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[Persephone]

Yrkoon wrote...

So let me see if I've got the gist  of the points you're making:

1) Having to think - BAD
2) Having to tactically time/position your spells -  BAD
3) Convoluted Questlines - BAD
4) RPG Genre - BAD

Translation:  Keep it simple, stupid!


Yeah, no thanks.  I'm neither a kid, nor am I afflicted with ADD.    So I have no reason to play games designed to appeal to  ADD afflicted Kids.

WOW..........and I thought the rudeness and arrogance had reached its peak already. Sad that it had to invade this thread as well. When posters treat each other this way, no matter on which side of the fence, it's disgusting.

[In Exile]

Let's add a positive note:

One thing I loved (yes, loved - with respect to DA2) was the ability have your companions act on your behalf. That's something that was missing from other RPGs that I've played, and it was great to see the interplay you could have between your PC and other NPCs.

[neppakyo]

In Exile wrote...

neppakyo wrote...
Heh. So a seeker. aka SPECTRE from ME.

Ahh rumours and silliness.

Or a Warden from DA:O. Or a Jedi from KoTOR. Or a Spirit Monk from JE.

Bioware seems only to be able to write solid plots for secret warrior orders.

So maybe the next game a solidly written character from a secret warrior order? aka jedi or spectre? Instead of a poorly written champion?

I'm game for a Seeker Shaepard sailing the steamship SR1 Normandy.

[Ottemis]

In Exile
Ahh yes, loved that too.

Modifié par Ottemis, 28 mai 2011 - 06:32 .

[Persephone]

In Exile wrote...

Let's add a positive note:

One thing I loved (yes, loved - with respect to DA2) was the ability have your companions act on your behalf. That's something that was missing from other RPGs that I've played, and it was great to see the interplay you could have between your PC and other NPCs.

I absolutely LOVED that too. Esp. with Varric.

[Yrkoon]

Persephone wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

So let me see if I've got the gist  of the points you're making:

1) Having to think - BAD
2) Having to tactically time/position your spells -  BAD
3) Convoluted Questlines - BAD
4) RPG Genre - BAD

Translation:  Keep it simple, stupid!


Yeah, no thanks.  I'm neither a kid, nor am I afflicted with ADD.    So I have no reason to play games designed to appeal to  ADD afflicted Kids.

WOW..........and I thought the rudeness and arrogance had reached its peak already. Sad that it had to invade this thread as well. When posters treat each other this way, no matter on which side of the fence, it's disgusting.

Er... someone did not understand a single word in my post.


Unless, of course, criticising a game makes one rude, in which case, I'm  so damn rude.  I admit it.  lol

[Persephone]

Yrkoon wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

So let me see if I've got the gist  of the points you're making:

1) Having to think - BAD
2) Having to tactically time/position your spells -  BAD
3) Convoluted Questlines - BAD
4) RPG Genre - BAD

Translation:  Keep it simple, stupid!


Yeah, no thanks.  I'm neither a kid, nor am I afflicted with ADD.    So I have no reason to play games designed to appeal to  ADD afflicted Kids.

WOW..........and I thought the rudeness and arrogance had reached its peak already. Sad that it had to invade this thread as well. When posters treat each other this way, no matter on which side of the fence, it's disgusting.

Er... someone did not understand a single word in my post.


Unless, of course, criticising a game makes one rude, in which case, I'm  so damn rude.  I admit it.  lol

Er......someone doesn't understand the difference between belittling a poster's opinion/using handicaps as insults and constructive "criticism". The above wasn't criticising the game, it was pure vitriol. At least stand by it and don't hide behind "criticism" and other much maligned words.

[Alex Kershaw]

Thanks for responding, at least... I guess this means you're still the lead designer then...

[Master Shiori]

Persephone wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Let's add a positive note:

One thing I loved (yes, loved - with respect to DA2) was the ability have your companions act on your behalf. That's something that was missing from other RPGs that I've played, and it was great to see the interplay you could have between your PC and other NPCs.

