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[Chugster]

Ok, ive done a few runs, mostly with an all girl crew (merril modded to SH) and im now doing an all guy run, with Fenris (sword n board), Seb and Anders....and they are all useless in big fights compared to therir female versions

they just dont seem to follow thier tactics, the amount of times ive watched Seb die without evading, B2Bing or taking a pot...flipping idiots

Fenris cant hold aggro (same tactics as Aveline)
Seb cant DPS (no issues with Varric)
Anders cant heal himself , de-aggro himself, cant keep the group healed and is always dieing

On my all girl run the only person i had to keep an eye on was Izzy, everyone else did their jobs fine, 3 times ive tried to get Xeckenbeck (sp) on hard and normal but these 3 just cant do it

So my question is...am i imagining it or are the the tall guys bloody useless?

Modifié par Chugster, 27 mai 2011 - 01:39 .

[TheAwesomologist]

You may be imagining it, but I've certainly noticed issues with male companions:
Fenris/Carver: I think the problem is how you set up Scythe in your tactics as they'll leave a BBEG to chase after mooks sometimes.
Anders: My problem with Anders is him, less than his tactics. But Haste is a beautiful spell and Heroic Aura is really handy.
Sebastian: He's redundant and no matter how well you set up his tactics he'll never use his righteous chain properly.

Isabella though almost always dies whenever I use her before I get late into Act 2 and she's leveled up enough. Like Sebastian she never seems to use her chain combo right.

[RangerSG]

TheAwesomologist wrote...

You may be imagining it, but I've certainly noticed issues with male companions:
Fenris/Carver: I think the problem is how you set up Scythe in your tactics as they'll leave a BBEG to chase after mooks sometimes.
Anders: My problem with Anders is him, less than his tactics. But Haste is a beautiful spell and Heroic Aura is really handy.
Sebastian: He's redundant and no matter how well you set up his tactics he'll never use his righteous chain properly.

Isabella though almost always dies whenever I use her before I get late into Act 2 and she's leveled up enough. Like Sebastian she never seems to use her chain combo right.

I don't have a problem with Anders' tactics. Generally if he's not healing, it's because he's being chased and can't get spells off period. And his buffs are nice. 

But Fenris/Carver are useless, no matter what I do. That said, Varric always has a place in the party. I don't think I could make an archer to match him.

[Chugster]

well i did manage to complete Xeben****, using the pull method, but still lost anders killing one of the remaining mobs.

although im starting to think it is more the ignoring of set tactics rather than the guys themselves. (watching Seb die without him doing anything)..but i just didnt seem to notice this lack of behaviour as much with the ladies

[hoorayforicecream]

The guys need different builds and tactics than the ladies. Aveline is a huge damage sponge, and Fenris can't hope to match her in terms of threat gen or general tanking ability. He's not meant to though; Fenris is all about killing lots of dudes really fast. You don't need him tanking a BBEG, he's actually much better clearing the floor of mooks. Anders is a decent healer, but he does a really good job of being a nuker. If you go with an elementalist spec Anders with Vengeance buff activated and combine it with Fenris, you can slaughter huge numbers of enemies very quickly.

Sebastian is a little bit different than Varric too. You need to stack the attack speed with Seb as high as you can, and get him a bow that deals non-physical damage. Once he gets that, he becomes a monster. If you need to kill a BBEG, his wounding arrow is insanely good.

The ladies are more balanced overall. The guys are about huffing, puffing and blowing the door down really quickly. They have a much more heavy AE damage emphasis.

[ipgd]

If you give them crappy builds and tactics, then yeah, they're going to be crappy.

Anders, at least, is practically invincible and self-sufficient with proper tactics.

[TheAwesomologist]

RangerSG wrote...

But Fenris/Carver are useless, no matter what I do. That said, Varric always has a place in the party. I don't think I could make an archer to match him.

