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[SuperFly_2000]

Yeah...there are enough common denominators that bind the communties together.

At least the move of the NWN1 forum here has made us more aware of what is going on with NWN2 as well. Also as most have pointed out already there are enough areas where NWN1/2 people stay together or even help each other.

That is not a problem or anything else. It is just a symbiosis.

Personally I will always have a sour taste in my mouth concerning NWN2 as it at the time it was introduced dragged players from the NWN1 community as I thought, for no reason at all. Effectively closing down the server I was playing on, "moving resources to NWN2", despite my loud attempts to hinder it.

For what little it was worth I was proven right later when that NWN2 server miserably failed and panic attempts where made to bring the NWN1 server with its former glory...which never happend because most people had "moved on" as they called it. Either to other games or to grown up life.

Please understand that I am not bashing NWN2 with the above. I am just stating what happend with that server and that my own oppinion always will be tainted by this....even though I theese days gladly share anything with the NWN2 community and I really do believe we should realise what bind us together.

Now to what we can do.

I have been trying for a long time to convince people from the MMO-crowd that NWN is the perfect F2P MMO.

Thats just one thing.

As most know I have been trying to get all of the MP community together on Xfire under the Xfire community I made there....with so-so success.

One thing that happend was that Xfire was bought by a company everyone thought would scrap Xfire or halt development as a whole. Now two years after that it is in fact still live and will. Sure...development of it is a lot slower but it is under control...

What I know there are no better messenger programs for playing NWN. Raptor is ok but isn't even near Xfire in functionalty. Steam has even less functionality and close to nothing for NWN1.

Modifié par SuperFly_2000, 31 mai 2011 - 02:34 .

[TSMDude]

SuperFly_2000 wrote...


As most know I have been trying to get all of the MP community together on Xfire under the Xfire community I made there....with so-so success.
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Really? By stating things like this?

SuperFly_2000 wrote...

 Especially on self proclaimed "hardcore roleplaying servers".

 my will to crusade against elitist RP servers....

I think you might want to rethink that All 4 One mentality you are touting as it seems to not be a All 4 One when you single out role playing servers in your community as the enemy rather than a true NWN Community. As I have stated before giving even one serve rprefence ove another is the anti Community approach.

True Community and full MP acceptence once again only comes from letting ALL NWN Servers in. In the PW Admin thing we allowed Social, Action, RP, even Harry Potter and Modern servers in because it is a Community thing.

Modifié par TSMDude, 31 mai 2011 - 06:45 .

[UrkOfGreyhawk]

Yeah. TSM Dude makes a valid point, Superfly. I like the X fire platform, although it does bring an occasional munchkin prowling into one of my "elitist rp" hangouts and that always pisses me off.

I don't suppose you remember the X-Fire Snafu we had when one of your munchkin buddies followed you into a DM tutorial Skunkeen and I were running? We were trying to teach newbies some tricks of the DM trade and some idiot named ragdollknight popped in and started spawning in monsters to eat the NPCs and penguining everybody.

It got so bad we had to restart the server and ban his CD key.

I generally keep X-Fire turned off during real RP sessions. But I agree it's a great matchmaking tool.

If you really want to get the MP community involved you're going to have to at least agree to disagree with those of us in the the hardcore RP crowd. A part of that means creating a culture of respect for "cultural" differences between servers and discouraging boorish behavior when visiting new servers until the "house rules" can be established.

Shamen, I understand your bitterness. I REALLY do. I was also quite antagonistic when NWN2 came out. I felt betrayed that the MP client was so buggy. I was angry that so little was done to improve gameplay. I hated that it was so hard to attach animations to models. And I said so. Forcefully. Every chance I got.  I even got banned from the old forums for "Atari Bashing" during the whole MoW debacle...
http://urksoutpost.b...-banned-by.html

Boy... did I call that or what?

But you know what?

NWN2 isn't so bad. Most of us play both. We share the same websites. We share the same forums. Our primary matchmaking site, NWC, caters to both versions. The toolsets are similar, and the scripting languages are almost identical. The rules are basically identical. Both games are becoming retro and suffering from a shrinking player base.

At least at NWC we're actively trying to create a culture of cooperation. A single community of like minded gamers. I may prefer mustangs and you may prefer explorers, but what's important is that we both love Fords.

Nobody is suggesting that NWN users should switch to NWN2, at least I'm not. My personal preferance is still NWN, but I reserve the right to join an NWN2 game if a particulary good DM is running one I'm interested in, or build an NWN2 module if I find myself with time on my hands.

I'm just suggesting that we let go of all the bitterness and angst and celebrate what we have in common rather than dwell on our differences. The entire community will last longer that way.

