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[ExaltedReign]

1. Almost every Trailer has Mage Hawke with the staff of Parthalan.
2. Pretty much everyone agrees that mage is the most powerful class. (based on the forums)
3. It seems that most people like mages better (based on the forums)

So, is Mage the class?

IMO, Mages seem to special. I like the kind of character that built up his skill, not born with it. Then theres the whole prosecution/just want to be free thing. They're like the Homosexuals of Thedas. They're different, most everyone doesn't like them, most everyone doesn't understand them, and they have great power (Disregard that, I was being stupid)

*SPOILER* It felt more "Emotional" when bethany was sent to the circle, more so than when Carver joined the templars.*END SPOILER*

So, in your opinion, is mage the class that puts all other classes to shame?

Modifié par ExaltedReign, 27 mai 2011 - 12:49 .

[Xilizhra]

Why did you capitalize "homosexual?" We're not a superhero team, although I admit that that would be totally awesome.

Anyway, in terms of story, and in my opinion, yes. On the other hand, you have to put up with Carver, and you can come up with cool story things to do with a nonmage Hawke.

[nranola]

For DA2, mage seems like the way to go given the situation in Kirkwall. I much prefer rogues, though.

[mr_afk]

nope. elemental warrior ftw. hahaha


Also, since when does everyone agree mages are the most powerful class? haha from my understanding it was only a recent event where people acknowledged that mages weren't 'gimped' etc. as they no longer have their truly overpowered status like in Origins.

And since when do most people prefer mages? Mages are the most useful due to the wide range of practical things they can do - e.g. buff (haste), heal, and debuff. They also have some of the best destealthing/aoe attacks.

However, we already have two-three mage companions. So having a mage-hawke isn't really that necessary to receive the aforementioned bonuses.

That is why imo, rogue and warrior-hawkes, are better as despite however well you build your companions, hawke is going to be the best of the class. And you might as well have a more damage focused class for your 'best' character - and warrior (elemental) has the best aoe damage and rogue has the best spike damage.

That's not to say that mage hawkes can't dish out boat loads of damage (they can), it's just that their damage dealing is largely dependent on spells - and with the longer cooldowns it is hard to dish out continuous damage like a rogue and warrior can.


However, story-wise I somewhat prefer it as a mage hawke. It makes you more involved - rather than trying to help your sister escape the templars you're trying to escape them yourself - rather than determining the fate of people you may feel sympathetic towards you're determining the fate of people like you.

Modifié par mr_afk, 27 mai 2011 - 11:52 .

[bleetman]

Every trailer also features a male Hawke. I don't put much stock in what the canon character is supposed to be. I enjoy rogues, have no desire to play anything else, and that's all that matters to me.

[Chiramu]

I think the default Hawke from the trailer is a mage, and possibly a blood mage since his eyes glowed red XD.

If this is true then the default sibling is Carver ! YAY! Bethany is so boring.

[ExaltedReign]

Mash Mashington wrote...

ExaltedReign wrote...
...They're like the Homosexuals of Thedas...

err, i stopped taking post seriously right at this point

Yeah, I kind of regret that. I just couldn't find a more suitable analogy.
Emos? Goths? Firefighters? Germans?

I don't know, its 4am here an I haven't been to sleep. My brains not in the best condition.

[ExaltedReign]

Mash Mashington wrote...


And god forbid i pay attention to anything they show it trailers (Sacred Ashes. Never forget)

If only games were as awesome as their trailers...

[bleetman]

Cripes, I'm glad Origins was nothing like its trailer. The thing was full of backflipping, anime-style jumping nonsense whilst Fantasy Jason Statham growled orders.

Modifié par bleetman, 27 mai 2011 - 01:00 .

[Abispa]

I had a lot of fun PLAYING as a mage, even though the mage story-line MAKES NO SENSE. And, sadly, while the Arishock duel in the trailer was NOTHING like the real thing, I did less running around as a mage than I did as a rogue or a warrior (well, maybe not the sword and shield warrior).

But one thing that intrigued me about the trailer, but was never in the game, was mage melee combat. I think the mage SHOULD have been able to kick butt with a staff, and that would have helped with two storyline complaints.

One, it would have allowed Hawke to fight around guards and Templars without using OVERT magical spells (though some defensive spells could be used without being noticed by guards -- Templars are supposed to be able to sense magic, though). Bioware could even had a setting that disables your overt spells when you're trying to be undercover

And two, non-warrior NPCs could have been walking around with staffs for basic self defense, and thus not everyone with a staff would be a mage. Forget lyrium-induced magic sensitivity, in DA2 Templars should just have had a rule that says "kill anyone with a stick."

