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[In Exile]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
Semantics. I remember plenty of people saying that losing things like complete party customization, removal of the tactical camera, simpler dialog due to vo etc etc were possibly bad design decisions. Sadly we were right, no matter how much the Mavericks or the Dave Of Canadas say otherwise.  The sale numbers back this up as well, as do the reviews, not that I put alot of stock in reviews to begin with but hey.

It's not semantics.

Look at the criticism of DA2. What do you see? First, it's recycled areas. Next, it's the wave combat. Third, it's the lack of choice.

Even the features you're bashing in your post aren't the features DA2 is getting bashed for. Bioware dropped the ball and falsely advertised the game, and that's not excusable.

But you weren't being at all prescient.

[Jenova65]

I'm not wading through over 30 pages to see what the responses are..........
Thank you for the update, it is always encouraging to be a BioWare fan on here knowing that you are all watching and taking notes on how we feel about things
90% of us really appreciate that, even when we are miffed, lol.
Thanks again, Mike.... Very cool of you to do this.

[kglaser]

LiquidGrape wrote...

I think it's fairly depressing that a thread with such obvious goodwill behind it has been reduced to a playground squabble.

+1.

[Dave of Canada]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Sadly we were right, no matter how much the Mavericks or the Dave Of Canadas say otherwise.

I enjoyed myself and liked everything I "defended", therefor I was right too! Yay for being right!

And there's only one Dave of Canada, all other Dave of Canadas are imposters.

[Blastback]

Persephone wrote...

adneate wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
It started in ME2, it happen in DA2. Moral of the new Bioware, go into there games with low expectations.

Ain't that the truth, expect nothing and treat any information coming out of BioWare as rumour and hearsay.

Never ever play Fable II or Fable III. Peter Molyneux (Is that his name?) outdoes every other company in that department. Fable III being the latest disappointment.

Both Fable 1 and 2 were in my opinion good games.  But I never paid any attention to the earlier hype, so I didn't have any real strong expectations going in.  So, no real dissapointment.  Then i saw all the stuff that he promised, and just, wow.  They need to muzzle the guy or something. 

[Harcken]

The huge thing for me has, and always will be, story. The story in Origins was alright--it was an introduction, I get that (a good one at that). So I sat back and waited for DA2 where they would finally take all this lore and create a scrumptious story...and all I got was something I already knew from DAO: mages hate templars, templars hate mages, yadi yadi ya, poweder keg...

What I miss is that element of mystery present in the stories of tons of other RPGs (a lot of them Bioware): Mass Effect, KOTOR, Jade Empire, The Witcher 2. All four have identifiable villians near the start where the player learns more and more as they progress, with plot twists and plot bombs that keep the player attached to the storyline. In DAO and DA2, the villians were just plain horrendous. The archdemon was no more than a mindless animal, and Meredith was a crazed old bat that I met in the last hour of the game.

I want to start DA3 surprised; I want the plot to be thrilling, filled with purpose, intrigue, and most of all: mystery. Keep me guessing, keep me fighting until the very end. PLlleeeaaseeee!

[Blastback]

Mr.House wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

I will definitely have very, very low expectations for DA3.

I'm looking forward to ME3, though, mostly because it is being made by people who actually give a damn.

Walters does not give a dam, his goal is to destory everything good about ME and create crap.

And you say this why?  How has he ruined the franchise?

[adneate]

Persephone wrote...
Never ever play Fable II or Fable III. Peter Molyneux (Is that his name?) outdoes every other company in that department. Fable III being the latest disappointment.

Well if you think about they BioWare might be adopting the exact same marketing process. You trash your old game while talking up your new game, as soon as the one releases and isn't all it's built up to be you trash it and talk up your new game.

Repeat forever or until the publisher kills the studio.

[Mr.House]

Blastback wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

I will definitely have very, very low expectations for DA3.

I'm looking forward to ME3, though, mostly because it is being made by people who actually give a damn.

Walters does not give a dam, his goal is to destory everything good about ME and create crap.

And you say this why?  How has he ruined the franchise?

The two comics, ME2, destorying characters from the first game, not knowing his series. Walters is a bad LW, why they kept him as LW after that fail job makes no sense.

Modifié par Mr.House, 27 mai 2011 - 11:16 .

[Merced652]

That is why you don't produce, nor consume, media that isn't expressly part of the game. Its like the NJO and star wars. Its like all those ****ty no name writers and the Dragonlance series post Twins and sans war of souls and the other newer series by weis & hickman.

[Persephone]

Mr.House wrote...

Blastback wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

I will definitely have very, very low expectations for DA3.

I'm looking forward to ME3, though, mostly because it is being made by people who actually give a damn.

Walters does not give a dam, his goal is to destory everything good about ME and create crap.

And you say this why?  How has he ruined the franchise?

The two comics, ME2, destorying characters from the first game, not knowing his series. Walters is a bad LW, why they kept him as LW after that fail job makes no sense.

Yah........I mean.......Ash and Kaidan........big moment. I still love ME2 though. (Even though it contains the worst romance option ever. "The priiiiiiiiiiiiiize"......ugh, where is my Renegade interrupt?)

[Sidney]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Semantics. I remember plenty of people saying that losing things like complete party customization, removal of the tactical camera, simpler dialog due to vo etc etc were possibly bad design decisions. Sadly we were right, no matter how much the Mavericks or the Dave Of Canadas say otherwise.  The sale numbers back this up as well, as do the reviews, not that I put alot of stock in reviews to begin with but hey.

