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[Jacks-Up]

The Angry One wrote...

ReubenLiew wrote...

What I want to see a continuation of is the God-kid vs the Superman kid.
Could you imagine the sheer awesomeness of that battle? It'll make the archdemon fight look like two toddlers slapping each other.

"What-ho, Ser Superman is here to fight yon villainy."

ROFL good one I think that super-man thing is going to haunt them

[Mikka-chan]

I admit I don't like how my character doesn't have options with Morrigan. For the other characters, you can say things when they're about to leave or make a decision- you can't always make the decision for them, but your character is very rarely stuck in stasis not able to do a thing. With Morrigan, it was the same way. I never played a character that wanted to kill her (although I could see characters who might want to- be it because of religion, or because they loved her and felt betrayed, or because she's spent the whole game trying to hurt people and now revealed her desire to mother the soul of the archdemon), but I certainly didn't want her loose until after the arch-demon was killed.



Shape-shifting, as the game shows us, is not an instant-cast sort of thing. A mage character may have Glyphs of Paralysis, Force Field (or Force Cage), Paralyze, a cold freeze, and many other options. There's shattershot for archers, and almost all melees have some sort of knock-down. That's not to mention that even if her shapeshifting is instant, so is a kick to the nuts (or wings) or some sort of flurry/whirlwind. This aside, it isn't instant- she actually saunters on past someone who just threatened to kill her, who by game rules, very likely can kill her (in general, I've found the PC versus a lone mage is a fairly easy contest). There doesn't seem to be any reason why that has to be so, either: she may wind up dead in her epilogue, so why can she not be stopped at that point?



Because she's 'Special'? Because the writers wanted to work in a Morrigan is Cool moment? And the moment works very well, for those who refuse her but part in... something that touches on good terms, or sadness, or regret, or whatever. It doesn't work nearly as well for someone who wants to kill her but is apparently too stupid just to stick a leg out and trip her.

[Popemaster123]

Infiltrator wrote...
 that there should have been a completely different dialog/event path depending on whether or not you were romancing Morrigan. Clearly NOT the case, a few dialogue lines don't make nearly as much of a difference.

Isnt claudia Black pregnant ro soemthignt though?because she refused any more staragte film offers because of that and micheal shanks confirmed soemthing about a pregnacy or baby....so time constraints alwasy remember time constraints and if you dont like that romance then DON'T do it.

[_Infiltrator]

That isn't even a valid question because of course the game would have been different with unlimited time and resources, but that isn't how reality works or the industry.  I see where you are going with this but this is just unrealistic and not really going to give you a satisfactory answer.

Uh, do you know who Blizzard is? They have virtually unlimited timelines and funds. You know what, if they had a significant - not unlimited - increase in funds, would they consider improving this hollow point (imo) of the story or not?

[Quett]

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[MassEffect762]

The whole game was more or less a kick in the balls/blue balls.



Morrigan played her part as we all know, expansion? or sequel with your origins choices? ppfff don't hold your breath.

[IronVanguard]

I don't know how much sense the baby makes, but I am never letting Loghain make it again.



Ever.



The horror. I've faced Broodmothers that weren't that scary.....

[mireigi]

I have to admit that I love the romance but that I also dislike the ending. As I've wrote in another thread on this forum, I'd hoped for a revisit to the BG2 romance with Viconia where you take a heartless cold outsider and bring her into the fold.



I found a teint of that in the dialogue with Morrigan in the camp after the Prologue, but I'm guessing that it's the same dialogue whether or not you chose to romance her, as long as she's at Friendly at the end.

[EvilEdison]

I was very disappointed with the Morrigan ending, not so much for what happened, but for the fact that you don't even get a lousy cut scene to wrap it up. Where's the big Hollywood moment where she is running off after the battle and you confront her in a last ditch effort to stop her? All you get is a lousy text box? Very underwhelming. While I appreciate all the trivial tidbits sprinkled throughout the game (histories of places I won't see, love letters between people I'll never meet, etc, etc) I think the developers would have been better served to spend a bit more time on the key story elements.

[Phitos]

I have to agree with EvilEdison.



Although the romance itself is really well written, the end is.. disappointing at best.

[Beretzik]

 I just finished my second playthrough, and while I wasn't particularly -happy- with the way things went with Morrigan, I'm not really upset either. I will however be upset if this is the last we ever see of her, and the Dev's never give the option of reuniting with her in a DLC or DA2. 

