Hey, you take the time to make a good game, I'll take the time buy it. I haven't sold DA2, so that should put that idea.
Thank you!
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#27
Posté 26 mai 2011 - 11:00
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ZombiePowered wrote...
Uh oh. I don't think we're in Kirkwall anymore.
That's it. If I get to name a griffon, it's being called Toto.
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 11:00
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I think opening communications and acknowledging the concerns players have had is a step in the right direction. Hopefully this thread won't become filled with vitriol and abuse, but I'm assuming I'll be disappointed.
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 11:01
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Thanks for posting this. I'm sorry people got personal on you. That sucks.
#30
Posté 26 mai 2011 - 11:01
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Anytime you guys are ready. I'm in no rush.
#31
Posté 26 mai 2011 - 11:02
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This is an awesome statement. Pretty much the things everyone complains of right off the bat. Thanks, Mike for writting up such a nice response. I hope we hear about DLC soon! Those shots are pretty cool. I still have hope for DA3 at least.Issues like level re-use, the implementation of wave combat, concerns about the narrative and significance of choice and so on have all been not only noted, but examined, inspected and even aided me (and many, many others on the team) in formulating future plans.
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 11:05
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Mike I applaud you.
And something more to add. I was fully aware of the flaws of Dragon age 2, yet I still enjoyed it. Imagine if you would have had time! God it would have been amazing. I am fully aware of the factors that affected DA2's production. It has been hinted to many times for me not to take notice. So... I do not only applaud you for taking this nuke of a reaction like a proffesional, and keeping your anger at bay; you have also come out and *thanked* us. Thank us! Your greatest allies and enemies!
It's a shame you haven't managed to talk to us more. Your posts hold a lot of weight, and people listen eagerly. They *want* Bioware to be the best, that's why they boo! Some of course are complete and utter dicks who deserve nothing more than a slap to the head (a rather hard one,) but I know the vast majority who have critisised this game have done it for that purpose, even if I have had heated arguements with some before.
So Mike, to conclude this: I do not only applaud you for this, I thank you for giving us a spark of hope. The DLC looks good from the screenshots, I do not expect much since DLCs in general are very short and barely do anything to make a large impact. I will buy it of course! What kind of DA addict would I be without it?
And something more to add. I was fully aware of the flaws of Dragon age 2, yet I still enjoyed it. Imagine if you would have had time! God it would have been amazing. I am fully aware of the factors that affected DA2's production. It has been hinted to many times for me not to take notice. So... I do not only applaud you for taking this nuke of a reaction like a proffesional, and keeping your anger at bay; you have also come out and *thanked* us. Thank us! Your greatest allies and enemies!
It's a shame you haven't managed to talk to us more. Your posts hold a lot of weight, and people listen eagerly. They *want* Bioware to be the best, that's why they boo! Some of course are complete and utter dicks who deserve nothing more than a slap to the head (a rather hard one,) but I know the vast majority who have critisised this game have done it for that purpose, even if I have had heated arguements with some before.
So Mike, to conclude this: I do not only applaud you for this, I thank you for giving us a spark of hope. The DLC looks good from the screenshots, I do not expect much since DLCs in general are very short and barely do anything to make a large impact. I will buy it of course! What kind of DA addict would I be without it?
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 11:05
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The Uncanny wrote...
Zjarcal wrote...
DOYOURLABS wrote...
And thank you for making Dragon Age 2! I personally loved it, and I love the new direction BioWare took it in. I look forward to the DLC and expansions.
Thanks from me as well!
Thirded. I loved it too. So thank you!
Fourthed. I really love Dragon Age 2 and I spent many long sleepless nights glued to my computer after I bought it. It's really something special. Thanks!
#34
Posté 26 mai 2011 - 11:05
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I'm assuming a further reveal at E3, then?
#35
Posté 26 mai 2011 - 11:07
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thank you for the post, i have been waiting for some story DLC since i finished the game. i look forward to seeing the rest of the free marches.
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 11:07
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I would be totally back in BioWare's corner (reused environments totally forgiven) if you could just say that you'll defend the Dragon Age series from EA's suits and marketing department. No more "button = awesome" stuff. It's complete crap that Mass Effect 2 got a well-deserved delay and Dragon Age 2 wasn't worthy of the same treatment. Dragon Age doesn't deserve to become some watered-down game a year series.
