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[Zanallen]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

How is it done? Do the Wardens go into when hybernation when the Blight is averted? It does seem that Warden lore is more appealing then Hawke, and since the driving point of story currently is an all out war with mages and templars. Why exactly would the Wardens be part of this or Hawke seaching Warden sites for?

The Warden's story is done because wardens are really only important during a Blight and the hero of Ferelden is only important in Ferelden. The Warden saved the country from the Blight and prevented a paranoid traitor from becoming king. Yay! That's the scope of his story. He accomplished what he set out to do. There are no real loose threads that the Warden needs to tie up, just glimpses of possible future plotlines.

Why is Hawke messign around with Warden ruins? Who knows? When does this DLC take place? Maybe it happens after the main campaign like most of the Origins DLC. Its hard to say when all we have is a single screenshot of an underground ruin with some griffon statues.

[Everwarden]

In Exile wrote...

It was more... I was desperately hoping you'd dissaude me.

Well.. er..

I have a lot of good karma built up from a previous life, and I'm hoping I can spend it all on an awesome Skyrim?

..no, you don't buy that? 

Well, on the bright side.. no more Bethesda camera-lock when you talk! You can actively just walk away from a conversation whenever you want to. That's a plus, right? No? Dammit.

[Serpieri Nei]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Curious, the warden story is done according to Bioware - so why are people exited about Griffins?

Because of the short Warden cameo in Act II?

Oh now I see why the wardens were so busy that they didn't seem to give a **** about what's happening in DA2.

They found a Griffon Adam and Eve.

Now that would of been an interesting game – searching for griffins, finding old warden locations, and maybe even find the last of the griffins and re-acquainting them with the Wardens 

Modifié par Serpieri Nei, 28 mai 2011 - 04:32 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

I was actually happy that Hawke was not a Warden, and that the concept was about a low life refugee becoming something big via his talents, skills and brains.

Yea, awesome concept. The execution left much to be desired however.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Curious, the warden story is done according to Bioware - so why are people exited about Griffins?

Because of the short Warden cameo in Act II?

Oh now I see why the wardens were so busy that they didn't seem to give a **** about what's happening in DA2.

They found a Griffon Adam and Eve.

Now that would of been an interesting game – searching for griffins, finding old warden locations, and maybe even find the last of the griffins and re-acquainting them with the Wardens 

Which reminds me of my suggestion to have mini-games.

We should have mini-games of us sitting on griffon eggs till they hatch. And putting them to sleep!
Oh oh and petting them! And...

Feeding them live mice in very gruesome manly cutscenes.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 28 mai 2011 - 04:35 .

[In Exile]

Serpieri Nei wrote...
Where they made
it clear, they will not get involved in the current affairs.

But they did go to the Deep Roads. Specifically to look for the idol that Hawke found. So I would wager this ties into the idol, and how it drove Meredith bonkers.

[Lord_Valandil]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Is that so?
Because my Warden was a Dalish as well and all I got was a couple of random quotes. And also...what the hell happened with the lands that my Warden gave to the Dalish?

Alistair gave the Dalish their lands, though it somehow backfired. King Alistair looks sad for a moment, says he's going to make it up to the Dalish and that he owes your Warden too much not to.

Thanks for the reply, Dave!

[In Exile]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Now that would of been an interesting game – searching for griffins, finding old warden locations, and maybe even find the last of the griffins and re-acquainting them with the Wardens 

I actually think that would have made a much worse game. The only thing less interesting than the Wardens are the darkspawn. Unless we play a game that gets at the origins of the blight.

[KnightofPhoenix]

In Exile wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Now that would of been an interesting game – searching for griffins, finding old warden locations, and maybe even find the last of the griffins and re-acquainting them with the Wardens 

I actually think that would have made a much worse game. The only thing less interesting than the Wardens are the darkspawn. Unless we play a game that gets at the origins of the blight.

Even disciples?

I personally would love a DA spin-off with a Darkspawn Disciple Protagonist working under "The Seeker".

But since we most probably will never have Elven or Dwarven PCs, what are the chances of a Darkspawn one.

[Serpieri Nei]

Zanallen wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

How is it done? Do the Wardens go into when hybernation when the Blight is averted? It does seem that Warden lore is more appealing then Hawke, and since the driving point of story currently is an all out war with mages and templars. Why exactly would the Wardens be part of this or Hawke seaching Warden sites for?

The Warden's story is done because wardens are really only important during a Blight and the hero of Ferelden is only important in Ferelden. The Warden saved the country from the Blight and prevented a paranoid traitor from becoming king. Yay! That's the scope of his story. He accomplished what he set out to do. There are no real loose threads that the Warden needs to tie up, just glimpses of possible future plotlines.

