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[Patchwork]

I don't think we need to see the Warden or Hawke again (the thought of my city elf in the new model fills me with horror and I kind of like the new design) all we need is resolution and a little continuation.

IMO Hawke and the Warden would work as being the Eye of God/mentors to DA3's protagonist. The silent Warden can send gifts and letters, the epic equipment and lore the Warden seemed to attract like a bee to honey. Voiced Hawke can offer advice or insight and the key thing at the end of the game they can have whatever future the player chooses because of a conversation DA3 hero had with Hawke concerning their lives or deaths as the case may be.

[Valcutio]

Luke Barrett wrote...

Closure does not necessarily mean you need to visibly see The Warden or Champion again, simply that you know what exactly happened to them. Obviously the visual would be nice but it isn't necessary (I don't think) to achieve what the OP was looking for.

It does mean visibly seeing it and experiencing it. This is a video game, not a novel.

That's what closure is in this medium.

[Robtachi]

Why are people so opposed to Hawke or the Warden coming back anyway? Without a consistent main character, none of these games are ever going to really feel like sequels.

[SilentK]

I would love to continue with my Hawkes =) got a collection of 3 finished so far

edit: spelling as always....

Modifié par SilentK, 29 mai 2011 - 07:42 .

[In Exile]

Robtachi wrote...

Why are people so opposed to Hawke or the Warden coming back anyway? Without a consistent main character, none of these games are ever going to really feel like sequels.

I don't think an RP sequel works without a massive effort to set a cannon, because the game essentially has to force you somewhere.

ME works with Shepard because the overarching goal is the same. DA2, if you didn't defeat the blight in DA:O, could easily have followed up on the Warden (same enemy).

You always have to force your player to buy in, and honestly, I'm tired of the infested with evil soul stolen (NWN MoTB, BG II) plot hooks. NWN HoTU at least worked since your sell as a PC was wanting to be an adventurer.

[JamieCOTC]

VictorianTrash wrote...

Actually, bad news: I got a thinly-veiled 'no' to the Warden from a message I shot to Laidlaw:

VictorianTrash
9:08 PM 2011-05-26

Mr. Laidlaw:

Your latest thread has me interested, especially your comment (in one of your subsequent posts) about the VOs being perpetuated in the series. That said, do we have a chance of seeing The Warden again? I didn't want to turn your 'Thank You' thread into a Q&A and throw it off-track, so I figured I'd drop you a line and hope for a reply.

I don't expect an outright yes or no, just something satiating to go on. With the addition of a voiced protagonist, I don't see how it's likely. But I'm holding out hope. Anything you can divulge? Ambiguous answers are fine. (:

Thanks!

Wish you luck on the rest of your projects.

Mike Laidlaw
9:53 PM 2011-05-26
I would suggest that it's unlikely, but not impossible. The core reason is that with the face system redesigned, there could be cosmetic differences, and while people might accept some minor changes in Alistair/Zev/Leli, I think that -any- deviation in the character you may have spent hours crafting does a disservice to that character.

So while it could be cool, I don't think we could pull it off as well as we would want to; and the voice thing is problematic.



This post isn't meant to spark animosity between the pro-Warden and pro-Hawke parties and turn the thread into another battle of attrition; nor was it meant to disparage Laidlaw in some catty, underhanded way. I just thought I'd share, as the information seemed relevant to the discussion. I'm a smidge disappointed by the news, but I expected this was the case. At the very least, we'll get closure for Hawke. The Warden, unfortunately, will likely vanish into nothingness like Revan.

Thanks for posting that.  It's at least nice to know. 

[Great_Horn]

The Warden might simply just vanish for reasons unknown and there too they will say that "neither does anyone think his/her tale is complete..."
http://dragonage.wik...ogue_(Awakening)

I´m still hoping for a proper ending.

[Majical]

Auroras, forgive me if I am completely mistaken, but I got the impression that both the Warden and Hawke were still to play a larger role in a later installment. This became especially prominent (at least for me) at the end of DA2 when Leliana mentions how both Hawke and the Warden just vanish. I believe the quote is something along the lines of "Gone. Just like the Warden" (however don't quote me on that ). I think Varric also teases that the Seekers are still searching for the champion in the epilogue. Thus I am just hoping that this is case...
Of course however, I could have the wrong end of the stick. At least this might give you some hope .

