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[Everwarden]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

It's nothing new, people have been calling BioWare personnel liars for a long time. It's their choice, it just doesn't really add anything. What's Laidlaw gonna say?

An honest acknowledgement of Dragon Age 2's significant flaws would be a start. All I saw was him acknowledging that people have been complaining, and those complaints will be 'examined'. He said he's aware of concerns, not that he accepts that any of them are valid or that there are any plans to go in a different direction.

That won't happen, of course. I won't be buying Bioware games in the future. Problem solved. I'm just voicing how sad I am to see Bioware get turned into just another company that makes one mediocre title a year. I have to look to Bethesda for my RPG fix now, and that is.. unspeakably depressing. 

[Aaleel]

Well at least they're noting the problems people had with the game.

I guess it boils down to how much they're willing to alter the new vision and new direction they've come up with for the game. If they have their minds made up that's the way they're going, I don't see too much changing.  He still says in the letter, I still think DA2 moved us to a place with more potential.

I honestly don't know if there is a way to make an RPG that appeals to COD fans, without making it a full blown action/adventure game. My friends that are really into shooters hate RPGs because it's too much down time (non action), reading, talking with NPCs etc, and they find them boring.

Modifié par Aaleel, 28 mai 2011 - 12:10 .

[Xewaka]

Everwarden wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...
It's nothing new, people have been calling BioWare personnel liars for a long time. It's their choice, it just doesn't really add anything. What's Laidlaw gonna say?

An honest acknowledgement of Dragon Age 2's significant flaws would be a start. All I saw was him acknowledging that people have been complaining, and those complaints will be 'examined'. He said he's aware of concerns, not that he accepts that any of them are valid or that there are any plans to go in a different direction.
That won't happen, of course. I won't be buying Bioware games in the future. Problem solved. I'm just voicing how sad I am to see Bioware get turned into just another company that makes one mediocre title a year. I have to look to Bethesda for my RPG fix now, and that is.. unspeakably depressing.

Go with Radon Labs' instead. Once you understand the game system they work with ("The Dark Eye", a german-made PnP RPG) the games become inmensely enjoyable.

Modifié par Xewaka, 28 mai 2011 - 12:09 .

[TEWR]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Everwarden wrote...

Let's be honest.. this was a canned response, not a sincere one. It's a bit too late for a vague reply like this to mean anything to me.

And the thread was just getting civil and comfy again..........<_<

*loads Magnum revolver* Looks like i'll have to be the peacemaker in this thread. A shame it had to be this way, really.

If you wanna be the peacemaker, you need the right guns. The Colt Peacemaker.

[Tommy6860]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Blastback wrote...

Both Fable 1 and 2 were in my opinion good games.

I thought Fable 2 was pretty poor, but my impression of it was badly harmed by having to play it on a console.

Fable is one of my favorite console games and I absolutely loved it when it came out. Fable II was OK, but the coop system was atrocious, especially with the forced camera view and limitation to how far the companion could move away from each other. In II, if my coop companion moved, it made my camera view skew terribly.

Modifié par Tommy6860, 28 mai 2011 - 12:19 .

[VanDraegon]

Thanks for the post Mike.

I at least appreciate that you took some time to say a few words about the game and the concerns a lot of us have. I think that DA:O is the best crpg i have ever played and am coming close to wearing out my disc. DA2 certainly had lots of good points to go along with the not so good.

It is always good to hear that you devs are taking our concerns of a game we have come to love so much seriously.

[Ottemis]

Bottomline, we'll have to wait and see =P
But who am I kidding, I'm really not worried heh.

Aaleel wrote...

I honestly don't know if there is a way to make an RPG that appeals to COD fans, without making it a full blown action/adventure game. My friends that are really into shooters hate RPGs because it's too much down time (non action), reading, talking with NPCs etc, and they find them boring.

The COD (or any other) crowd is prolly just as splintered in the end as the DAO crowd is. Some probably welcome a hybrid like this without knowing beforehand it would appeal to them. If they actually feel reason to try a hybrid, which is less there with the COD crowd in therms of incentive, playerbase would surely rise. But that's the kicker isn't it.

Modifié par Ottemis, 28 mai 2011 - 12:18 .

[HK-90210]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

An honest acknowledgement of Dragon Age 2's significant flaws would be a start. All I saw was him acknowledging that people have been complaining, and those complaints will be 'examined'. He said he's aware of concerns, not that he accepts that any of them are valid or that there are any plans to go in a different direction.

In the OP, Laidlaw said, "I am absolutely aware of the concerns voiced here. Issues like level re-use, the implementation of wave combat, concerns about the narrative and significance of choice and so on have all been not only noted, but examined, inspected and even aided me (and many, many others on the team) in formulating future plans. Further, I'm not only aware of the concerns, but I agree that there are aspects of DA II that not only can but must be improved in future installments. And that is precisely our intent."

Sorry, but I'm not seeing how that is not accepting them as valid. That sounds like the exact opposite of what Laidlaw said. Not commenting on his sincerity, just spouting what he wrote.

Modifié par CastonFolarus, 28 mai 2011 - 12:15 .