Why is Hawke messign around with Warden ruins? Who knows? When does this DLC take place? Maybe it happens after the main campaign like most of the Origins DLC. Its hard to say when all we have is a single screenshot of an underground ruin with some griffon statues.

The Grey Wardens are an ancient organization of warriors of exceptional ability dedicated to fighting darkspawn in all of Thedas, and not just Ferelden. They are vital to the survival of the world and continue to be vigilant in the other nations and continue to battle their mortal enemies where ever they are found. And awakenings showed us that.

Hawke is probably messing with he ruins because he stumbled onto them like how he stumbled into becoming Champion.  

Modifié par Serpieri Nei, 28 mai 2011 - 04:54 .

[Serpieri Nei]

In Exile wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Now that would of been an interesting game – searching for griffins, finding old warden locations, and maybe even find the last of the griffins and re-acquainting them with the Wardens 

I actually think that would have made a much worse game. The only thing less interesting than the Wardens are the darkspawn. Unless we play a game that gets at the origins of the blight.

Doubtful, since DA2's story is as overused as origins, and it's clear people are very excited about the Griffins 

Modifié par Serpieri Nei, 28 mai 2011 - 04:56 .

[Zanallen]

And the Grey Wardens are not supposed to involve themselves in politics. Their only real purpose is to fight the darkspawn and end Blights. Having the Warden as the main character for multiple games would be fairly boring and limiting.

[Zanallen]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Doubtful, since DA2's story is as overused as origins, and it's clear people are very excited about the Griffins 

People are excited about griffons because they are supposed to be extinct.

[Elhanan]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Filament wrote...

Man, don't get my hopes up with this griffon talk if there aren't actually going to be griffons in it.

I can promise only statues at this point, alas. But they are pretty big statues, so that's something.

Just in case this was missed in the noise.

Modifié par Elhanan, 28 mai 2011 - 05:14 .

[LobselVith8]

highcastle wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

You are aware that Hawke can be a blood mage and a healer right? That even a Grey Warden mage can be a shapeshifter, and a healer, and many other things as well. So you see it does make sense, or can you show me where its written in any of the codex's if you specialize in one school of magic, you are prohbited from another. Remember,  this isn't D&D. And I'm sure some warriors never used a sword or shield, and somehow were unable to wield them so they choose a 2-handed sword or how a rogue couldn't use a dagger/sword because working a crossbow as complex as Bianca takes up all their grey matter.

I'm aware Hawke can be a BM and a SH, and it makes no sense. I'd be all for them making certain specs mutually exclusive to jibe with the lore. BM is about working with demons, being a SH is about working with spirits. Those two entities don't normally get along well. Case in point: Justice. Try to do anything with a demon around that guy, and see how he takes it.

Blood magic can be used for demonology, but it isn't a requirement for a blood mage to work with demons, and even a Spirit Healer can accidently end up summoning a demon into the real world if he (or she) isn't careful as Spirit Healers can get the assistance of spirits for powerful spells.

Even learning blood magic doesn't require a demon (although a demon can teach it). We see that Jowan learned blood magic from books in the library (which is why Irving removed the books), the Orlesian Warden can learn the art from a book in Amaranthine, the history of Thedas has some scholars wondering if the Arlathan elves taught blood magic to the Tevinter Magisters, and Anders even asks Merrill if she learned blood magic by accident.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 28 mai 2011 - 05:02 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zanallen wrote...

And the Grey Wardens are not supposed to involve themselves in politics.

The current First Warden disagrees.

[Serpieri Nei]

Zanallen wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Doubtful, since DA2's story is as overused as origins, and it's clear people are very excited about the Griffins 

People are excited about griffons because they are supposed to be extinct.

and how does that tie into the templar and mages?

[LobselVith8]

Zanallen wrote...

And the Grey Wardens are not supposed to involve themselves in politics. Their only real purpose is to fight the darkspawn and end Blights. Having the Warden as the main character for multiple games would be fairly boring and limiting.

What about the arling of Amaranthine? It can be governed by the Hero of Ferelden, who can be a mage no less. I'm certain that a mage being a high noble with lesser nobles swearing fealty, having an army, governing a city, and commanding a famous order throughout the nation would be addressed by the Chantry and the Order of Templars at the end of DA2, particularly if he's romantically involved with an apostate.

[Zanallen]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

And the Grey Wardens are not supposed to involve themselves in politics.

The current First Warden disagrees.

That's because the peple of the Anderfels want the wardens to lead. They lack faith in the king. That doesn't change the fact that the wardens aren't supposed to be a political force.