Will people stop griping about not being able to apply armor? Cripes, can we whine about how DAO didn't have complete party customization because I didn't pick hair styles? How despite having 10 fingers I could only apply 2 rings? I know from the current world one can wear more than one necklace. Argghhhhh, so much missing customization I am lost and angry!!!! In FNV I couldn't pick the weapon .... why, why has god forsaken me as an RPG player!!!

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Dave of Canada wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Sadly we were right, no matter how much the Mavericks or the Dave Of Canadas say otherwise.

I enjoyed myself and liked everything I "defended", therefor I was right too! Yay for being right!

And there's only one Dave of Canada, all other Dave of Canadas are imposters.

Yeah, there wasn't much you didn't defend but I digress.

[Ariella]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Isn't the second one basically just a rehash of Kirkwall itself, third one is from DAO aka Cadash Thaig? As for the first one looks ok, bit small and boring if only location a simple house across bridge would be like 5 minutes of gameplay to clear every room dozen times over. I would assume there is a LOT more to that concept than some house over a bridge (a small house at that)...

Can't comment on the second one except to say it looks more like it leads into a canyon than anywhere in the city.

But the third one isn't Cadash Thaig, at least not when I visited it with old stone face. The lighting is wrong, CT was lihad a lighter green and white cast to it, and the buildings were a lot closer together, if anything it reminds me of Aurora in Fable 3 except underground.

[Persephone]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

adneate wrote...

Persephone wrote...
Never ever play Fable II or Fable III. Peter Molyneux (Is that his name?) outdoes every other company in that department. Fable III being the latest disappointment.

Well if you think about they BioWare might be adopting the exact same marketing process. You trash your old game while talking up your new game, as soon as the one releases and isn't all it's built up to be you trash it and talk up your new game.

Repeat forever or until the publisher kills the studio.

And Mike Laidlaw kinda reminds me of Peter Molyneux, too.

Really.......not true. Ser Molyneux would never write a thread like this, for one.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Persephone wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Blastback wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

I will definitely have very, very low expectations for DA3.

I'm looking forward to ME3, though, mostly because it is being made by people who actually give a damn.

Walters does not give a dam, his goal is to destory everything good about ME and create crap.

And you say this why?  How has he ruined the franchise?

The two comics, ME2, destorying characters from the first game, not knowing his series. Walters is a bad LW, why they kept him as LW after that fail job makes no sense.

Yah........I mean.......Ash and Kaidan........big moment. I still love ME2 though. (Even though it contains the worst romance option ever. "The priiiiiiiiiiiiiize"......ugh, where is my Renegade interrupt?)

But but Kaidan! you said you loved me! Kaiden: oh you're just cerberus scum now.  Still reseved that ME2 wasn't very dark for a "dark 2nd chapter" since 95% of the game was playing therapist and solving  "family issues" for companions. But thats a totally different topic.

[Drasill]

Personally, while I felt Dragon Age II was not as good as Origins it was still a great game. For example, if I were to give Origins a 9.5/10 I would give DAII a 9/10. I do think there are many things that DAII did better that you should carry on. The art style was nicer and gave the game more personality. The faster paced combat was also an improvement in my mind.

[Sylvius the Mad]

In Exile wrote...

It's not semantics.

Look at the criticism of DA2. What do you see? First, it's recycled areas. Next, it's the wave combat. Third, it's the lack of choice.

Even the features you're bashing in your post aren't the features DA2 is getting bashed for. Bioware dropped the ball and falsely advertised the game, and that's not excusable.

That's not entirely fair.  Just because those aren't the features people are complaining about most doesn't mean those features alone wouldn't be enough to draw criticism.

I don't think anyone foresaw the recycled areas and the wave combat.  On the waves, I never expected BioWare to design combat that badly (I can't imagine Georg would have allowed it), and while I'm not too concerned about the reused areas (though FO3 is a great example of how having many varied areas can improve a game) people had complained about them reusing environments all the way back in ME1.  There isn't generally a big pre-release outcry about list inventories or the lack of a combat log, either, because by now those designs aren't a surprise to us.  We expect them, even if we don't like them.

[Persephone]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Blastback wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

I will definitely have very, very low expectations for DA3.

I'm looking forward to ME3, though, mostly because it is being made by people who actually give a damn.

Walters does not give a dam, his goal is to destory everything good about ME and create crap.

And you say this why?  How has he ruined the franchise?

The two comics, ME2, destorying characters from the first game, not knowing his series. Walters is a bad LW, why they kept him as LW after that fail job makes no sense.

Yah........I mean.......Ash and Kaidan........big moment. I still love ME2 though. (Even though it contains the worst romance option ever. "The priiiiiiiiiiiiiize"......ugh, where is my Renegade interrupt?)

I thought Carth was the worst LI ever? At least I thought he was. I normally go for Garrus, sometimes Thane. I decided to do a Jacob playthrough once. Best. Playthrough. Ever!

Carth is very close to the top, tis true. I usually always go for Thane. Even when I try to be faithful to Kaidan.....Horizon....hurts.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Blastback wrote...

Both Fable 1 and 2 were in my opinion good games.

I thought Fable 2 was pretty poor, but my impression of it was badly harmed by having to play it on a console.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I like Carth. He's a good love interest. He handles criticism so well. I sent Gaider fan-mail because of Carth.