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[CamouflageUK]

A quiet weekend tending to the needs of Zhu's Hope (again) with Shiala or a proper full on industrial/corporate espionage side quest with Gianna Parasini and Kasumi, ending with a Gianna/Shep one nighter at Azure block apartments on Illium......

[jamesp81]

naledgeborn wrote...

Also to debunk the "no substance" argument.... She has the damn Prothean Cipher in her head. That in itself (among other things) is enough to make her a significant character, but whatever.

Shiala has two things going for her.  She is precisely one of two living people in the galaxy with the Cipher.  And she is the only, ONLY living person to have ever been indoctrinated by a Reaper, broke free of that indoctrination, and SURVIVED IT INTACT.  You want substance?  She could very well hold the key to countering the greatest and most dangerous of the Reapers' weapons: indoctrination.

There is enormous potential for her character should Bioware choose to develop her further.  I'd like to have her around as a nice reward for those of us who didn't blow her brains out on Feros.

[jamesp81]

BinaryHelix101 wrote...

She can be killed in ME1, so I really really doubt it. This is also like the millonth topic on the same issue.

And for the millionth time, anyone on your team in ME2 can be killed, including Shepard, yet they are ALL going to appear in ME3 in varying capacities ranging from cameo to full time permanent squad member.

[jamesp81]

Nashiktal wrote...

After that creepy arm touch and extremely awkward smile at illium... I think i'll pass.

However I am curious, why do people want to romance shiala. Is it because she expressed interest? Because I can't even begin to think of her character. She has no substance, no story, and while i'm sure Bioware can come up with something I just don't see the draw.

She is a strong hearted, paragon warrior.  Some of us like that alone.

As for substance, she has the Prothean Cipher and broke free of Reaper indoctrination alive.  She is one of only two with the cipher, and the only one anywhere to have broken free of Reaper indoctrination and live.  It would be easy to expand this background into a major character, who might hold the key to breaking Reaper indoctrination, which would constitute a huge victory for the goodguys over the Reapers.

Hell, the development she does have practically BEGS for the writers to go back to her.

[Someone With Mass]

No.

Wouldn't mind if she returns, but as a romance is pushing it.

[jamesp81]

naledgeborn wrote...

I like Shiala. Wouldn't mind as long as the "bigger fishes" are out of the frying pan. She is my favorite Asari though and I still think she should have been the "Liara" in ME1. But I don't work for Bioware. If Cheez was still around she'd hate this thread lol.

What happened to Cheez?

[AngelicMachinery]

Can I romance my assault rifle?

[Eshaye]

jamesp81 wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Also to debunk the "no substance" argument.... She has the damn Prothean Cipher in her head. That in itself (among other things) is enough to make her a significant character, but whatever.

Shiala has two things going for her.  She is precisely one of two living people in the galaxy with the Cipher.  And she is the only, ONLY living person to have ever been indoctrinated by a Reaper, broke free of that indoctrination, and SURVIVED IT INTACT.  You want substance?  She could very well hold the key to countering the greatest and most dangerous of the Reapers' weapons: indoctrination.

There is enormous potential for her character should Bioware choose to develop her further.  I'd like to have her around as a nice reward for those of us who didn't blow her brains out on Feros.

I quite agree with this, it's not because she has had a minor role to play so far that it has to remain that way. And this way Shepard can channel his/her inner Captain Kirk and have a blue and green girlie on board...

[Xeranx]

Nashiktal wrote...

After that creepy arm touch and extremely awkward smile at illium... I think i'll pass.

However I am curious, why do people want to romance shiala. Is it because she expressed interest? Because I can't even begin to think of her character. She has no substance, no story, and while i'm sure Bioware can come up with something I just don't see the draw.

No substance?  No story?  Check out the fan thread in the spoiler section if you want to know all the particulars.

I for one hope that she is a full blown love interest in ME3.  A fling?  If she's made a fling then I'd have no reason to believe that Bioware truly care about the integrity of a character.  Nothing about her should put her in the fling category.  Again, see the Shiala fan thread.

Edit: Apparently it was done here.  

Modifié par Xeranx, 27 mai 2011 - 04:26 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Xeranx wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

After that creepy arm touch and extremely awkward smile at illium... I think i'll pass.

However I am curious, why do people want to romance shiala. Is it because she expressed interest? Because I can't even begin to think of her character. She has no substance, no story, and while i'm sure Bioware can come up with something I just don't see the draw.

