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[Zjarcal]

Addai67 wrote...
Zjarcal, your avatar terrifies me.

That's me taking boxing lessons. The forums require rigorous training after all.

[neppakyo]

Beerfish wrote...

The main complaint items are well documented but don't let an overly vocal nasty group have you make the next installment into the witcher or "DAO 2 the rehash of the warden". A lot of DA2 was very good, some of the very best companions and quests that BioWare has done and the framed narrative worked just fine.

The frame narrative didn't work fine. Others have done it ALOT better. So many plot holes and a load of unexplained events, aka "3 year" time lapses between acts.

It was done horribly. Mind you, the concept of the story was cool. It was executed horridly. 

[Zanallen]

Everwarden wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

No. Different people want different things. A lot of the changes made with DA 2 were in response to complaints about DA:O. You can't please everyone. I don't think you should even try. Do what you feel is correct and do it to the best of your ability. Trying to please everyone is just bound to fail. (That's one of the major complaints with DA2, no?)

I'm not arguing you try to please everyone, I'm arguing you try to please the majority of your -target audience-. Bioware tried to get a new, better audience and in the process gave the metaphorical finger to their loyal fans. Bad, bad idea. 

But Bioware has been making RPG light games for a while now. DA:O was a step backwards from their particular path.

[Killer Irish]

I will say this...I finished the game.  I actually played through twice (which is something I have come to do with all Bioware games), seeing if I missed anything.  My biggest frustration/complaint is that nothing seemed to be tied to the first game.

With Dragon Age Orgins, I beat the game with over 100+ hours logged in...then guess what happened?  My xbox hard drive broke and I lost ALL my save data.  For Dragon Age, both Mass Effects, everything.  So, assuming that there would be an insane amount of tie-ins from Dragon Age Orgins to DA2, I went back and completed the entire game again.  Getting max level, exploring all DLC, trying to make all the same choices.  So we are well over 200+ hours in total for having to beat Dragon Age Orgins, plus all DLC, twice.

When I played Dragon Age 2...after spending all that time in Orgins...it felt like the biggest let down ever.  No big tie-ins...no mention of my character leaving with Morrigan, suddenly Anders is gay (wasn't setup at all in Orgins) and hitting on me every chance he gets, Alistar makes a brief apperance, etc.  Heck, I killed the Architect AND The Mother in Awakening, but a character mentions to me in DA2 that "the hero" let the Architect live!  Wha?!?  It just feels like I went back through the entire first game for nothing.  When I loaded my save from Dragon Age Orgin into DA2 at the beginning of the game, it showed nearly a paragraph worth of stuff, which got me excited.  But then, nothing.  I'm a huge fan of the Mass Effect series...and Dragon Age Orgins made me a fan as well.  But after Dragon Age 2, I just don't know.  It felt like it was too far removed from what made Orgins great.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zjarcal wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
Zjarcal, your avatar terrifies me.

That's me taking boxing lessons. The forums require rigorous training after all.

I would work on the glare though. Take lessons from Lenimph.

[KnightofPhoenix]

neppakyo wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

The main complaint items are well documented but don't let an overly vocal nasty group have you make the next installment into the witcher or "DAO 2 the rehash of the warden". A lot of DA2 was very good, some of the very best companions and quests that BioWare has done and the framed narrative worked just fine.

The frame narrative didn't work fine. Others have done it ALOT better. So many plot holes and a load of unexplained events, aka "3 year" time lapses between acts.

It was done horribly. Mind you, the concept of the story was cool. It was executed horridly. 

I have fonder memories playing Alpha Protocol. And it was a broken game. In large part because its narrative structure and execution was amost flawless.

I feel like I want to reiterate my criticism (in the mood for some reason), but that would go on a rant and no one is in the mood to read it.

[neppakyo]

... and the circle jerk begins anew.

[Zjarcal]

neppakyo wrote...

... and the circle jerk begins anew.

Could you try and be less offensive perhaps?

[Zanallen]

Zjarcal wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

... and the circle jerk begins anew.

Could you try and be less offensive perhaps?

Offensive and pointless is just about all Nepp knows.

[KealaFerret]

Thank you so much Mike! For the game (my husband and I loved it!), for the well thought out note, and the pictures.

It's too bad that people resorted to so many attacks - it makes it harder to get good, solid feedback when people are too busy slinging mud. But, there have been a lot of solid, well articulated constructive feedback, and I'm glad to hear you guys are managing to glean it out. It's a lot of work making a game, and kudos to you guys for always looking for new and different ways to do things. Innovation is awesome.

Thank you so much for posting, despite all the stuff going down.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zjarcal wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

... and the circle jerk begins anew.

Could you try and be less offensive perhaps?

I think it's time for another community hug.


And I should  stop being all soft, I am ruining my rep.

[Maverick827]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

With all due respect, your perspective is not the one that matters. The customer's perspective is the important one.

With no due respect, not only are you incorrect, but you are not all customers and thus probably shouldn't speak as if you are. You know of maybe one thousand disgruntled fans (on the internet, no less) out of millions of consumers: to believe this number is significant is simply ignorant.

This post addressing the community simply screams that you haven't heard the feedback that you got. Your response is still, "I'm right and you're wrong."

As opposed to the malcontents on this forum's brilliant argument of "you're wrong and we're right?"

I love both basketball games and football games but for dramatically different reasons. If I'm in the mood for a good football game, it doesn't matter if the basketball game is the best damn basketball video game ever created if it wasn't the type of game that I wanted to play and bought and this is at the core of your deeply flawed current understanding of what it will take to make the community happy.