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 11:08
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BTG_01 wrote...
The Uncanny wrote...
Zjarcal wrote...
DOYOURLABS wrote...
And thank you for making Dragon Age 2! I personally loved it, and I love the new direction BioWare took it in. I look forward to the DLC and expansions.
Thanks from me as well!
Thirded. I loved it too. So thank you!
Fourthed. I really love Dragon Age 2 and I spent many long sleepless nights glued to my computer after I bought it. It's really something special. Thanks!
Anyone mind if I fifth that? Loved the post and those pics you dropped are tantalizing beyond reason
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#38
Posté 26 mai 2011 - 11:09
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Thanks for the personal reply!
And if it does not sound too overused by now, may I add, "Ooooh! Shiny!"
And if it does not sound too overused by now, may I add, "Ooooh! Shiny!"
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 11:11
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I don't blame you in the slightest for shying away from the proverbial cesspool that's been the forums following release. While there's been some very incisive and constructive criticism about, a great percentage of the discussion has been little but thinly veiled mockery and irrational knee-jerk bilge.
So let me say thank you in turn for braving the deep waters and writing such a comprehensive post, Mr. Laidlaw.
At any rate, it's good to know that key criticisms have been taken into account. I must admit the recycling of dungeons was a tad disappointing, if not game-breaking. With more time and resources at your disposal, I'm certain the level designers would've done more to imbue the environments with more variety.
I happened to love Dragon Age 2, and I thought its approach was completely justifiable.
To me, it had a more refined aesthetic, it elicited far more intimate feelings of attachment to the characters and it introduced substantial thematic content which Origins only peripherally alluded to.
I'm looking forward to future DLC, and I hope you'll give yourselves the time to make the most of it!
So let me say thank you in turn for braving the deep waters and writing such a comprehensive post, Mr. Laidlaw.
At any rate, it's good to know that key criticisms have been taken into account. I must admit the recycling of dungeons was a tad disappointing, if not game-breaking. With more time and resources at your disposal, I'm certain the level designers would've done more to imbue the environments with more variety.
I happened to love Dragon Age 2, and I thought its approach was completely justifiable.
To me, it had a more refined aesthetic, it elicited far more intimate feelings of attachment to the characters and it introduced substantial thematic content which Origins only peripherally alluded to.
I'm looking forward to future DLC, and I hope you'll give yourselves the time to make the most of it!
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 11:12
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Thanks for the response, I appreciate honest conversation.
These screenshots - is it DA3 or a DLC? If DLC I hope it's free. I still think BioWare owns me for broken expectations.
These screenshots - is it DA3 or a DLC? If DLC I hope it's free. I still think BioWare owns me for broken expectations.
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 11:14
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Wow! You da man! Thank YOU! Personally, DA2 (while it does have its flaws) is one of the most enjoyable experiences I have had in computer gaming. So here's to DA2 dlc and DA3!! (As long as Isabela is in them) 
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 11:15
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Vague details left to be filled by our hopeful expectations, you guys know your craft.
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 11:19
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Thanks for the classy post, sir. Though I thought there were several problems with DA2, there was also a lot that I enjoyed. I'm curious to see how the lessons here are applied in the future. And I appreciate that you're willing to wade into this madhouse and comment again. Bioware dev presence was always my favorite thing about these forums.
Also, hold the freaking phone. Did you just drop the G-word? Dare I hope? That aside, those areas look neato. Good differentiation. Whatever those are from seems to be addressing a few of the concerns about environment variety. Hope we get some news soon.
Also, hold the freaking phone. Did you just drop the G-word? Dare I hope? That aside, those areas look neato. Good differentiation. Whatever those are from seems to be addressing a few of the concerns about environment variety. Hope we get some news soon.
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 11:21
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Are we expected to pay for these improvements?
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 11:23
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I read your post and had to think hard how to respond. There is only one way for me and you probably don't like it. Here it goes anyway...
Mr Laidlaw, I still cannot get over the fact that I feel that the promises to add decisions that would impact the story plot were simply not implemented. That feature was not just my interpretation of the first pod cast or the marketing material, it was out there for everyone to see. Politely put, you were not telling the truth. I won't go into details. I've written about that until my fingers got numb. That didn't make me feel good about the company. So, despite that I like your post, I have my reservations about any promised changes. I am not eager to pre-order anymore or just buy a product because BW meant quality in the past. It just isn't true anymore.
