David Gaider wrote...
I'd be careful with the assumptions. Her plan (or Flemeth's plan, if you prefer) was to convince ANY Grey Warden to perform the ritual prior to the final battle. It doesn't have to be you or Alistair, and there's no way she could have known that the confrontation would come so soon -- unless you'd really prefer to think that her ideal plan was to make that kind of last-minute hard sell. Clearly she saw an opportunity and she took it, making the best out of a bad situation (especially if neither Alistair/Loghain or the PC were her biggest fans).
I agree, but like I said above : we can send her off anytime, and we're, at least at the start, the only two Warden she knows. It's quite a bit weird for her to NOT play it conservatively, just in case.
Also, the more you advance in the game, the clearer it becomes that you have a good chance to be the one facing the Archdemon if you survive. So she should, logically, at least pretend to become friendlier with both of you. She can becomes friend with the PC - but it's rather the PC becoming friend with her, she doesn't lift a fingher to make herself more liked. And she and Alistair stay at the throat of each others the whole time.
Anyway, what I mean in the end is that, for something she was ready to risk her life for and was planned all along, she wasn't really trying to be efficient at it.
It seems it's become very common for people to invoke the "Mary Sue" comment when they simply wish to bash a character they don't like or don't understand. I don't think Morrigan fits your standard Mary Sue build, and certainly I don't see her as a projection of myself in the slightest. If you prefer to think of her as wielding the Plot Hammer, that's up to you, but that's not the same thing as being a Mary Sue, either.
Well, I was thinking more of a "Mary Sue Moment" than a "Mary Sue Character".
Plot Hammer (or, rather, Plot Armor ^^) is more like "whatever you do, you'll fail, because the character is protected by Plot Armor and you won't be able to kill him". For example, I would say that this Anora b*tch had a pretty thick (and VERY IRRITATING) Plot Armor. But the use of Mary Sue about Morrigan comes more from the "I'll walk by you smugly and you'll do nothing" scene just after we threaten of killing her. It just feels like and looks like a "Mary Sue Moment", which doesn't mean self-insertion but rather "this character pwn all, even the hero" (self-insertion is a VERY common feature of Mary Sue, but not a necessary one). There is really no logical reason why a PC that threaten to kill her would simply cross his arm and pout while she goes past him with a smug taunting smile on her face.
I'm not accusing you of making a Mary Sue, but I say that this scene feels like it.
After all, you wonder yourself in your other post why everyone think that Morrigan HAS to be a central character and the like. Well, this scene is pretty much the reason of it, I would say.
Insofar as Morrigan leaving when she's in love with the player, I'll say this: Morrigan says right from the get go that she sees love as a weakness. Then she falls in love with you. Did it tempt her to sway from her mission? No doubt it did -- and that would have frightened her more than anything else, don't you think? It is possible to do what you have to do even when love is on the line. People who believe otherwise are, I think, being a little too romantic. And this is why Morrigan told you from the beginning that it wasn't going to work like you thought it would. She didn't want to get close, maybe even resented the fact that she was being sent for that very purpose -- especially when it went against her very nature. Whether you think she acted like she did because of or despite that is up to you.
I didn't romance Morrigan (Leli for the win !), so I have nothing to say about it. I did end up as a friend with her, though.
Again, my gripes with her ending are not about the romance, but about 1) that she doesn't even try to not antagonize the persons on which all her plans depend (even if she expects that things will evolve and she may find other Grey Wardens, Alister and the PC are the only ones she has at the beginning, and her only way to get to more) and 2) her ability to ignore the PC, and the PC not being able to even try to act, when she reveals the ending - and the setting of the scene just highlight it, making it even more grating.
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the difficulty of adding every possible action the player can take. Killing Morrigan at the end seems like an obvious one though - perhaps it should be modded in. Not sure what that would do to your data if they read savegames for a sequel or expansion though.