No substance?  No story?  Check out the fan thread in the spoiler section if you want to know all the particulars.

I for one hope that she is a full blown love interest in ME3.  A fling?  If she's made a fling then I'd have no reason to believe that Bioware truly care about the integrity of a character.  Nothing about her should put her in the fling category.  Again, see the Shiala fan thread.

Edit: Apparently it was done here.  

What about her doesn't say "Fling?" Is there a ton of information about this character floating around outside of the game?  

[Xeranx]

The amount of potential she has rules out fling in my mind. Gianna is more of a fling character because she exists on the periphery, but Shiala is actually involved in the whole thing. Liara was labeled an expert on the Protheans, but she lacks all the knowledge that Shiala has yet was a full LI. The only other person to have all Prothean history and be able to understand it -- Shepard can't do that yet as we've seen. He/She needed Liara to help out and even then Liara was still confused. Also keep in mind that Shepard now understands Prothean. Who else can do that I wonder? It's definitely not Liara.

[Destroy Raiden_]

I would imagine her as a fling or casual romance but not a LI type of situation same for Parasini.

[AngelicMachinery]

Xeranx wrote...

The amount of potential she has rules out fling in my mind. Gianna is more of a fling character because she exists on the periphery, but Shiala is actually involved in the whole thing. Liara was labeled an expert on the Protheans, but she lacks all the knowledge that Shiala has yet was a full LI. The only other person to have all Prothean history and be able to understand it -- Shepard can't do that yet as we've seen. He/She needed Liara to help out and even then Liara was still confused. Also keep in mind that Shepard now understands Prothean. Who else can do that I wonder? It's definitely not Liara.

I'm sorry,  your just attributing to much to the character.  

[Xeranx]

How am I attributing too much to the character by stating facts?
(1) She has their history in her head.
(2) She understands how they functioned because of the Thorian.
(3) Because of her Shepard understands the Prothean language which means she understands it as well.

Because of her time with the Thorian I have reason to believe her knowledge extends beyond the Protheans. All I've witnessed in ME points to her having gained all the Prothean stuff passively.

So what exactly am I unjustly attributing to her because from where I'm sitting she has a lot going for her despite her being in-game for just a few minutes.

[AngelicMachinery]

She's a secondary character built to simply deliver data to Shepherd, Data that Shepherd now has. As such, anything she knows about the Prothean's Shepherd knows. Truthfully though, it's not so much about that but the fact they

A) You desire her as a romance option and
You are attributing her to being virtuous and against the idea of casual sex. You're putting the Asari on a pedestal man.

[Xeranx]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

She's a secondary character built to simply deliver data to Shepherd, Data that Shepherd now has. As such, anything she knows about the Prothean's Shepherd knows. Truthfully though, it's not so much about that but the fact they

A) You desire her as a romance option and
You are attributing her to being virtuous and against the idea of casual sex. You're putting the Asari on a pedestal man.

That's not necessarily true regarding that Shepard knows everything Shiala knows.  Shepard didn't know they could understand Prothean until it happened.  As far as he/she was concerned it was english.  In any case we'd have to wait for ME3 to come out to see what happens.

A) If the possibility exists I will voice my support for it to happen.

Depends on what you mean by virtuous.  I don't doubt she's had partners before, but her courage and conviction are evident in ME.  She asked Shepard what her fate was to be.  Upon saying she had to die she accepted it, knelt down and was executed.  I had to witness that once and knew she had integrity.  She understands right and wrong and doesn't try to avoid the consequences of actions she's committed.  That's something very few people will do and in that regard she should be put on a pedestal.  

In regards to casual sex.  Tried with Jack and it felt cheap (reload).  Had the dialogue option with Samara and I face-palmed.  Me personally, I'm uncomfortable with the idea of casual sex.  I think in the time I'm doing something meaningless I could be doing something meaningful.  Just my take.

[Odoyle]

Unfortunately, Shiala is just a minor character. Same as Gianni, same as Conrad, same as the Consort. Only major characters, ie; squadmates, are turned into love interests. The odds of Shiala being elevated to major character, squadmate status are slim to none.

Yes, she is the only other person in the Galaxy with the cipher burried in her head. Shepard still knows more about the Protheans than anyone else. Don't forget that Shep has been mind-borked by 2 Protehan beacons, visited Ilos, seen and understood a prothean distress hologram, and is only one of 3 people in the Galaxy to speak to Vigil before its power source ran out.