[kaiki01]

Great_Horn wrote...

The Warden might simply just vanish for reasons unknown and there too they will say that "neither does anyone think his/her tale is complete..."
http://dragonage.wik...ogue_(Awakening)

I´m still hoping for a proper ending.

I'm sure that we won't have to wait 7 years before we know what happens to a central character in a beloved Bioware game....wait a second...D:

[Great_Horn]

kaiki01 wrote...

Great_Horn wrote...

The Warden might simply just vanish for reasons unknown and there too they will say that "neither does anyone think his/her tale is complete..."
http://dragonage.wik...ogue_(Awakening)

I´m still hoping for a proper ending.

I'm sure that we won't have to wait 7 years before we know what happens to a central character in a beloved Bioware game....wait a second...D:

Game time or real time?

[kaiki01]

Great_Horn wrote...

kaiki01 wrote...

Great_Horn wrote...

The Warden might simply just vanish for reasons unknown and there too they will say that "neither does anyone think his/her tale is complete..."
http://dragonage.wik...ogue_(Awakening)

I´m still hoping for a proper ending.

I'm sure that we won't have to wait 7 years before we know what happens to a central character in a beloved Bioware game....wait a second...D:

Game time or real time?

Real time -> see KOTOR: The Sith Lords & SWTOR >_>

Modifié par kaiki01, 28 mai 2011 - 10:11 .

[ExaltedReign]

I'm pretty sure that if Hawke was killed at the end, the same amount of people, or even more, would rage.

I think that not having "closure" in the games is a good idea. It means more potential to a sequel.
I hope to see my Hawke in DA3. Not necessarily as the protagonist, but he should still effect it in the same way.

And don't wardens only live until their thirties? My guess is that your Warden in DA:O is about 20-25. Add the 9 years from DA2, and you might get a dead Warden.

Though, if the Warden does end up being in DA3, I would love to see him go down to the Deep Roads and slaughter a few hundred 'spawn before he dies.

[kaiki01]

ExaltedReign wrote...

I'm pretty sure that if Hawke was killed at the end, the same amount of people, or even more, would rage.

I think that not having "closure" in the games is a good idea. It means more potential to a sequel.
I hope to see my Hawke in DA3. Not necessarily as the protagonist, but he should still effect it in the same way.

And don't wardens only live until their thirties? My guess is that your Warden in DA:O is about 20-25. Add the 9 years from DA2, and you might get a dead Warden.

Though, if the Warden does end up being in DA3, I would love to see him go down to the Deep Roads and slaughter a few hundred 'spawn before he dies.

1) I never thought of Hawke being killed at the end. If DA3 started off with Hawke's death, thumbs up on this end.

2) Wardens live alot longer then that. They live till 30 years afrer the joining, not till their 30s

[Faust1979]

Robtachi wrote...

Why are people so opposed to Hawke or the Warden coming back anyway? Without a consistent main character, none of these games are ever going to really feel like sequels.

as long as it's set in thedas or another part of the world, small references to past games or events it's sequel enough for me. Besides what does it matter if it feels like a sequel or not? as long as it fits in with the games world then so be it

[Skilled Seeker]

Revan doesn't vanish into nothingness. We'll find out exactly what happened to him in SWTOR.

[AgentWhale]

KOTOR 2 ruined my Revan ending.

My Revan went off to live happily ever after with Bastila making baby Jedis.

then KOTOR 2 comes out with this old claptrap method of patching up the lore by making Revan dissapear without trace. Well FU very much.

Nearly as bad as Aliens 3...

[Fredvdp]

I think there should be a good balance between what's left open and what's closed. I think the open ending in DA2 was much more interesting than the ending of Origins where they describe everything that happens next. By keeping the story open you can always imagine that the hero is on new adventures. I think Tolkien should never have written an appendix about every single character's life after the trilogy. He even has death dates for all his characters. That's too much closure for me.

The writers of Pirates of the Caribbean said that they wrote the ending of Pirates 2 with the idea that a sequel was possible but not necessary. Even if they had never made a third Pirates movie the second movie would have had the same cliffhanger ending. I think that would have made a lot of fans very angry but I think that's much better than the happily ever after approach.