[Cutlass Jack]

Zanallen wrote...

People are excited about griffons because they are supposed to be extinct.

Nah mostly we're pretending to be excited about griffons to annoy the hell out of Wynne.

[Zanallen]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

and how does that tie into the templar and mages?

Not sure. But as I said earlier, I don't know when the DLC is supposed to take place either. What does Golems have to do with the Blight?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zanallen wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

And the Grey Wardens are not supposed to involve themselves in politics.

The current First Warden disagrees.

That's because the peple of the Anderfels want the wardens to lead. They lack faith in the king. That doesn't change the fact that the wardens aren't supposed to be a political force.

Except the First Warden is lookign beyond the Anderfels, for instance Amaranthine.

The Wardens are what they decide they are. What they are "supposed" to be is irrelevent (and usually a bunch of propaganda). Right now, the First Warden has political ambitions and wants the wardens to be important politically, blight or no.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 28 mai 2011 - 05:16 .

[erynnar]

Maverick827 wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

With all due respect, your perspective is not the one that matters. The customer's perspective is the important one.

With no due respect, not only are you incorrect, but you are not all customers and thus probably shouldn't speak as if you are. You know of maybe one thousand disgruntled fans (on the internet, no less) out of millions of consumers: to believe this number is significant is simply ignorant.

This post addressing the community simply screams that you haven't heard the feedback that you got. Your response is still, "I'm right and you're wrong."

As opposed to the malcontents on this forum's brilliant argument of "you're wrong and we're right?"

I love both basketball games and football games but for dramatically different reasons. If I'm in the mood for a good football game, it doesn't matter if the basketball game is the best damn basketball video game ever created if it wasn't the type of game that I wanted to play and bought and this is at the core of your deeply flawed current understanding of what it will take to make the community happy.

The more apt analogy would be that you wanted a football game, and you bought a football game, but it was professional football and you wanted college football. Actually, the best analogy would be no analogy at all, but instead an actual argument.

And that's the problem that Bioware refuses to address. You have disrespect for your gaming audience's tastes. In your haste and zeal to reach a larger market, you aren't listening to your current one. Bioware got a free pass with the Mass Effect franchise being a Shooter game with RPG elements tacked on because we figured we'd still have a TRUE RPG like Dragon Age to fall back upon.

Again, why do you speak as if you speak for everyone? Why are you so self-important?

Bioware got a pass with turning the Knights of the Old Republic franchise from a TRUE RPG into an MMORPG.

Yeah, SWTOR isn't a true RPG! It's football! Or, uh, a bear? I forget, but it's definitely one of those things! Are you from Scotland, by chance?

Griffons aren't synonymous with a game being an RPG.

I'm willing to bet neither are anything that you believe are synonymous with RPGs.

Hawke's story was poorly written and rushed. It has innumerable holes and pacing problems. It completely failed to get me emotionally connected with anything that is going on.

Hawke's story was well written and compellingly paced. It had no plot holes, and completely got me emotionally connected with everything that was going on. I can start to see why you guys act the way you do: it's easier to just state things without any evidence or argument at all.

And that you think your number is more significant is just as ignorant. Let's face it, neither camp has any hard numbers to back up the "we're the majority." The closest we have is sales tallies. After the initial pre-order based on DAO's success they drop significantly. Still, not hard evidence, but a hell of a lot more compelling than just saying that the people here on the forums are the loud, whining minority.

Nice fantasies, but hardly closer to being true. We won't know the majority until DA3.

[Serpieri Nei]

Zanallen wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

and how does that tie into the templar and mages?

Not sure. But as I said earlier, I don't know when the DLC is supposed to take place either. What does Golems have to do with the Blight?

Dwarves have been fighting the Darkspawn continuously in the deeproads and created a weapon of Stone and Iron to fight them

Modifié par Serpieri Nei, 28 mai 2011 - 05:20 .

[Zanallen]

LobselVith8 wrote...

What about the arling of Amaranthine? It can be governed by the Hero of Ferelden, who can be a mage no less. I'm certain that a mage being a high noble with lesser nobles swearing fealty, having an army, governing a city, and commanding a famous order throughout the nation would be addressed by the Chantry and the Order of Templars at the end of DA2, particularly if he's romantically involved with an apostate.

Amaranthine was given to the Wardens to serve as their base within Ferelden and as a punishment for Howe's treachery.

The rest has little to do with the topic at hand, but I suppose I can take a crack at it. If the mage warden is the Hero of Ferelden, I doubt that the chantry would take a shot at them. That would risk pissing off an entire nation of people. Other than that, there seems to be an understanding that a mage warden is warden first and mage second.