We're much stronger together than we are apart.

Modifié par UrkOfGreyhawk, 31 mai 2011 - 08:13 .

[SuperFly_2000]

TSMDude,
I don't know why you are coming at me again with quotes from other threads (ripped from their context) but at least I will comment more this time. Take a look on the server list on my Xfire guild page again and you will see that it contains a lot of different servers.

One thing I have choosen is to have some handpicked servers that are really good but that have a low amount of players. I mean it is not more than right to give theese servers a little extra visibility right?

You know as well as me that I can't put EVERY server there. Thats like a thousand servers or what? I mean its the same thing as telling CEP they need to put each and every custom content on the vault in their pack...otherwise they are not the "community" expansion pack. So...they are actually CHOOSING what to put in right? Well...you get the point.

Anyway, to get you off my back :-P If you want your server on the list just message me the appropriate information that I need (see the news section for examples). Later on I can also make more news posts for you or even create events. Just need to get back from a one week vacation.


Urk,
haha yeah Urk. Well...as I said....Xfire does draw a lot of action/PvP/L337 crowd whom not all of are eloquent and grown up. Still I have many friends there that like RP as well.

About "elitist RP" I don't know what context that is from but its not like I hate every RP server as I play on most of them myself. The thing is that too much RP destroys the game for me. While that is a con for me I understand some get a kick of the near-social type of RP so I'll leave it at that. I just think it is a shame that the RP-servers can't have a littttle more action in them....as they usually are so good out of any other aspect for that kind of play as well.

Modifié par SuperFly_2000, 31 mai 2011 - 08:22 .

[TSMDude]

SuperFly_2000 wrote...

Anyway, to get you off my back :-P If you want your server on the list just message me the appropriate information that I need (see the news section for examples). Later on I can also make more news posts for you or even create events. Just need to get back from a one week vacation.

About "elitist RP" I don't know what context that is from but its not like I hate every RP server as I play on most of them myself. The thing is that too much RP destroys the game for me. While that is a con for me I understand some get a kick of the near-social type of RP so I'll leave it at that. I just think it is a shame that the RP-servers can't have a littttle more action in them....as they usually are so good out of any other aspect for that kind of play as well.

1/ I do not want my players server listed like that. Honestly it would be better to rotate them once a week. Community is about sharing. If I said cool, list us and all is forgiven then I am doing a dis to the Community I care about.

2/ I see players on our server travel constantly and go out and fight and rp. I see just as many sit around and rp in the taverns. I see that on a lot of servers including two of which you listed on your front page when I visited a year ago or longer and realized how it worked.

PWs, SPs, and MPs along with CC and just about every thing in betwen from modders to scripters to bald sasquatches and thier mommas have played or play NWN and with such a wide range of people it is paramount if you take on a name like NWN Community and contuine to promote the XFire as a NWN Community you include parts of all of them.

I wish I had thought of it but tbh if I did then I would never have time to run a PW or make SP Modules. As is I dont even get to play as a player and only DM or create. This is something you need to decide on your own if you truly are going to be all about Community or at least be honest and say this is Superfly's Suppah Servers Community.

And Urk, i understand your bitterness to NWN2 and feel your pain. I am seeing though it slowly heal and thankfully it is begning to work itself out like Aunt Marthas pecan pie after Thanksgiving.

[SuperFly_2000]

TSMDude wrote...
1/ I do not want my players server listed like that.

When I said "..to get you off my back" I said it jokingly. Notice the smiley. No, this is a true proposal. Lately I have given a couple of servers, that I am frankly not at all interested in, opportunity to be listed in the guild, for the sole reason that they asked nicely and with the proper information needed.

[WebShaman]

I have no bitterness towards NWN2 - it is a thing of the past for me.

What would be of interest, and would unite the communities IMHO, is to create an Open Source Framework that could "plug" both NWN2 and NWN into it. Able to use resources from both games.

After all, NWN2 was supposed to run NWN Mods before that landed on the cutting room floor.

That would be something interesting, wouldn't it?

I think it would be a huge step forward, if one could unite the party mode of NWN2 with what we have with NWN. The targeting template for spells, and perhaps a few other things from NWN2. I am not so happy with the graphical "form" of NWN2 - especially the models, animations, etc are truly horrid IMHO. I prefer NWN to NWN2 in that regards. Would be nice to have the piece armor coloring and customizing that we have in NWN for NWN2 ingame, not just in the toolset.

Having the Outdoor toolset feature of NWN2 for NWN.  I would like that.

An Open Source Framework that could use whatever one wanted from both games. I would find that very intriguing.

