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[TonyTheBossDanza123]

 So Since I was one of the many who waited for reviews to buy DA2, and consequently DIDN'T buy DA2, I'm going to address this here. I'm sure it's been said in the official thread, but as someone who loved DAO with a passion, one of the few games this generation I've played through multiple times: Too Little, Too Late.

For months, people on the forums voiced complaints, warned Bioware about the direction they were taking DA2. Quite bluntly, we were told to shove it. We got posts like Gaider's "Stages of A Dragon Age Fan", comparing our fear and anger to that of the stages of Grief. We got other posts saying that "Since we didn't play it yet, we couldn't judge".

Even more so, we got posts insisting that this game was in development long before DAO was released, and that it was NOT EA pushing Bioware to rush out a sequel to work with the whole "New Entry Each Year" that EA and Activision follow.

Then the game came out. With critic reviews that average a near 10 points below the original , and user reviews that are drastically lower, our fears were confirmed. The final nail in the coffin came from inside Bioware itself, confirming that our greatest fear was realized: DA2 was rushed out at the beck and call of EA. 

To end this ramble, my point is this: When you start releasing info about future games, don't look down your nose at your forum goers. Don't tell them that since they haven't played the game, their critiques are unwarranted. Don't post charts and insist that people are overreacting.

[MonkeyLungs]

I would say don't do a REBOOT to a widely loved series in game 2 during the same console generation (ie a very short time) when the series only needed a REFINEMENT.

[Bad Dos]

I find it fitting that he posted in a forum that you can't post in unless you bought DA2.

My view is quite simple. If you play DA1 and then try out DA2 (I did the demo, some may have purchased) then you most likely would think another company made the sequel. It was so different I just couldn't get into it and cancelled my preorder.

[Teredan]

Everything will stand or fall with DA3, that said I kind of appreciate Laidlaws post although in my opinion it came 1 month to slow.

Modifié par Teredan, 27 mai 2011 - 03:16 .

[LPPrince]

Yeah, I think if a reboot was gonna happen, it should've happened 4-5 games into the series, not immediately after the first game which is the one everyone's loving the series for.

Modifié par LPPrince, 27 mai 2011 - 03:17 .

[v_ware]

This is soooooooooo getting locked.

"No constructive topic"

"Confirmation bias bla bla blaah"

"Please post your concerns in the original thread"

"Spam"

WELL BITE ME.

Having said that, I agree with the OP.

[DownyTif]

Nice post OP. I agree!

[KenKenpachi]

Dissargee rather liked DA:2 but whatever.

[neppakyo]

I agree OP. I was one of the suckers who bought DA2 because of DAO. Didn't read the forums, didn't play the demo.

Now the most usefulness the DA2 disc gets is being used as a coaster. Keeps my drinks from staining the desk.

[Guitar-Hero]

To be fair the reaction that was given was unconstructive and hyperbolic at best, now that the game warrented caution i agree with bur things like "Bioware is dead to me" and "You have ruined RPG's" is not in any way within reason, that David Gaider responded unprofessionally is regrettable, but i think it worse to ignore the problem this game had, or keeping fans in the dark as to were this franchise is going.

Modifié par Steffen, 27 mai 2011 - 03:39 .

[John Epler]

v_ware wrote...

This is soooooooooo getting locked.

"No constructive topic"

"Confirmation bias bla bla blaah"

"Please post your concerns in the original thread"

"Spam"

WELL BITE ME.

Having said that, I agree with the OP.

Yes, tell the mods 'BITE ME'. That's both constructive and civil.

Not locking this thread. I see nothing wrong with giving people in this forum a place to discuss Mike's post.

[Brockololly]

Yup, the OP is right on.

Its all nice for the devs to issue reassurances that they're listening and reacting to the feedback, but the proof is in the product they'll put out. Reassurances and so forth were made prior to DA2 and look how that turned out. And if DA2 is their version of reacting to the feedback of Origins and iterating on that....well, ugh. I have little to no hope and/or faith this franchise isn't just dying a slow death.

[slimgrin]

Look on the bright side. I'm pretty sure they've gotten the message now. Loud and clear.

[Spacekungfuman]

I love DA:O, and think it is by far the best thing Bioware has put out since BG2.  I am one of the people who did not buy DA2 because of the dialog wheel (once in ME was enough).  Why can't we have two franchises, instead of ME and ME with elves?

[LPPrince]

Brockololly wrote...

Yup, the OP is right on.