In short... Your post didn't change anything for me.
Mr Laidlaw, I still cannot get over the fact that I feel that the promises to add decisions that would impact the story plot were simply not implemented. That feature was not just my interpretation of the first pod cast or the marketing material, it was out there for everyone to see. Politely put, you were not telling the truth. I won't go into details. I've written about that until my fingers got numb. That didn't make me feel good about the company. So, despite that I like your post, I have my reservations about any promised changes. I am not eager to pre-order anymore or just buy a product because BW meant quality in the past. It just isn't true anymore.
In short... Your post didn't change anything for me.
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 11:25
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AngryFrozenWater wrote...
I read your post and had to think hard how to respond. There is only one way for me and you probably don't like it. Here it goes anyway...
Mr Laidlaw, I still cannot get over the fact that I feel that the promises to add decisions that would impact the story plot were simply not implemented. That feature was not just my interpretation of the first pod cast or the marketing material, it was out there for everyone to see. Politely put, you were not telling the truth. I won't go into details. I've written about that until my fingers got numb. That didn't make me feel good about the company. So, despite that I like your post, I have my reservations about any promised changes. I am not eager to pre-order anymore or just buy a product because BW meant quality in the past. It just isn't true anymore.
In short... Your post didn't change anything for me.
you party poopers
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 11:27
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DOYOURLABS wrote...
And thank you for making Dragon Age 2! I personally loved it, and I love the new direction BioWare took it in. I look forward to the DLC and expansions.
^^ This, plus you are such a tease Mike - piccies but no info
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 11:36
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You're welcome!
Well, I certainly hope that the market has showed a big Sten's NO to the new direction Bioware took it in. Back to Basics always seems to work, in many areas.
And the question still is:
Dragon Age: Origins - Why are the Griffons gone?
DOYOURLABS wrote...
And thank you for making Dragon Age 2! I personally loved it, and I love the new direction BioWare took it in. I look forward to the DLC and expansions.
Well, I certainly hope that the market has showed a big Sten's NO to the new direction Bioware took it in. Back to Basics always seems to work, in many areas.
And the question still is:
Dragon Age: Origins - Why are the Griffons gone?
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 11:36
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I'd be more than willing to share my experiences and advice as to why DA2 is a sub par product, however it would be easier to just show you it if you'd update the toolset for Origins to be fully compatible with DA2 resources. When Bethesda wanted to improve Oblivion the first place they stopped wasn't a forum or a gaming blog, it was the mod community. With mods you can actually see what is popular among the player base and actually try it for yourself in the game. We had lots of words during the run up to DA2, much of which turned out to range from half-truth to outright lies. I want tangible proof that BioWare is interested in making sure a DA2 style product, that bitterly splits the fanbase, never happens again. If your goal however is just to string the PC players along while giving us sub-par console port after sub-par console port then just tell us now to save us the trouble and you the trouble of fabricating another imaginary game to sell us.
DA2 has firmly driven home the point that what BioWare says and what a BioWare game actually is can be radically different. I need more than words from now on.
DA2 has firmly driven home the point that what BioWare says and what a BioWare game actually is can be radically different. I need more than words from now on.
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Posté 26 mai 2011 - 11:39
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Mike Laidlaw wrote...
Also, there seem to be rather a lot of….are those griffins?
Griffons?
I'll be the cynic I suppose, and while it all sounds nice that the feedback is being taken to heart, only time shall tell how this results in future DA products being better for the stumbling blocks encountered in DA2. I like the DA universe a great deal, but sadly, DA2 as a game pretty much sucked dry any faith I had in BioWare games just being safe buys. Words are all nice and comforting, but as others have already noted, there was much said in the run up to DA2 which didn't turn out once the final product was released, for whatever reasons might have been at cause.
Hopefully whatever DLC comes up will show some reactivity to the problems of DA2, but I'll wait and see from now on. Unless of course, DA3 was announced as bringing back the Warden as silent PC with Morrigan, in a non hot rod samurai art style, with no awesome button in sight, with the tactical camera and toolset returning, as they ride across Thedas on griffons with the OGB amidst World War Thedas in an engine that can go toe to toe with The Witcher 2 visually. Then I might consider pre-ordering.
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