Modifié par WebShaman, 01 juin 2011 - 01:39 .

[UrkOfGreyhawk]

Dude I've followed your posts for a LONG time. The waters may run deep but they are certainly not still. You're still harboring some anger, but I'm glad to hear you're thinking in terms of working with the NWN2 folks. The external framework idea is, indeed, awesome.

[Lord Sullivan]

UrkOfGreyhawk wrote...

Dude I've followed your posts for a LONG time. The waters may run deep but they are certainly not still. You're still harboring some anger, but I'm glad to hear you're thinking in terms of working with the NWN2 folks. The external framework idea is, indeed, awesome.

You judge but are wrong. WebShaman is pretty much like me in regards to NWN2.
We were oncw angry but has long past, but NWN2's truths for us remain.

Frankly, NWN2 to me is nothing but a ghost, a long forgotten aberration and it will remain so.

Modifié par Lord Sullivan, 02 juin 2011 - 01:22 .

[WebShaman]

The waters may run deep but they are certainly not still. You're still harboring some anger
- UrkofGreyhawk

Incendiary and subjective. It suggests that the opposite may be true here - that I have moved on, but others perhaps still dwell on the past here.

Much of what I see "suggested" for the Communities is in reality a poorly hidden desire to see more for one, at the expense of the other. Because as has been mentioned and proven, there simply is not enough time and resources to concentrate on both games at the same time as things currently are.

To unite the Communities in a common effort, one has to pitch something that appeals to BOTH of them, something that is beneficial to both without being detrimental to one or the other.

I think something along the lines that I have mentioned would provide just that. This is, I believe, what united (somewhat) the BG & BGII folks way back then.

Modifié par WebShaman, 02 juin 2011 - 01:01 .

[TSMDude]

WebShaman wrote...

To unite the Communities in a common effort, one has to pitch something that appeals to BOTH of them, something that is beneficial to both without being detrimental to one or the other.

Beer and donuts?

[apunyfly]

I just want to mention a couple of things here. I received NWN deluxe in 2006 (or was it 2007 ?) and played it on and off for three years. Awesome. Then, in august 2010, I discovered the ongoing community. Great ! People still love this game ! But lo, I can't play it much because it's installed on my brother's pc, not patched, and I'll have little time during the year to deal with that.

So here I am, waiting for this summer to be able to properly play it. But I'm a solo player, so you won't hear too much from me. But you had better still all be kicking around, or I'll be very angry indeed.

And so I would say I'm a small part of the nwn community, but not one that's done much so far. But I don't plan on letting the game go anytime soon.

There probably are some other players like me, don't forget us. I still try to follow the going-ons and have noticed some mods I intend to download...

[kittycatArcane]

What is all this doom and gloom, the end is near, NWN2-vs-NWN nonsense!? Come on, crying out that the end is coming isn't gonna make it any better. Drag your friends in kicking and screaming if you have to!

[Faramir Storm]

apunyfly wrote...

So here I am, waiting for this summer to be able to properly play it. But I'm a solo player, so you won't hear too much from me. But you had better still all be kicking around, or I'll be very angry indeed.

And so I would say I'm a small part of the nwn community, but not one that's done much so far. But I don't plan on letting the game go anytime soon.

There probably are some other players like me, don't forget us. I still try to follow the going-ons and have noticed some mods I intend to download...

same here, i'm a solo player and enjoyed playing NWN, SOU, and HOTU.  NW vault is great, i get to play all these great modules people make.  i sincerely hope that all you great module designers keep creating content, as i see no reason to quit NWN anytime soon.

[Jenna WSI]

If anyone wants to promote NWN, just look to the comic stores near you that host classic DND games. I posted a little flyer at the one near me. We're more likely to appeal to some old timers who are familiar with this game system and want a little exploration or roleplaying on the side, at leisure, when it won't take 5+ hours at the table. Not everyone can fit that into a schedule, but may still love the experience of it in a smaller dose.

[Pstemarie]

TSMDude wrote...

WebShaman wrote...

To unite the Communities in a common effort, one has to pitch something that appeals to BOTH of them, something that is beneficial to both without being detrimental to one or the other.

Beer and donuts?

I prefer hefty overdoses of Mountain Dew - beer gives me gas and makes me sleepy.

[Shadooow]

Faramir Storm wrote...

apunyfly wrote...

So here I am, waiting for this summer to be able to properly play it. But I'm a solo player, so you won't hear too much from me. But you had better still all be kicking around, or I'll be very angry indeed.

And so I would say I'm a small part of the nwn community, but not one that's done much so far. But I don't plan on letting the game go anytime soon.