It's not that they're useless its that they're unreliable (which fits if you think about it from an RP perspective). One moment they're pounding of some big guy, then he's off chassing one hit wonders, then he's hanging out by Merrill responding to enemies I've always taken care of (Merrill can pretty much take care of her self past lvl 17 or so). I noticed that when I turn off Scythe in their tactics they play just like Aveline but with less damage resistance.

Also I'm currently playing an Archer in the "worst possible play thru". Once Act 2 rolls around and if you have the DLC rogue set you'll find you can fill in for Varric just fine. The game however is much more boring without him in the party just for the lack of quips and banter.

EDIT: btw Chugster has the best forum Avatar, although I recall it being saucier... Well second best to the guy with dancing Ron Swanson.

Modifié par TheAwesomologist, 27 mai 2011 - 08:07 .

[Chugster]

well i gave Fenris the same tank build and tactics that i usually give aveline and he still lets the Healer die...unlike Aveline

I dont see why Fenris is different from Aveline with the same talents...and i did make a thread about giving Anders the SH tree and people told me not too...im starting to think that was a mistake

Mostly, they just dont seem to use the tactics i give them, Sebastian never seems to use his evade/de-aggro skills...they just seem really bad

[Chugster]

TheAwesomologist wrote...

EDIT: btw Chugster has the best forum Avatar, although I recall it being saucier... Well second best to the guy with dancing Ron Swanson.

someone complained, so i had to put up a tamer version

[ipgd]

Chugster wrote...

well i gave Fenris the same tank build and tactics that i usually give aveline and he still lets the Healer die...unlike Aveline

Fenris is not Aveline. Given that he is not Aveline, he will not operate optimally with her tactics.

Modifié par ipgd, 27 mai 2011 - 08:20 .

[Sidney]

Fenris is ridiculously useful. His lyrium ghost power gives him the survivability of a S&S person but with the hitting power of a 2HW. He rocks.

Varric's ranged powers are outstanding. The Bianca powers with the sustained and passive make him a ranged death dealing machine.

Sebastian is redundant with Varric but, again, as a ranged figure he's a monster.

Anders is also really useful. All mages are the same basically because for me both Anders and Merril's personal trees stink - although Anders has a decent passive.

Carver OTOH is useless because he's a worse version of Fenris.

[ipgd]

Sidney wrote...

Anders is also really useful. All mages are the same basically because for me both Anders and Merril's personal trees stink - although Anders has a decent passive.

Anders and Merrill both have incredible personal trees. Anders's Martyr ability reduces the cooldowns on all of his abilities each time it's used (in addition to restoring his mana, which is also incredibly useful on its own), and it is spammable, which means with proper tactics he can effectively halve the cooldowns of his heal, group heal and ressurect (the latter two which also come from his personal tree). It also allows for basically 100% uptime on Haste, and that alone makes him easily the best performance enhancer in the group. Vengeance also gives very strong damage passives.

Merrill's tree is also great; her blood magic ability allows you to build her stats straight magic/con, increasing her survivability immensely in comparison to a willpower-locked unmodded PC mage. The player can reserve her entire mana pool entirely with passives with no drawback. With enough +blood magic items, casting spells barely dents her health and is more than covered by Wrath of the Elvhen's passive healing. Wounds of the Past is also a very strong area ability with no friendly fire. Merrill is a truck.

All of the companions can be good if you build them properly. If you build them badly, they will be bad.

[Chiramu]

Fenris can tank well if you leave him on Scrapper. His personal tree has some very good tanking talents.

Seriously don't give him a one handed sword and shield >.>...

[Chugster]

Chiramu wrote...

Fenris can tank well if you leave him on Scrapper. His personal tree has some very good tanking talents.

Seriously don't give him a one handed sword and shield >.>...

well im running an all guy group with this run...and i need a tank (Hawke is a mage)

[Apathy1989]

Chugster wrote...

well im running an all guy group with this run...and i need a tank (Hawke is a mage)

Put some con in everyone, then have no tank. Fenris will draw alot of aggro from all the damage he does, but setting up an all male group gank squad really works if you have some debilitating abilities aswell.