As for happy endings, I think we shouldn't limit the term 'happy' to the standard picket fence and children. My character throughout the game was a frickin -monster-. After Arl Howe killed his family, I figure he'd kinda snap and all. As a result, he was absolutely driven to get what he wanted and to hell with the moralizing. As things developed, one thing he wanted, and didn't just 'use', was Morrigan. So while he accepted her deal with the child, he'll be damned if he lets the woman he loves just disappear with such a s****ty explanation as 'this is how things have to be'. Nothing, in his mind, is how things 'have to be'. After all, I just spent the last 60 game hours making him kill -alot- of things to prove that point.

And since he went ahead and arranged a political marriage with Anora, he's gonna have alot of resources to look for Morrigan when the time comes. So this has all the makings of a good story in my mind, if the developers let it continue, which I hope they do. Ending it like this though, would be terrible (and pulling a Viconia would be just unforgiveable.... who's bright idea was it to wack her off camera anyway?!?! ) 

So yeah, what I hope for is the possibility of having a good ending with Morrigan that does make sense. In my character's scenario, I wouldn't mind if the two did their own thing but still saw each other when all was said and done. -That- makes sense and could still be considered happy. Morrigan isn't exactly wife material anyway 

Modifié par Beretzik, 02 décembre 2009 - 12:39 .

[darkmax1974]

the origin for the human noble suck... the only good thing that came out of the game for him/her was dealing with his romance with Morrigan. I was hoping the ending would be more satisfying, but no.... after the ritual and the final battle, she just disappear. Most players would choose to look for her, but the ending epilogue only suggested that she regrets leaving and then naught.....



Dissatisfied with the ending.



If there is going to be a DLC on this arc of the ending, I guess Bioware will make more than a few million dollars on it in the first week it becomes available.

[Clovis-]

I think I understand why Morrigan decides to follow her mission; what I really can't seem to pin down, is why she refuses any contact with you, for her and her child. There are compromises, that is one seriously strict ultimatum.

[Ulicus]

Playing through the first time with a male noble who romanced her, I thought the Morrigan ending was awesome, honestly. Totally not what I was expecting. If anything - given her frequent comments about how much you were both going to regret everything - I was expecting her to betray the Warden (however unwilling). That she didn't, and that she instead had to leave the Warden was both surprising and far more heartbreaking.

I'd have maybe liked the opportunity to say the "I don't want to lose you" line without having to suggest Alistair for the job, first, (because I love her response and Black's delivery)... but,  yeah, still awesome.

Of course, I like star-crossed....

David Gaider wrote...
The original cinematics had her changing into a bird and flying out the window.

Ohh, crow/raven, perchance?

Clovis- wrote...

I think I understand why Morrigan
decides to follow her mission; what I really can't seem to pin down, is
why she refuses any contact with you, for her and her child. There are
compromises, that is one seriously strict ultimatum.

I get the impression that there's a reason for this beyond "she wanted to raise the child alone". Especially if you've befriended/romanced her. Given the relationship between Old Gods and the taint... maybe having a Grey Warden around a child with the soul of an Old God isn't the best idea? Maybe the child is vulnerable to being corrupted again until it reaches maturity? Who knows? Maybe it is spoken in the Ancient Book Of Stock Prophecies that the One Who Will Bring Freedom will have never known his/her father?

I suspect it's not as simple as "omg Morrigan wants to eat the baby's soul/possess it and become powerful", in any case.

I mean, I don't know, I'm starting to buy into the idea that Flemeth may be one of the ancient magisters who (actually or metaphorically) "entered the Golden City" (given the "leafless tree" motif of her grimoire) and that maybe, just maybe, this "rebirth" of the Old Gods was their true goal all along... with the darkspawn being an unfortunate and/or necessary consequence.

But, yeah, who knows? (Besides the writers, I guess)

Modifié par Ulicus, 15 décembre 2009 - 05:33 .

[darkmax1974]

Flemeth could very well be a reformed archdemon.



Could Morrigan left because she felt that the father might have to make the decision to kill the child eventually?



Whatever the case, DLC content for events after the final battle seem impossible. So an expansion/sequel would be expected. I certainly hope to be able to port my character to the new game.