Any new LI's are most likely to be new or returning squadmates, or squadmates you previously did not pursue (including s/s LI's).

Sorry, hate to be negative nancy but I just don't see BW elevating Shiala to the status of Major Character.

[billywaffles]

Whether you like or dislike shiala (for whatever reason), she definitely should come back, and not with some silly quest like "I need more medicines, get me some medicines bwaaaaaaah!".

Modifié par billywaffles, 27 mai 2011 - 05:36 .

[Ozzyfan223]

billywaffles wrote...

Whether you like or dislike shiala (for whatever reason), she definitely should come back, and not with some silly quest like "I need more medicines, get me some medicines bwaaaaaaah!".

I think we can all agree on that

[evmiller]

Ozzelll wrote...

I'm pretty sure Shiala will be some kind of fling(not a real romance).

I must disagree about Liara. I tink her voice actor is wonderful, altough I must admit im a bit biased because I fell in love with the character(and voice).

Agreed, I think Shiala just wants sex. Still, I'd be happy with just sharing a drink with her while she reveales someting important to Shep. Same with Gianni. Like to hook and catch up on things with her too. Shep will need all the help he can get and I can defiantly see him touching base with his contacts to see if they have something usefull for him. And in true Kirk, ahem, I mean Shep fashion, It'd have to be over drinks.

Modifié par evmiller, 27 mai 2011 - 08:54 .

[Emelligos]

Just let me get at that sweet, sweet Azure.

[jamesp81]

Eshaye wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Also to debunk the "no substance" argument.... She has the damn Prothean Cipher in her head. That in itself (among other things) is enough to make her a significant character, but whatever.

Shiala has two things going for her.  She is precisely one of two living people in the galaxy with the Cipher.  And she is the only, ONLY living person to have ever been indoctrinated by a Reaper, broke free of that indoctrination, and SURVIVED IT INTACT.  You want substance?  She could very well hold the key to countering the greatest and most dangerous of the Reapers' weapons: indoctrination.

There is enormous potential for her character should Bioware choose to develop her further.  I'd like to have her around as a nice reward for those of us who didn't blow her brains out on Feros.

I quite agree with this, it's not because she has had a minor role to play so far that it has to remain that way. And this way Shepard can channel his/her inner Captain Kirk and have a blue and green girlie on board...

I had not thought of that aspect.  But I do generally agree with channeling your inner Kirk.

Hell, when I was a kid I knew that when I grew up I wanted to be a starship captain with a crew of hot green ladies.  Unfortunately, the space program is underfunded and spends half its time studying earth and launching remote control cars at Mars, instead of developing practical interplanetary and then practical interstellar methods of propulsions.  Thus, the only thing I'll ever be captain of is a jon boat.

[jamesp81]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

The amount of potential she has rules out fling in my mind. Gianna is more of a fling character because she exists on the periphery, but Shiala is actually involved in the whole thing. Liara was labeled an expert on the Protheans, but she lacks all the knowledge that Shiala has yet was a full LI. The only other person to have all Prothean history and be able to understand it -- Shepard can't do that yet as we've seen. He/She needed Liara to help out and even then Liara was still confused. Also keep in mind that Shepard now understands Prothean. Who else can do that I wonder? It's definitely not Liara.

I'm sorry,  your just attributing to much to the character.  

Everything he mentioned is a canon fact.  There's no improper attributions being made here.  Shiala is one of only two people with the Prothean Cipher.  She is also the only survivor of Reaper indoctrination.  It's very possible that being enthralled by the Thorian was instrumental in her breaking way from reaper indoctrination.  The writers could easily expand this into a plot critical point.  And given how she's presented, I get the feeling they'd like to do just that.

Modifié par jamesp81, 27 mai 2011 - 08:55 .

[jamesp81]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

She's a secondary character built to simply deliver data to Shepherd, Data that Shepherd now has. As such, anything she knows about the Prothean's Shepherd knows. Truthfully though, it's not so much about that but the fact they

A) You desire her as a romance option and
You are attributing her to being virtuous and against the idea of casual sex. You're putting the Asari on a pedestal man.

Shiala is still unique.  The only survivor of Reaper indoctrination, possibly because of the Thorian.  No one, not even Shepard, can say that.

[Nashiktal]

Speaking of her breaking free of indoctrination... How did she break free from it? A matriarch was unable to break free from it, and shiala was around just as long as her. Did the Thorian have something to do with that?

Also if they are going to make the cipher a big deal with Shiala, they better damn well expand upon it with shep first.