[Tommy6860]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

I like Carth. He's a good love interest. He handles criticism so well. I sent Gaider fan-mail because of Carth.

I couldn't get into Carth, the constant distrust until a certin point in the game was just plain annoying. As an LI, he was awkward, while still instilling the distrust. If I could get HK-47 to treat him as a "meatbag", I would have done it in a second. I personally liked Juhani and Bastila as LIs the most.

[TEWR]

LobselVith8 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I just read one comment that said "Go and be naive for liking DA2 while I play a good game" and I just know this thread will get locked. I'd rather it didn't so everyone just, and this is as civil as I can be after reading that one comment, SHUT UP.

Some people like it (myself included). Others don't. Neither side is in the right so don't act like your side is.

I'm glad we got a post from one of the developers addressing the problems with DA2. I admit I'm a bit skeptical, but I'm hoping the DLC makes Hawke proactive, gets rid of the waves of enemies, and allows us to have actual choices as the protagonist.

Skepticism is ok with me. People who disliked the game have the right to be skeptical. But all they need to say is "I'm skeptical right now and I'll wait to see what happens."

They don't need to go off on a tangent about how Bioware's staff should be fired and anyone who actually dares to like DA2 is either naive, stupid, has a poor taste in video games, or whatever else they can come up with.

There's skepticism and then there's making yourself a massive jackass (not talking about you Lob).

Anyway, waves won't go but they will be better implement and not stay as paratrooping full-plate wearing soldiers who don't get injured

[Dragoonlordz]

Tommy6860 wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Blastback wrote...

Both Fable 1 and 2 were in my opinion good games.

I thought Fable 2 was pretty poor, but my impression of it was badly harmed by having to play it on a console.

Fable is one of my favorite consoe games and i absolutely loved it when it came out. Fable II was OK, but the coop system was atrocious, especailly with the forced camera view and limitation to how far the companion could move away from each other. In II, if my coop companion moved, it made my camera view skew terribly.

(bit off thread topic but...)
Fable 1 was hilarious I thought, worth playing for the humour. Fable 2 was very entertaining though the coop was very bad with exception of getting free items and money from your friends. I have yet to play the 3rd title mainly because I am phasing out my 360 titles and replacing them with PC or PS3 equivalents (personal preference in systems after owning all three). With Fable 3 remade for the PC in a great many ways I'll probably pick it up for that.

On topic about what Mike has said, I do not agree with the direction he wishes and will take the franchise going by the product I have bought and played and what he has said, but he is the one in the driving seat not me so the only thing I can do is wait see what he does with the next title and if continues down a path I do not like so be it the only thing I can do is voice my opinion in the end with my wallet. 

There is always a gamble when reaching out for new audiences because if stray too far from the original concepts and idiologies of what made the first a success you run the risk of alienating that fanbase in order to bring in others. This is why I generally dislike drastically changing a existing franchise instead of going down a new IP route. In the end only time will tell with the release of DA3 and the sales of DA2 if the gamble paid off.

DA2 was bought on faith in Bioware and the prequel and after release I judged DA2 as both a seporate entitiy and then in comparrison, suffice to say I wasn't happy with the direction it went from the established fanbase which made from the prequel a huge success for the DA franchise, which was in a different style to the sequel but I guess some people like it so such is life.

In the end because I bought it I am able to objectively and subjectively voice my concerns and opinions based on that. This won't be the case for DA3 if looks like is following down a bad path (imho) because I wont buy it but again that's life there are plenty more fish in the sea regarding RPG titles. It's not like I lose anything I still own the original DAO.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 28 mai 2011 - 12:31 .

[TEWR]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Everwarden wrote...

Let's be honest.. this was a canned response, not a sincere one. It's a bit too late for a vague reply like this to mean anything to me.

And the thread was just getting civil and comfy again..........<_<

*loads Magnum revolver* Looks like i'll have to be the peacemaker in this thread. A shame it had to be this way, really.

*snip*
If you wanna be the peacemaker, you need the right guns. The Colt Peacemaker.

Oh yeah, now we're talking!

I prefer to dual wield them like Colton White from GUN myself

[Shevy]

Welcome back Mike, I asked myself where you were. Nice to read you again. 

The pics look fantastic and I hope that you adress  some of the major problems the community had and have with DA II in your future projects. A mix with some deeper RPG elements* like in DAO with the faster combat DA II had, would be perfect for me.

* includes : full customization ( teammates), no level re-use in such
degree , give items names and different icons, able to communicate with
your companions like in Origins ( the "interrogation" after the recruitment gave a deeper connectivity with them. I cared way more for my Origins mates than for the ones from Awakening or DA II)
real choices

Modifié par Shevy_001, 28 mai 2011 - 12:35 .

[fightright2]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...


*loads Magnum revolver* Looks like i'll have to be the peacemaker in this thread. A shame it had to be this way, really.

If you wanna be the peacemaker, you need the right guns. The Colt Peacemaker.

I'd personally recommend the S&W500.