There probably are some other players like me, don't forget us. I still try to follow the going-ons and have noticed some mods I intend to download...

same here, i'm a solo player and enjoyed playing NWN, SOU, and HOTU.  NW vault is great, i get to play all these great modules people make.  i sincerely hope that all you great module designers keep creating content, as i see no reason to quit NWN anytime soon.

If you really want to ensure that, then comment, critique, vote on each module you play. The builders needs feedback more than anything, its what keeps us going on.

[henesua]

I agree with ShaDoOoW. Other than the self satisfaction of exercising my own creativity, I do this for the feedback.

[Faramir Storm]

ShaDoOoW wrote...

Faramir Storm wrote...

apunyfly wrote...

So here I am, waiting for this summer to be able to properly play it. But I'm a solo player, so you won't hear too much from me. But you had better still all be kicking around, or I'll be very angry indeed.

And so I would say I'm a small part of the nwn community, but not one that's done much so far. But I don't plan on letting the game go anytime soon.

There probably are some other players like me, don't forget us. I still try to follow the going-ons and have noticed some mods I intend to download...

same here, i'm a solo player and enjoyed playing NWN, SOU, and HOTU.  NW vault is great, i get to play all these great modules people make.  i sincerely hope that all you great module designers keep creating content, as i see no reason to quit NWN anytime soon.

If you really want to ensure that, then comment, critique, vote on each module you play. The builders needs feedback more than anything, its what keeps us going on.

absolutely!  if the module is great or epic, i definitely do vote.  some of my all time favorites: Sands of Fate by John McA; A Dance with Rogues by Valine, just to name a few. 

[Pstemarie]

ShaDoOoW wrote...

If you really want to ensure that, then comment, critique, vote on each module you play. The builders needs feedback more than anything, its what keeps us going on.

That about sums it all up - feedback is essential.

[Azador]

I'm confident NWN has plenty of life in it still. If I wasn't confident of that, I wouldn't be spending hours upon hours every day working on a new PW for it.

This is, frankly, the best place to get highly immersive roleplay. No other game can compete. The reason the numbers are dwindling is probably because NWN isn't advertised at all. Most just don't know it exists - it's a bit of a hidden gem of roleplaying goodness.

[motorheadabega]

As a returning old player and new member on these forums, this is my first post. Perhaps this is the most appropriate thread on which to make this bold declaration.

I bought NWN Gold in June 2003 when the Linux client was first released, and played it straight through to 2005... bought Neverwinter Nights Diamond a few years ago to try out the Premium modules and relatively new CEP...

Then I got into NWN2 for awhile. some friends suggested that it was a worthy successor to NWN, but that was not my experience. The interface was klunky, and for all its fancy graphics had to play with all the fancy bells and whistles turned off and still it was choppy. NWN1 is by far the better game - it sings even with all graphics sliders cranked to the right. The CEP provides more than enough functionality to supersede NWN2,

Now I have the itch again., but I can no longer find the install media nor the paper with CD keys on it, and the CD key stored on my Bioware account was from 2003 (I must have registered my earlier NWN:D under a different account - can't remember). So I bought it again.

Point is: I do not regret buying NWN: Diamond yet again. This game that spawned a community has come farther than its creators ever could have brought it by themselves. Everyone still playing NWN should be proud of what they have accomplished as a community - BioWare/EA/Origin/WOTC/Hasbro notwithstanding.

I am going through some hassle with BioWare trying to get my new CD keys registered, but once that settles, you can expect to see me on a few of the PW's discussed here. That is the frontier where NWN exists now.

Sorry playneverwinter, but I cannot and will not play D&D 4th ed anything - any more than I could go back to 1st ed AD&D now. 3.5 is the high water mark of D&D for all time. This is where I have chosen to make my stand. See you out there.

[Jenna WSI]

Great post motorhead. I totally agree with you about 4e... boycotting everything released in it.

[UrkOfGreyhawk]

I actually bought the fourth edition core books, but for a variety of reasons I won't be using them. My classic campaign is staying on OSRIC and my 3.5 campaign is being migrated to Pathfinder. I won't be using 4th edition at all.

Modifié par UrkOfGreyhawk, 11 juin 2011 - 01:26 .

[WebShaman]

UrkOfGreyhawk wrote...

I actually bought the fourth edition core books, but for a variety of reasons I won't be using them. My classic campaign is staying on OSRIC and my 3.5 campaign is being migrated to Pathfinder. I won't be using 4th edition at all.

Word.

Pathfinder is the true successor to 3.5, hands down.

I would love to see another NWN based on Pathfinder!