[gotthammer]

darkmax1974 wrote...

the origin for the human noble suck... the only good thing that came out of the game for him/her was dealing with his romance with Morrigan. I was hoping the ending would be more satisfying, but no.... after the ritual and the final battle, she just disappear. Most players would choose to look for her, but the ending epilogue only suggested that she regrets leaving and then naught.....

Dissatisfied with the ending.

If there is going to be a DLC on this arc of the ending, I guess Bioware will make more than a few million dollars on it in the first week it becomes available.

I was, from the perspective of enjoying the overall story, happy w/ the ending. I mean, sure it was 'painful'/heart-wrenching, particularly if you grew attached to Morrigan's character, but her leaving made much more of an impact, IMHO. (esp. if you chose dialogue options stating that you'd look for/follow her, etc.)

If the story ended 'happily', I think I'd actually be disappointed as that would have seemed so...cliche.

That and it allows for something for some folks (i.e., those who actually liked the Morrigan romance) to look forward to (i.e., a sequel).

As for a DLC...for that particular story, I'd prefer a full sequel (in which you continue w/ your character, of course )

[philippe willaume]

Hello

Well I kind of liked the character; I played a human noble girl and romance leliana



No you may or may not like Morrigan as a character but the character is consistent with itself.

Here system of value is based on you do not get nothing for free and that you can only rely on yourself to help yourself.



When you destroyed the anvil of the void, she was well miffed that you pass the opportunity for creation.

She keeps telling you she is not well equipped for friendship, thanks you for sharing that with her and even tells you that she whished thing would be different.



I really think the problems come from knowing alternates endings. And we all know that whatever she thinks of you she will go through with her plan.

I think the problem is not really what she does, it is more how it is implemented across the different possibility.



Maybe something like be in that respect her offering the deal should be linked to her liking you or disliking you whatever.

If she is important for a sequel, well we can have a battle in the room, like when Zevran tuns on you and she can flee in a cut scene becoming the bady or jus leave but having done it before asking buy use a good old love potion on Alistair/loghair or the orlandais dude (removing the his past his shelf life speech option) Or having a bit of the blood of Alistair phylactery sty so she can find him.

Or just deal with her as you do with other killable companion.



phil

[darkmax1974]

hmm.... too bad she is an important part of the game plot.

[druidofwarp]

Should have gathered up some of her excess blood after a battle and made a magic phylactery from it to have alistair track this chick. Or maybe we'll see her in another DLC when she needs child support money

[cutieyum]

Taleroth wrote...

Jacks-Up wrote...

Walina wrote...

mireigi wrote...

I agree that the ending could have been much better. Was kinda hoping for a revisit to the Veronica romance from Baldur's Gate 2 where you influence her enough to change her view on the world and how she responds to it.

I expected the to happen in DAO, I was dispointed

Viconia took off on you IN BG2 and Died in TOB.  

Train seems to be on the same tracks.

I keep hearing this, but I'm confused.

I only finished the entire thing once, but that time I romanced Viconia.  She never ran off on me, was with me at the final battle, and I swear the epilogue stated she became a priestess of my religion or some crap.

Vicky and my male PC married, after he renounced his divinity, settled in a castle, had a baby boy, but she died years later during an attempt at my life. She died protecting the PC, her love. Viconia DeVyr had great endings, including wondering the realm, and defending the forest elves against her people, if the PC becomes a god.

[darkmax1974]

sounds like a good ending with loose-ends tied right up

[SnakeStrike8]

How could this ending have been better? Let me see:

A) You convince Morrrigan to stay in Ferelden with you, her lover/best friend. She's still an apostate, so you have to spend the rest of your life in hiding from the templars. I do think many would have complained about this ending.

You refuse her ritual and slay her. 'Nuff said.



I find neither option appealing, and since my character is going to die on his Calling soon enough anyway... what's the point of asking her to stay when you'll part ways before too long regardless? Granted, death comes for everyone, but it comes quicker for Grey Wardens than for most others.

[darkmax1974]

what i meant was that she goes away, the charcater chased after her and recounciled, leading a wandering life or going back into the Wildes... why not?



That way the begining of the sequel will be clean.

[druidofwarp]

Don't you get the calling after like 30 years?

[Ulicus]

druidofwarp wrote...

Don't you get the calling after like 30 years?

Unless you're Duncan, in which case it's closer to 20.

(But yeah, it's said to be 30 years, give or take)