EDITED for clarity. Maybe.

Modifié par Abispa, 27 mai 2011 - 02:31 .

[TheBlackBaron]

Hell no. I think you'll notice that by and large, these forums are not a good indicator of what most people think is the "best". To use ME2 as an example, you might draw the conclusion that a FemShep Vanguard or Adept (that probably romanced Liara) is the most common gender/class combo, when Bioware's telemetry suggests a an MShep Soldier is the most common (although how much of of that is just because it's the default I can't say).

It might be different for DA. But I would wager that rogues are the most popular class, especially after the combat revamp. I myself prefer warriors.

Also, mages get Carver. Seriously, **** Carver. Do not confuse Bethany's lack of combative attitude or ****iness with a lack of personality, like some people.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 27 mai 2011 - 03:11 .

[Chugster]

i dont think any class has an advantage...non-SH mages seem to be real glass-cannons...which i like, but still they can be overwhelmed.

you could go full SH and be invulnerable...but i you need to enjoy staff auto attacks alot

Im currently playing a mage and it certianly feels the most powerful...as long as the mobs are ignoring you

[ezrafetch]

bleetman wrote...
whilst Fantasy Jason Statham growled orders.

Why wasn't Origins like that? That is the better question.

Chugster wrote...

you could go full SH and be invulnerable...but i you need to enjoy staff auto attacks alot

The notion that SH is "auto-attack only" like AW in DA:O is patently false.  SH Mages don't sacrifice a lot of DPS for extra versatility and survivability.  You're not supposed to stay in Healing Aura all the time, you know.  They can nuke just as well as the rest of them.

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But I like Mages the best in DA2.  Something about dropping Firestorms and throwing Cones of Cold is awesome.  It's more gratifying in DA2 to mage than it is in DA:O, though I'm not sure why...

Though I don't think I ever truly got a good mage playthrough in in DA:O.  Guess I know what I'm doing this summer...

Modifié par ezrafetch, 27 mai 2011 - 05:55 .

[jlb524]

I don't use Healing Aura all that much, only when really needed or my 'kill stuff' spells are in cooldown.

Gameplay-wise, the mage is the best for me. I prefer SH/BM and the feeling that I'm the team's quarterback. I also prefer mage storywise, given both your families' strong connections to magic, but do understand some of the frustrations with what is shown in game (I head-canon a lot more into it anyway).

[Sidney]

I like the mages because you need to micromanage them more than the other classes. I can play my PC as a mage and script out for 95% of all fights what the other party members do. Conjtrollimg my character makes me feel a lot closer to that character.

[Psychopathic Pug]

It certainty feels more natural. I mean the whole game is focused around mages plot-wise.

[berelinde]

All classes work about equally well in the overall plot, although some players may find it easier to become invested in the story while playing one class versus another. I find that I find the game events more relevent while playing as a mage, but I have read posts by others who believe the reverse is true.

As for gameplay and power balance, I personally find the game easiest while playing DW rogue Hawke and hardest while playing WS warrior Hawke. Damager mage Hawke is a close second to rogue in terms of ease of play, at least for me. YMMV.

[Ryzaki]

I felt the most natural playing a warrior.

The way nearly everyone ignores Mage Hawke in the beginning is a deal breaker.

[mesmerizedish]

Mage is the NOT class. Everything just works so much better with Bethany as the family mage.

[Lenimph]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Mage is the NOT class. Everything just works so much better with Bethany as the family mage.

QFT 
Mage Hawke = No Bethany = FAIL
 

[berelinde]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Mage is the NOT class. Everything just works so much better with Bethany as the family mage.

Sorry, Ish, but I'm a Carver fan. Bethany's alright, but bratty younger brother FTW! Don't get me wrong, I do like how Bethany laughs at all your jokes, no matter how terrible they are, but I like the sibling rivalry dynamic.

<spoilers>

When Carver puts his hangups and grievances aside, and even his Grey Warden/templar responsibilities, to help his sibling at the end, it feels so genuine.

</spoilers>

That's what family is all about. When you need them, they're there, no matter what.

[Tommy6860]

Well, if playing DA2, mage is the class for me. In fact, if I could use all mages, I would.

[Xilizhra]

Lenimph wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Mage is the NOT class. Everything just works so much better with Bethany as the family mage.

QFT 
Mage Hawke = No Bethany = FAIL
 

I just wish there could be two family mages.