I absolutely LOVED that too. Esp. with Varric.

I loved those as well. Fenris dealing with Danig, Aveline getting the information out of the deserter guard, etc.

I also loved class specific actions, like rogue Hawke throwing the knife at the Tevinter slaver during the Wayward Son quest.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Persephone wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Let's add a positive note:

One thing I loved (yes, loved - with respect to DA2) was the ability have your companions act on your behalf. That's something that was missing from other RPGs that I've played, and it was great to see the interplay you could have between your PC and other NPCs.

I absolutely LOVED that too. Esp. with Varric.

Same. But I only felt it was there at the beginning and it no longer happened afterwards. IIRC correctly at least. But yes, tha'ts something I really liked.

[Yrkoon]

Persephone wrote...
 The above wasn't criticising the game, it was pure vitriol.

Vitriol and criticism aren't mutually exclusive things.

At all.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 28 mai 2011 - 06:43 .

[Ottemis]

Master Shiori wrote...
I also loved class specific actions, like rogue Hawke throwing the knife at the Tevinter slaver during the Wayward Son quest.

Ahh yes, you know that gave me good ME flashbacks.
You remember the part where you shoot and blow up a tank which kills several mercs and sends one flying past a salarian looking utterly stunned by what just happened =D

"You talk too much" -moves <--- le awesum

Modifié par Ottemis, 28 mai 2011 - 06:48 .

[In Exile]

Yrkoon wrote...
Er... someone did not understand a single word in my post.


Unless, of course, criticising a game makes one rude, in which case, I'm  so damn rude.  I admit it.  lol

You slammed people with a disability. That's not cool. It's never alright to use an impairment as a pejorative.

Modifié par In Exile, 28 mai 2011 - 06:44 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Yrkoon wrote...

Persephone wrote...
 The above wasn't criticising the game, it was pure vitriol.

Vitriol and criticism aren't mutually exclusive things.

At all.

Vitrial and constructive criticism on the otherhand are.

[Aaleel]

I honestly had no problem with some of the changes, but they were executed so poorly.

- The game takes place over years, but the city or none of the surroundings ever change.  Nothing you did in Act 1 grew into anything in Act 3.   

- You give me a family, but never developed it.  I can remember 1 quest that dealt with the family in the city where they cam from.  Your mom lives with you for almost two acts and you barely speak.  

- I had a problem with how dead the city was before I played the Witcher 2, but it's even more glaring now.  Moreso, I went back and looked at Origins.  Even Ostegar had more life.  You had the man talking about killing darkspawn, the mages practicing, the woman preaching, the archers practicing, there were things going on around you.

- It was supposed to be a personal story but didn't feel like it.  It should have started in Lothering to introduce you to your family, develop it some, and connect the games for people who played the first.  Then in Kirkwall show how Hawke made his/her name doing small quests first, then being trusted with bigger ones.  As mentioned earlier, develop the family.

So if you're still reading this thread Mr. Laidlaw, I have no problem with change in general, but if you do it, you should take the time to do it well.  But it is good to see that you have read the and acknowledged the players concerns.

The enemy waves I hated though

[neppakyo]

In Exile wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...
Er... someone did not understand a single word in my post.


Unless, of course, criticising a game makes one rude, in which case, I'm  so damn rude.  I admit it.  lol

You slammed people with a handicap. That's not cool. It's never alright to use an impairment as a pejorative.

I like to push people out of wheelchairs then proceed to beat them with said wheelchair.

*shifty eyed*

[Ottemis]

neppakyo wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...
Er... someone did not understand a single word in my post.


Unless, of course, criticising a game makes one rude, in which case, I'm  so damn rude.  I admit it.  lol

You slammed people with a handicap. That's not cool. It's never alright to use an impairment as a pejorative.

I like to push people out of wheelchairs then proceed to beat them with said wheelchair.

*shifty eyed*

Beat old people with their own walking sticks too right? *wink wink

[neppakyo]

Ottemis wrote...