[Major Pentatonic]

They said we'd be getting 'beefier' DLC with DA2. I'm kindda assuming this will continue the story of Hawke, and hopefully, explain his/her disappearance.

Possibly not, I guess they could set the DLC at any time during Hawkes story, however I think it's more likely they'll continue it.

[Yuqi]

If they wanted to bring back the warden,they could just use the defualt versions.Then customise from there, or make the warden have to wear a helmet, all the time(like darth vader lol). As for different events, you could just have one of the seekers in-game ask questions like 'what happened tot he dalish/your clan" like they did in Mass effect. They could retcon easily, morrigan or flemeth uses some magic to revive the warden,in some form.

[Icinix]

See Below = Irrefutable Proof!!!

KOTOR = Revan = Disappeared      }
=============================} = MMORPG KOTOR
KOTOR2 = The Exile = Disappeared }


DAO = Warden = Vanished }
======================} = The writings on the wall here people!
DA2 = Hawke = Vanished    }




This was only 3% serious.

Edit: Hmm...what the hell happened with the formatting...

Modifié par Icinix, 29 mai 2011 - 12:21 .

[Major Pentatonic]

Unfortunately, I don't think there's any way you'll get to play your Warden in DA2.

For a start, look at all the abilities and specialisations they'd need to add. The development work for that would be rather significant. And if they tried bringing him/her back with different skills, there would be another massive outcry from players, complaining about their Warden no longer being an Arcane Warrior, or Shapeshifter, or whatever.

The Waden was DAO, Hawke is DA2, and some other character will be DA3 - hopefully with a choice of race ;-)

[InvaderSte]

Everyone's own form of closure is going to be different, that's just the way the dice rolls. For some people this was in that their Warden gave up his life to save Ferelden, for me he left through the Eluvian to be with Morrigan and go on some insane adventure in another universe (possibly). The point is he stepped through the mirror and now he is gone, he's with the woman of his dreams! Case closed as far as I am concerned. Hawke on the other hand has no ending like this, you win a fight then a cut scene tells you he disappears. Sorry Bioware where's the other half of this story gone? I don't want to start an argument but for me it didn't feel like the end of DA2 was an ending but a halfway point, Sebastian is bringing an army to march against my Hawke and the newly released Circle of Magi, I felt like I played the Prologue and there's still an entire game to be concluded before I even contemplate what could be covered in DA3. If DLC is released for DA2 which I am still expecting in the forms of missions and companions as opposed to armour and trinkets, where is it going to be placed in the realm of DA2, during the 3 Acts in and around Kirkwall or will it be post-Magi/Templar cataclysm and actually give us an insight into the point of the Seekers and their search for the Champion and to what extent our ramifications had for Kirkwall and Thedas rather than another cutscene and some dialogue? I'd rather play out my adventure than hear the best things about a story from a dwarf in a chair. I love both games but for me my Warden had closure, still slightly open ended but closure nonetheless. I'd rather hear news of the continuation of DA2 before anything is released about DA3 otherwise we're just going to get this half-assed sloppy ending like we already have for DA2. Rant over, these are my views alone if you don't like them that's great but don't harass me about them. If you agree then shout out, we can only hope Bioware are taking notes .

[kaiki01]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Revan doesn't vanish into nothingness. We'll find out exactly what happened to him in SWTOR.

But it took us 7+ years to get to that point. I don't want a repeat of KOTOR for DA. A BG repeat yes, KOTOR no.

[Huntress]

Robtachi wrote...

Why are people so opposed to Hawke or the Warden coming back anyway? Without a consistent main character, none of these games are ever going to really feel like sequels.

DA is not about the Warden or Hawk, is about Thedas.. I don't like it but thats the way it goes.

Do I want to play My warden and Hawk with voice and Li's? Yes.

I don't ask much, I would make my warden looks close to what she did or better than she did in DAO, they can have the same voice for all I care, but people are going to ask for dwarves should speak-russian, elves-native american, humans-americans and so on.. Just give me 1 voice and I'll make them all looks different.

[Yuqi]

When I think of fllemeths 'we will not meet again' Ithink thats maybe a hint the warden will not return,sigh.