The more apt analogy would be that you wanted a football game, and you bought a football game, but it was professional football and you wanted college football. Actually, the best analogy would be no analogy at all, but instead an actual argument.

And that's the problem that Bioware refuses to address. You have disrespect for your gaming audience's tastes. In your haste and zeal to reach a larger market, you aren't listening to your current one. Bioware got a free pass with the Mass Effect franchise being a Shooter game with RPG elements tacked on because we figured we'd still have a TRUE RPG like Dragon Age to fall back upon.

Again, why do you speak as if you speak for everyone? Why are you so self-important?

Bioware got a pass with turning the Knights of the Old Republic franchise from a TRUE RPG into an MMORPG.

Yeah, SWTOR isn't a true RPG! It's football! Or, uh, a bear? I forget, but it's definitely one of those things! Are you from Scotland, by chance?

Griffons aren't synonymous with a game being an RPG.

I'm willing to bet neither are anything that you believe are synonymous with RPGs.

Hawke's story was poorly written and rushed. It has innumerable holes and pacing problems. It completely failed to get me emotionally connected with anything that is going on.

Hawke's story was well written and compellingly paced. It had no plot holes, and completely got me emotionally connected with everything that was going on. I can start to see why you guys act the way you do: it's easier to just state things without any evidence or argument at all.

[neppakyo]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I think it's time for another community hug.


And I should  stop being all soft, I am ruining my rep.

Nah, yer not soft.

I'm afraid I might step in something

[Serpieri Nei]

Curious, the warden story is done according to Bioware - so why are people exited about Griffins?

[Lenimph]

Killer Irish wrote...

My biggest frustration/complaint is that nothing seemed to be tied to the first game.

Out of curiousity ... was your warden Dalish by any chance? Mine was and Merrill could never stop talking about her. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

neppakyo wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I think it's time for another community hug.


And I should  stop being all soft, I am ruining my rep.

Nah, yer not soft.

You're right. I am very hard.

[Lenimph]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...


You're right. I am very hard.

Morrigan approves...

[neppakyo]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I think it's time for another community hug.


And I should  stop being all soft, I am ruining my rep.

Nah, yer not soft.

You're right. I am very hard.

[Zanallen]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Curious, the warden story is done according to Bioware - so why are people exited about Griffins?

No, the PC Warden's story is done. Warden lore and what not is still going strong.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Maverick827 wrote...
Hawke's story was well written and compellingly paced. It had no plot holes, and completely got me emotionally connected with everything that was going on. I can start to see why you guys act the way you do: it's easier to just state things without any evidence or argument at all.

Isn't that also just stating something with no evidence or arguments?

I on the otherhand thought it was extremily poorily written and I wish I can say that I was indifferent, but at the end, I actually thought Hawke was my least favorite protagonist I have ever played and that this is the only RPG to date that I don't want to play again. So distate was the predominant emotional reaction that  I was having.

Now I could provide detailed explanation as to why, but arguing about that is likely just going to end up into a "I am right, you're wrong" vs "nope, you're wrong, I'm right". Or a cordial agreement to just disagree and that tastes are different. So might  as well skip to either conclusion.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 28 mai 2011 - 04:01 .

[Lord_Valandil]

Maverick827 wrote...
Hawke's story was well written and compellingly paced. It had no plot holes, and completely got me emotionally connected with everything that was going on. I can start to see why you guys act the way you do: it's easier to just state things without any evidence or argument at all.

I have to disagree with you, friend.
Well, you (and most of the forum probably) already know what I think about the story, so I'll just leave it there.
Everyone has their own opinion.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Now I could
provide detailed explanation as to why, but arguing about that is likely
just going to end up into a "I am right, you're wrong" vs "nope, you're
wrong, I'm right". Or a cordial agreement to just disagree and that
tastes are different. So might  as well skip to either conclusion.

Indeed.

Modifié par Lord_Valandil, 28 mai 2011 - 03:59 .

[Zanallen]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...
Hawke's story was well written and compellingly paced. It had no plot holes, and completely got me emotionally connected with everything that was going on. I can start to see why you guys act the way you do: it's easier to just state things without any evidence or argument at all.

Isn't that also just stating something with no evidence or arguments?

I on the otherhand thought it was extremily poorily written and I wish I can say that I was indifferent, but at the end, I actually thought Hawke was my least favorite protagonist I have ever played and that this is the only RPG to date that I don't want to play again. So distate was the predominant emotional reaction that  I was having.

Now I could provide detailed explanation as to why, but arguing about that is likely just going to end up into a "I am right, you're wrong" vs "nope, you're wrong, I'm right". Or a cordial agreement to just disagree and that tastes are different. So might  as well skip to either conclusion.

Yay! Subjective opinions!

[mesmerizedish]

Lenimph wrote...

Out of curiousity ... was your warden Dalish by any chance? Mine was and Merrill could never stop talking about her.

Inorite? I was all, "I know my Warden was a lioness in bed, but calm down, Merrill. You're making Hawke jealous."

[In Exile]

Everwarden wrote...

Skyrim is looking better and better every day, no?

Sadly, no. Unless they have dramatically altered how the PC interacts with the world via dialogue, i.e. have actually created a dialogue system worth anything and use it as more than a filter for quests, Skyrim continues to be a game I have very little interest in. Obsidian doesn't have a hand in this, so we're far more likely to get FO3 instead of New Vegas.

Modifié par In Exile, 28 mai 2011 - 04:03 .