Beat old people with their own walking sticks too right? *wink wink

Thats just cruel.

You push them down stairs.

[In Exile]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Same. But I only felt it was there at the beginning and it no longer happened afterwards. IIRC correctly at least. But yes, tha'ts something I really liked.

I think it's something that could be expanded (and potentially include the friendship rivalry mechanic). You'd just need two responses for every button.

There are choices later - with Aveline in guardsmen related quests, and Anders if you bring him with Varric in Act 2.

[TEWR]

Master Shiori wrote...

Persephone wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Let's add a positive note:

One thing I loved (yes, loved - with respect to DA2) was the ability have your companions act on your behalf. That's something that was missing from other RPGs that I've played, and it was great to see the interplay you could have between your PC and other NPCs.

I absolutely LOVED that too. Esp. with Varric.

I loved those as well. Fenris dealing with Danig, Aveline getting the information out of the deserter guard, etc.

I also loved class specific actions, like rogue Hawke throwing the knife at the Tevinter slaver during the Wayward Son quest.

all of these were definitely good things. Having Varric BS your way out of things was great.

Though at least 1 or 2 times it wouldn't feel right. During Varric's Family Matters quest I picked "What do you think Anders?" but all that Hawke did was stay silent as if he was telepathically communicating with both Varric and Anders.

Do you guys think we should see more class specific kills (I only know of the Rogue's slaver kill)? And class specific ways of using the murder knife?

[Nerevar-as]

In Exile wrote...

Let's add a positive note:

One thing I loved (yes, loved - with respect to DA2) was the ability have your companions act on your behalf. That's something that was missing from other RPGs that I've played, and it was great to see the interplay you could have between your PC and other NPCs.

Loved Varrick making up stories to avoid fights.

[Yrkoon]

neppakyo wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...
Er... someone did not understand a single word in my post.


Unless, of course, criticising a game makes one rude, in which case, I'm  so damn rude.  I admit it.  lol

You slammed people with a handicap. That's not cool. It's never alright to use an impairment as a pejorative.

I like to push people out of wheelchairs then proceed to beat them with said wheelchair.

*shifty eyed*

I  once saw Stevie Wonder at the airport.  I waved to him.  Then smiled.

That's Chaotic evil  behavior right there.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 28 mai 2011 - 06:49 .

[Master Shiori]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Let's add a positive note:

One thing I loved (yes, loved - with respect to DA2) was the ability have your companions act on your behalf. That's something that was missing from other RPGs that I've played, and it was great to see the interplay you could have between your PC and other NPCs.

I absolutely LOVED that too. Esp. with Varric.

Same. But I only felt it was there at the beginning and it no longer happened afterwards. IIRC correctly at least. But yes, tha'ts something I really liked.

I was available throughout Acts 1 and 2, but not in Act 3 (as far as I remember):

Varric bluffing the slavers during Wayward Son
Varric bluffing the templars during Act of Mercy
Merrill/Anders checking Keran for possession
Aveline getting information out of the corrupted guard
Merrill attempting to blow up the Rock Wraith
Bethany/Anders/Merrill breaking Idunna's charm spell
Fenris getting information out of Danzig
Fenris killing the magister's son at your behest
etc

[KnightofPhoenix]

Aaleel wrote...

- It was supposed to be a personal story but didn't feel like it.  It should have started in Lothering to introduce you to your family, develop it some, and connect the games for people who played the first.  Then in Kirkwall show how Hawke made his/her name doing small quests first, then being trusted with bigger ones.  As mentioned earlier, develop the family.

Very much agreed. Because as of yet, we are being told that Hawke and family lost a life we never see. That loss is thus insignificant to me. In Origins on the otherhand, every Origin has us experience life before being a Warden, then falling to the lowest lows then becoming a Warden. It created drama and sense of loss, notwithstanding plot hammering in certain cases (mage origin).

In DA2, the game expects me to care about something they are telling me and not showing me and it's supposed to be the main premise of beginning of the game.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 28 mai 2011 - 06:51 .