I used to play every new game in a row. Since I bought NWN, I never even tried another one.
Not only because of my life, kids and all.
What a game. Dying?
In your dreams...
Not only because of my life, kids and all.
What a game. Dying?
In your dreams...
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Posté 30 mai 2011 - 03:27
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As someone said...this game won't "die" anytime soon.
It is slowly losing players, or "dying" as you said but then, we all are.
It is amazing for how long this game has been popular and it just shows how the industry has failed to create something similar but better for 10 years.
About the servers I do miss some servers and sadly the ones that I like don't have enough players.
I am trying to find a roleplay server that is not all too serious and in the same time vanilla/"oldschool"/Forgotten Realms with good world design....but it is not as easy as it might sound....so that is what gives a "deserted feeling" a bit.
...while some servers are really well populated...only I don't see me doing the trade off by dumping the playstyle that I like.
I've been trying to get together with some friends using Xfire, Skype, MSN or whatever...but there just never seem to be enough of us at the same time wanting to play on the same server/same game unfortunately....as I am not playing that ultra much myself and even lately been playing mostly Minecraft...cause its fun, multiplayer and creative.
Almost totally deserted my ideas of making a PW from scratch. There are some new PW out that I kind of like. They have almost everything...except players.
It is slowly losing players, or "dying" as you said but then, we all are.
It is amazing for how long this game has been popular and it just shows how the industry has failed to create something similar but better for 10 years.
About the servers I do miss some servers and sadly the ones that I like don't have enough players.
I am trying to find a roleplay server that is not all too serious and in the same time vanilla/"oldschool"/Forgotten Realms with good world design....but it is not as easy as it might sound....so that is what gives a "deserted feeling" a bit.
...while some servers are really well populated...only I don't see me doing the trade off by dumping the playstyle that I like.
I've been trying to get together with some friends using Xfire, Skype, MSN or whatever...but there just never seem to be enough of us at the same time wanting to play on the same server/same game unfortunately....as I am not playing that ultra much myself and even lately been playing mostly Minecraft...cause its fun, multiplayer and creative.
Almost totally deserted my ideas of making a PW from scratch. There are some new PW out that I kind of like. They have almost everything...except players.
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Posté 30 mai 2011 - 08:12
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Here's my 2 cents. I was a DAILY player for 5 years. I posted on ECB just about as often. It was a glorious time! Alot of creativity in character building! Amazing ideas changed hands! It was an exciting time to be a part of nwn. As we get older, other stuff becomes a priority (wife and children for me). NWN is close to last place now, if that.
It is my humble opinion that it ISNT the pws! It isnt the mods! It is the players that make it. Like any old timer would say, "We can't do it for you." We did it already for ourselves! There were 10 pages on one thread of ridiculous discussion when "we" did it years ago with coutresy and maybe alittle jibbing. TO be quite honest, nwn died in 2009. That's when I really saw this attitude come in where "Im new so F&*K what you say". That killed it for many. I was never an angel, far from it, but I always tried to learn.
The ONLY way nwn will fill up is with this sort of player coming to nwn. For you who still take up the scrimter and tower, I hope they come! It was amazing!!!
It is my humble opinion that it ISNT the pws! It isnt the mods! It is the players that make it. Like any old timer would say, "We can't do it for you." We did it already for ourselves! There were 10 pages on one thread of ridiculous discussion when "we" did it years ago with coutresy and maybe alittle jibbing. TO be quite honest, nwn died in 2009. That's when I really saw this attitude come in where "Im new so F&*K what you say". That killed it for many. I was never an angel, far from it, but I always tried to learn.
The ONLY way nwn will fill up is with this sort of player coming to nwn. For you who still take up the scrimter and tower, I hope they come! It was amazing!!!
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Posté 31 mai 2011 - 03:55
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Hey. I'm still here. I don't have a lot of gaming time, but I build every night in preparation for my return.
Since we're all throwing pennies into the pot I'd like to throw in a couple of my own.
We need to stop fighting with the NWN2 folks. Who the hell cares which is "better"? All it does is divide what's really a single community. Personally I love both. I still build in NWN1, but that's not because it's better. I LOVE the NWN2 toolset. It's just a time issue. Electron is a lot sexier than Aurora. If I had time to woo her I'd have her shorts around her ankles 5 nights a week.
When and if Neverwinter ever comes to fruition we need to welcome those folks too. It doesn't sound like my cup of tea, but for every hundred casual gamers it lures in I'll wager one or two will want to try something a little deeper. Those are potential enthusiasts.
As a very wise man once said, "A house divided against itself cannot stand".
Since we're all throwing pennies into the pot I'd like to throw in a couple of my own.
We need to stop fighting with the NWN2 folks. Who the hell cares which is "better"? All it does is divide what's really a single community. Personally I love both. I still build in NWN1, but that's not because it's better. I LOVE the NWN2 toolset. It's just a time issue. Electron is a lot sexier than Aurora. If I had time to woo her I'd have her shorts around her ankles 5 nights a week.
When and if Neverwinter ever comes to fruition we need to welcome those folks too. It doesn't sound like my cup of tea, but for every hundred casual gamers it lures in I'll wager one or two will want to try something a little deeper. Those are potential enthusiasts.
As a very wise man once said, "A house divided against itself cannot stand".
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Posté 31 mai 2011 - 04:58
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The NWN and NWN2 Communities are not "divided" - they were never a part of each other.
Some from the NWN Community moved over to NWN2 (some came back). They are both different games, and are not related.
So one could say that the NWN2 Community borrowed from the NWN Community (to put it nicely).
The truth is that most cannot really build in both communities - because time is always a factor.
Some from the NWN Community moved over to NWN2 (some came back). They are both different games, and are not related.
So one could say that the NWN2 Community borrowed from the NWN Community (to put it nicely).
The truth is that most cannot really build in both communities - because time is always a factor.
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Posté 31 mai 2011 - 06:00
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Thanks Shamen. That was very helpful. Really. Good work.
God forbid an NWN2 builder should ever help me with an NWN script...
God forbid an NWN2 builder should ever help me with an NWN script...
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Posté 31 mai 2011 - 12:05
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It is not a question of one or the other communities helping one another - that occurs often enough.
It is simply a question of time and resources - or rather, lack thereof.
To convert much of NWN resources into usable form for NWN2, many would have to completely abandon NWN in order to be able to put in the time and effort required to do so. A complete "brain drain" and talent vacuum so to speak.
As for the other direction...well, one doesn't seem to see much of that. Other than the one or other model or texture, there just has not been much of a NWN2 -> NWN flow.
So what is really being asked here (and has been asked since NWN2 came out) is for NWNers to abandon NWN for NWN2.
And I am against that.
It is simply a question of time and resources - or rather, lack thereof.
To convert much of NWN resources into usable form for NWN2, many would have to completely abandon NWN in order to be able to put in the time and effort required to do so. A complete "brain drain" and talent vacuum so to speak.
As for the other direction...well, one doesn't seem to see much of that. Other than the one or other model or texture, there just has not been much of a NWN2 -> NWN flow.
So what is really being asked here (and has been asked since NWN2 came out) is for NWNers to abandon NWN for NWN2.
And I am against that.
