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[Playest]

Because healing is so limited to your other mage companions if you run as a Warrior or Rogue Hawke is
it even viable to have a party without Anders on the higher difficulties?

Modifié par Playest, 27 mai 2011 - 08:43 .

[Ryzaki]

If you decide to roll mage and play SH yeah you can do healing as well (if not better) than Anders. Merrill can do as much DPS (or better) than Anders as well.

[mr_afk]

You don't even need to be a spirit healer if you don't get injured that much.
For my mage playthrough I was a BM/FM and got by without anders.

This is due to the way haste isn't so necessary for a mage party (as the haste bug makes it last next to nothing) but having heroic aura and a heal is still pretty useful (so you'll have to waste some of hawkes points in the creation tree if you don't have anders).

However, for a non-mage I would say that anders is almost necessary (unless bethany is around and even then anders is useful). You need the creation school for haste/heroic aura.


You can still play without haste but that's an exercise in masochism as haste is effectively close to a 50% increase in dps. Examples of this can be seen in solo nightmare runs. It's actually surprisingly fun.

Modifié par mr_afk, 27 mai 2011 - 09:09 .

[AreleX]

Provided that you can faceroll enemies hard enough, you don't need Anders. Pure damage will always beat support and defense (not the stat, rather high CON/SH tree) if you deal enough of it.

Here's a video of my Mage running Fenris' Act II personal quest with Merrill, Fenris, and Sebastian, no Anders. No Rock Armor because I don't fancy being caked in poo.

A Bitter Pill

[Wulfram]

I told Anders to leave during Act 2 in my Warrior game. Life Ward potions and Mythal's Favour grenades can do the spirit healer job for you.

[Sidney]

Yeah I've only used Anders in 1 of my playthroughs and even then his primary role is "Haster" not "Healer". Heal has such a long cooldown that other than the biggest of the big fights you won't really get to use it all that often.

[Sabotin]

Contrary to popular belief, chugging potions is an option. You get enough, even on nightmare.

[berelinde]

Sabotin wrote...

Contrary to popular belief, chugging potions is an option. You get enough, even on nightmare.

And you can make more.

I use Anders a lot because I like the character, but I don't die any more often when forced to leave him home.

[DW2511]

Money is hard to come by for elite item purchasing. Anders is cheaper than potions.

[Atmosfear3]

Heres hoping if they ever release a new DLC character it will be a mage/tank hybrid that can heal and take damage :x

[Siansonea]

The game will replenish your healing potions as fast as you use them as loot. It's always a good idea to tweak your party members' tactics so that they take healing potions if their health drops below a certain threshold (I use 25%). You don't really want to micromanage that during combat. Just doing that one thing makes a huge difference in combat (you should also place that particular line item near the top of the list for each character, so they do it as soon as the condition is met).

[Siansonea]

Also, playing as a Blood Mage with Grave Robber kind of makes Anders unnecessary for Hawke's own survival. And it's fun (Hemorrhage OWNS).

[Bfler]

You can edit the savegames and give your party members additional abilities. Add his abilities to your char (if you play as mage) or Merrill and you can leave him at home.

[Forst1999]

Maybe i just don't watch out enough for him, but if things go badly, Anders usually is the first to go down. So in the hard fights, i never got much out of his healing. The Warriors and Merrill survive because they have many hitpoints, the rogues have good defense and some nice tricks up their sleeves. In my opinion Anders is the one with the worst survivability.
When things go good and you keep him safe, you don't really need him. When things go badly he usually is gone and can't help you anyway. I'm not saying it is a bad thing to have him around (Haste, Heroic Aura), but having him with you as a healer is far from mandatory. Potions, Lifeward and Mythal's favor might be expensive, but are the far more secure way.

[jbblue05]

I usually kick Anders out of my party after Act 2 since he won't shut up about mages.

In Act 3 you're dishing out so much damage that having a healer is a luxury not a necessity like eralier in the game.

Just stock up on elfroot potions

[Cutlass Jack]

Sabotin wrote...

Contrary to popular belief, chugging potions is an option. You get enough, even on nightmare.

Yup items can do the job well enough. Especially with the crafting options. With creative use of debuffs and aggro control, you can do fine in most fights without a dedicated healer. Just requires you to pay attention a little more.

[DA Trap Star]

DW2511 wrote...

Money is hard to come by for elite item purchasing. Anders is cheaper than potions.

^Thiz

Spending tons of money on Elfroot potions just leaves you with less money later in the game so that you won't be able to buy any elite items.

[mr_afk]

Not to discredit what everyone is saying, but especially now that haste is working properly I would say that anders is almost necessary for any damage optimised party setup.

Haste is effectively a party-wide +50%dps and anders can maintain a constant haste via martyr. Even parties with mage hawke or bethany would benefit from his haste as haste stacks.

So I would say that anders isn't necessary for heals but his heroic aura (for non-mages) and haste makes him one of the most powerful companions out there and it would be rare to find an optimised party setup without anders. Ofcourse if you're not concerned about killing things the fastest etc. then non-anders parties are perfectly viable.

Before haste was fixed I didn't use haste for my mage-hawke and got through the game fine. Also, all those non-mage solo-runs wouldn't have haste and they seem to manage.


On the money side of things, I would say that without anders it's possible to get by without using many potions/having to buy elfroot potions. The only time I see potions/heals as necessary is after an assassin stabs you. If you manage to avoid that/crowd control and kill all the enemies, your party won't be getting damaged enough to require healing/potions. It takes a while to get to that stage, but it's certainly possible with a forcemage anyway.

[Sabotin]

Well yes, haste (and aura, to an extent) is a staple for any party. But most people (as well as OP) automatically connect Anders to healing, I think a lot even use him in constant Panacea. So, trying a bit to dispel the notions about a dedicated healer being required. I put him in every party anyway because of his skills.

[rumination888]

You can say the same thing about Merril. Her debuffs and CC are invaluable to a party. You can see it in all the top nightmare vids. There's always atleast 2 mages in the party, (and none of them utilize Anders as a healbot)

The problem is that regular warrior/rogue skill trees are too weak, but their specs are too strong. Mages are the opposite - weak specs, strong regular trees. This means mage companions are simply better than other companions.

[AreleX]

can you SUCCEED without Anders? definitely

will you EXCEL without anders? no, you will not, is the short and narrow of it

edit: rumination hit it right on the money

Modifié par AreleX, 02 juin 2011 - 07:17 .

[ezrafetch]

Now that Haste is properly working, it's hard to not run Anders regardless of how much hate one has for him (and believe me, I hate his slimy face and slimy guts with a passion). Double Haste is just too pro. I'm going to roll an Elemental SH (YES I'M A SH HOMER DEAL WITH IT) and have Double Haste-y goodness. It's going to be awesome.

edit: Obligatory mope about how Group Heal + Unity got nerfed an extra 10%.  Not that 10% makes or breaks encounters, but the underrated spec just got de-rated even more.  And then the regen got super-nerfed for Hawke.  Hard times have befallen us (or is it just me at this point?) Spirit Healers, alas... :(:(

Modifié par ezrafetch, 02 juin 2011 - 08:19 .

[AreleX]

i'm glad you are too dignified to join in the SH baww properly

though you are but a lowly spirit healer, i still love you

anders has survived every single playthrough due to metagaming, same with isabela. i HATE it

[Cutlass Jack]

If things die and you don't Haste is far from essential. Or any other ability for that matter.

[Ryzaki]

Indeed Haste was worthless on my templar/reaver playthrough (I had a party of my 2Hd T/R with Merrill, Anders and Fenris). Lasted like six seconds. But I still managed to slaughter everything quick enough.