Screw aggro and tanking, just throw down crowd control and unleash damage.

[ipgd]

Chugster wrote...

Chiramu wrote...

Fenris can tank well if you leave him on Scrapper. His personal tree has some very good tanking talents.

Seriously don't give him a one handed sword and shield >.>...

well im running an all guy group with this run...and i need a tank (Hawke is a mage)

Fenris can be a fine tank, as can any 2H warrior. His trees are not build around sword and shield so it is sub-par for him.

Here, these work adequately:

http://biowarefans.c...ck0hwSYkPcMHJKO
http://i.imgur.com/E1rU7.png

http://biowarefans.c...0dUCvgJ1m0XtyIz (or pick up Arcane Shield if you want, I typically give it to Merrill)
http://i.imgur.com/bVbFc.png Manually activate Elemental Weapons for tactics space.

Varric or Seb both work with tactics similar to this:
http://i.imgur.com/MkQPa.png

Enable the faded out tactics if you're not playing on Nightmare, micro those abilities if you are. Anders and Varric/Seb are fire and forget with those tactics, Fenris still requires controlling him towards the start of the encounter and positioning him around chokepoints.

[Chugster]

ok, ill make Fenris a 2H again and try your builds/tactics

[Chiramu]

Chugster wrote...

Chiramu wrote...

Fenris can tank well if you leave him on Scrapper. His personal tree has some very good tanking talents.

Seriously don't give him a one handed sword and shield >.>...

well im running an all guy group with this run...and i need a tank (Hawke is a mage)

I run with all male groups all the time. Fenris can tank VERY well as a DPS.

[Masako52]

Pop Fenris with Lyrium Ghost and he can tank just fine. Anders is also my mage of choice just because of healing. Actually, it's Varric I don't really like using.

That begs the question, though, if you had to have a team of only females or only males in DA2, which would you do? Tactically, not with favorites in mind.

I tend to use everybody but if I had to pick, it would be the girls just because of Aveline.

[Chugster]

@Ipgd

those build/tactics worked great...dont suppose you happen to have some for Aveline and Isabela? I know i said i was happy with them, but they could be so much better with good builds

Oh and how would you build a companion Spirit Healer (using mods to give Merril the skills)? And would Fenris' build (minus his personal tree) work for Aveline as a 2H'er?

Modifié par Chugster, 30 mai 2011 - 01:26 .

[highcastle]

Chugster wrote...

So my question is...am i imagining it or are the the tall guys bloody useless?

You're imagining it. 

Your first mistake is modding Fenris to sword-and-board. Especially while the warrior skills haven't yet been nerfed by the upcoming patch. He's a monster at staggering enemies with close to every hit when he's a two-hander. Coupled with a mage who knows Chain Lightning, Fist of the Maker, Crushing Prison, etc., it's like an insta-death fest. Anders is fantastic as a healer and buffer. Plus, Glyph of Paralysis can be used even in Panacea, and it's a great immbolizer when things get tight. Don't keep in Panacea all the time and you have a pinch-hitter damage dealer, too. And Seb's equally effective at ranged combat as Varric. He doesn't get the Bianca's Song benefits, but he's still a pretty mean machine specced right.

[llandwynwyn]

Funny, I only use the boys.
Fenris/Carver: they are a better than Aveline, for me anyway.
Anders: great healer/supporter. Martyr allow him to be used as a BM, kinda, if you trade will for con. You just need to keep an eye on him and since I rarely use tactics, because I like to control everything, it worked great for me.

[Chugster]

well, Fenris is working out great, Anders is still a huge idiot who gets himself killed...just not so frequently...he never uses Mindblast when he really needs to...even though its tactic No1...dummy

Modifié par Chugster, 31 mai 2011 - 06:35 .