Its all nice for the devs to issue reassurances that they're listening and reacting to the feedback, but the proof is in the product they'll put out. Reassurances and so forth were made prior to DA2 and look how that turned out. And if DA2 is their version of reacting to the feedback of Origins and iterating on that....well, ugh. I have little to no hope and/or faith this franchise isn't just dying a slow death.

In other words,

Talk is just that. Talk.

In the end of the day, the product that we purchase/don't purchase is what matters.

DAO was arguably an amazing game. Personally, I loved it.

But just as he said, if DA2 is the result of Bioware looking at DAO and its criticisms, then this series will die quickly.

Bioware lately has had the trend of confusing refinement with rebooting.

Instead of modifying and tweaking, they remove.

As my stepbrother puts it, "For every step forward, Bioware's been taking two steps back."

It makes me sad.

[LPPrince]

slimgrin wrote...

Look on the bright side. I'm pretty sure they've gotten the message now. Loud and clear.

I won't be sure of that until the day I get an invite to Bioware HQ and walk into the offices with a megaphone screaming, "DRAGON AGE 2 WAS WORSE THAN DRAGON AGE ORIGINS AND THIS IS WHY-

*insert screaming into a megaphone all the problems I had with DA2 as well as what made DAO awesome*

AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO FIX IT OR I SWEAR TO GOD I'LL START SINGING FRIDAY AND REBECCA BLACK YOU OUT!"

Then we can mostly be happy since DA3 will be more of a DAO2 than anything.

Modifié par LPPrince, 27 mai 2011 - 03:46 .

[Elanareon]

MonkeyLungs wrote...

I would say don't do a REBOOT to a widely loved series in game 2 during the same console generation (ie a very short time) when the series only needed a REFINEMENT.

thiiiihhhiiiiiiiiiiiis!!!

[syllogi]

While I appreciate the fact that Mike has always been gracious and kind when addressing the fans on this forum, his post didn't reassure me at all that any future DA titles will be anything I am interested in purchasing. We still haven't heard a word about releasing the updated toolset, which is the only reason I would have for reinstalling DA2 on my computer. Pics of upcoming DLC might be nice for some people, but for many of us, it's not going to change a thing about the main game, and it's not going to create good will when it was so carelessly damaged.

I still don't see any indication that Mike Laidlaw is proud of DA:O or wanted to make a sequel to DA:O. If others enjoy DA2 for what it is and want to continue buying products related to it, good for them, but for me, I've tapped out and will be waiting for DA3 reviews.

[Bmeszaros]

I've said a few times that I felt misled by the Developer Diaries after I played the game. I'm sure i'm not the only one that felt like that.

[El Mito]

Right on OP

[LPPrince]

I know that I felt suckered into buying DA2 hoping I'd feel the same way about it that I felt about DAO and being hugely disappointed once the hype died down.

[abaris]

Spacekungfuman wrote...

I love DA:O, and think it is by far the best thing Bioware has put out since BG2.  I am one of the people who did not buy DA2 because of the dialog wheel (once in ME was enough).  Why can't we have two franchises, instead of ME and ME with elves?

The dialogue wheel is the least of my problems. I didn't buy it either, because the new combat system apalled me right from the start.

The game as it is, is obviously Laidlaw's vision. And he said repeatedly, they won't turn back to companion customisation, less goofy combat and companion interaction. For me that's enough to not looking forward and not expacting anything from a possible third instalment. They might poilish what there is, but what there is, goes totally against my grain. No polish can change that.

[Silverfox4]

Someone posted that DA3 will define the life or death of the DA series. I greatly agree with this. I know it will effect my purchases of future Bioware games. Who knows, maybe Bioware is tired of the DA franchise.

I give props on a professional post from Laidlaw.

[Deathwurm]

I'll simply say as someone who hasn't played DA2 yet because I simply can't afford it right now, not because of anyone's opinion of it:
How can anyone honestly say they have made a valid critique of the Game if they haven't played it?
Folks Post saying that they enjoyed their experience and are overwhelmed with Posts about how stupid they are and yet people who haven't played it rake it over the coals and expect to be Validated?
That simply doesn't make any sense.
I'll reserve any judgement on it until AFTER I have played it.

[ItsTheTruth]

After all this time, they still haven't explained what was so bad about DA: O that they needed to change everything* for the sequel.

(* especially the great tactical combat of DA: O, for PC players)

Modifié par ItsTheTruth, 27 mai 2011 - 03:57 .