[DevilSexton]

I've played DA2 thru 6 times, wish there was more, but really didn't have any problems with it, played it more then DA:O that's for sure

Was the best game of it's kind til the Witcher 2 came out...
!controller support for pc, controller support for pc, must have next time guys!

[Savber100]

Let's be blunt..

There's no way in hell that EA will allow a key lead designer of their franchise to publicly speak up and say "I ****ed up"

It's impossible and to say that will damage Bioware's credibility to the INVESTORS.

So yeah... sad but true.

[In Exile]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
Exactly, tow the PR line which is what it seems like he's doing. Can't really fault him for it, though honestly I'm not surprised. I remember someone mentioning it a few days or maybe a week ago that once DA3 ramped up we'd get a "da2 had flaws but DA3 will be so awesome" type of posts. Much like the dismantling Origins got when DA2 PR ramped up.

Cept this time, I don't think half as many are going to buy into it.

Given what I heard about the detachable camera on PC, I'm not sure I'm going to buy it. I cannot believe that the camera was included on consoles but not on PC.

[Everwarden]

@CastonFolarus 

I'd quote you, but the quote was a bit mangled, so I'll just reply to what you said briefly. The gist of it is that he gave a vague, "Yeah, we'll change stuff, promise!"

That's not good enough. A promise that vague doesn't mean anything. -What-, specifically, is he going to change if he so believes in the new direction Dragon Age is heading? He doesn't say. He tells people change will happen, but without any specifics. That's the sort of thing someone says to get a positive PR spin without making any actual promises. Sorry, no sell. 

[Ottemis]

Everwarden wrote...

@CastonFolarus 

I'd quote you, but the quote was a bit mangled, so I'll just reply to what you said briefly. The gist of it is that he gave a vague, "Yeah, we'll change stuff, promise!"

That's not good enough. A promise that vague doesn't mean anything. -What-, specifically, is he going to change if he so believes in the new direction Dragon Age is heading? He doesn't say. He tells people change will happen, but without any specifics. That's the sort of thing someone says to get a positive PR spin without making any actual promises. Sorry, no sell. 

Laidlaw went reasonably indept on the recognized issues in DA2, what more CAN you expect at this point?
You expect fullblown details now? That's not realistic and I hope you realise that.
If that was what you expected I'd dare say you set yourself up for disappointment intentfully.

Modifié par Ottemis, 28 mai 2011 - 12:33 .

[Everwarden]

Savber100 wrote...

So yeah... sad but true.

Entirely true, and reasonable. But I'm a customer, not an investor, and don't care what excuses they have to lying to me. Valid or not. 

[Tommy6860]

adneate wrote...

Persephone wrote...
Worked for me. In DAII, that is. Oblivion......esp. unmodded? No way.

Didn't work for me, Dragon Age II allows you only to be reactionary you can't ever be pro-active. Hawke spends most of her time sitting around on her narrow ass waiting for things to fall apart so she can get involved at the very last possible second.

At least in New Vegas if I didn't like a faction I could start undermining their efforts from the start of the game.

So I would hardly call someone who is 100% reactionary and has no control over anything a complex fantasty character and certainly not "The Most Important Person In The History of Thedas".

So totally this^^^^

I didn't like New Vegas, not beause of the story, but because the combat system, graphics, perks and just about everything imaginable carried over from Fallouts 1,2 & 3, it became boring becauase I ahd done that already. But you hit it right on the head with this.

[Aaleel]

Ottemis wrote...

Bottomline, we'll have to wait and see =P
But who am I kidding, I'm really not worried heh.

Aaleel wrote...

I honestly don't know if there is a way to make an RPG that appeals to COD fans, without making it a full blown action/adventure game. My friends that are really into shooters hate RPGs because it's too much down time (non action), reading, talking with NPCs etc, and they find them boring.

The COD (or any other) crowd is prolly just as splintered in the end as the DAO crowd is. Some probably welcome a hybrid like this without knowing beforehand it would appeal to them. If they actually feel reason to try a hybrid, which is less there with the COD crowd in therms of incentive, playerbase would surely rise. But that's the kicker isn't it.

Yeah but a hybrid is an action/adventure game, not a full blown RPG.  They'd have to make it action/adventure, add some co/op, multiplayer.  Then they may pull a significant number of those fans. 

[coachjrw]

I just want to say that I love DA2. I find it more 're-playable' then DAO. For me this is saying a lot since DAO was the very first game that has ever kept my attention long enough to finish, let alone play through multiple times. With DA2, I find the character dynamics and interplay with companions much more satisfying then with DAO. This game has captivated me so greatly that it has made me delve even deeper into the Dragon Age universe. Thank you for the many hours of enjoyment that you and the other creators of Dragon Age have given me and keep up the good work!

[Everwarden]

Ottemis wrote...

You expect fullblown details now? That's not realistic and I hope you realise that.
If that was what you expected I'd dare say you set yourself up for disappointment intentfully.

No, I expect* honest admissions of their mistakes. That didn't happen, and it won't, but it still should.

*"Expect" in this context doesn't mean I actually anticipate this will happen, this is just what I would require to happen to restore my faith as a customer in Bioware.