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[inkjay]

I love this guy that says: "Your opinion doesn't matter to me" then writes 200 lines of why it doesn't.

These are discussion forums, if you have nothing to discuss, go play the game then. Of course, you do have something to discuss, so do it instead of hiding behind this holier than thou attitude. LOL

[Eski.Moe]

Ottemis wrote...

Well that's the point isn't it, there's a group on one side of the fence and another on the other.
There's no right or wrong between people's opinions.
It's a shame there's not easily something that would guarantee to make 'both groups' happy.
Hence, you can't win them all.

That's the thing though, they already had the people on one side of the fence pretty happy and content however they saw that on the other side there was an entirely different crowd so changes were made to help draw them in. End result? They don't gain anyone on the other side of the fence and lose quite a portion of people that they already had on their side from the outset.

[oldmansavage]

inkjay wrote...

I love this guy that says: "Your opinion doesn't matter to me" then writes 200 lines of why it doesn't.

These are discussion forums, if you have nothing to discuss, go play the game then. Of course, you do have something to discuss, so do it instead of hiding behind this holier than thou attitude. LOL

Haha, was laughing at that myself.

[Ottemis]

General Malor wrote...
1.) You couldn't possibly do any better. (If you could you would be working with some company already)

2.) I enjoyed the game so you're all wrong. (What!? He just turned the whole "I think it's bad so it must be bad for everyone" argument against me!)

qft

[Dragoonlordz]

I dislike when people say well it's your fault for not reading every single post, interview and expo as to why you felt let down... I'm sorry but a lot of us only skim over anything said about a future title to avoid spoilers in the title we will end up purchasing and a lot of that aspect of buying on release day comes with faith that if it is a sequel that it will follow the prequel. To say it's the customers fault for not reading everything is annoying to say the least.If your going to radically change a sequel I would rather you use that radical new direction on a new IP personally. Imho it was simply change for the sake of change.

[abaris]

Eski.Moe wrote...

That's the thing though, they already had the people on one side of the
fence pretty happy and content however they saw that on the other side
there was an entirely different crowd so changes were made to help draw
them in. End result? They don't gain anyone on the other side of the
fence and lose quite a portion of people that they already had on their
side from the outset. 

Yes, because its a hybrid. It
doesn't go all the way and to be a shooter with swords and fireballs and
it lost the complexity and seriousness for being enticing to the old
crowd.

Trying to please all around never worked out. At least I would be hard pressed to find any example.

Modifié par abaris, 27 mai 2011 - 07:40 .

[Ottemis]

Eski.Moe wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

Well that's the point isn't it, there's a group on one side of the fence and another on the other.
There's no right or wrong between people's opinions.
It's a shame there's not easily something that would guarantee to make 'both groups' happy.
Hence, you can't win them all.

That's the thing though, they already had the people on one side of the fence pretty happy and content however they saw that on the other side there was an entirely different crowd so changes were made to help draw them in. End result? They don't gain anyone on the other side of the fence and lose quite a portion of people that they already had on their side from the outset.

Point of some being 'allergic' to change (or rather deviation from the "classic" genre) while some aren't. Plus they have ME2, I would class that as a succesfull hybrid, it's from the same studio.
Whatever you choose to want to do, someone ends up being uphappy REGARDLESS.
Also as said, DA2 would never have been a proper salute to Origins with the time it got IMHO.
Having kept it closer (ifnot MUCH closer) to Origins didn't mean automatic win or a bigger happier crowd and in the end the only thing you can ever anticipate in bringing out a game is that there's going to be happy and unhappy people. Period.

Imho the only thing you can ever do right is to do what you do with conviction.
DA2 had flaws, that was a crying shame for a game with great potential. Still, I think it's an awesome game, ifnot thinking it could have been so much better. Hybrid yay, bring it!

Modifié par Ottemis, 27 mai 2011 - 07:51 .

[axl99]

Instead of laughing why don't some of you make a rebuttal to Scimal's post? Y'know. Discussing.

I got one word for you guys. Semantics.

Modifié par axl99, 27 mai 2011 - 07:42 .

[Zjarcal]

Monica83 wrote...
Opinions Opinions Opinions.. not this time...

It's good to see you hold the universal truth, that way we now know to not bother arguing with you.

[LPPrince]

axl99 wrote...

Irony much?

You noticed? 

I love these forums.

[axl99]

Yes! Love! Let's go spread it around like a veneral disease!

[TheConfidenceMan]

Sorry Laidlaw, but it's too little, too late. Nothing less than an acknowledgement that you screwed up with DA2 and that you'll be going back to Origins as a baseline for Dragon Age 3 will suffice.

[Bio-Age]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Autolycus wrote...

Funny then how you waxed lyrical about origins then Rinpoche....

As for the appeal of a throwback...I see you're still trying to convince yourself that Origins was not the more popular game...

Keep dreaming bro, must be nice in that little place where you are.

Like I said, nostalgia.  Once you get over that, it's easy to see how dull DAO was.  That's why no one makes games like it anymore... and that's why it was so popular.  Nostalgia.  

DA2 was dull, tedious, and over recycled. Don't mistaken nostalgia for dejavu. 

[AlanC9]

Monica83 wrote...

Hardcore Rpg lovers and people that don't like rpg don't have nothing in common.. If you make an hybrid for two opposite the result will be always disappointing on both sides..

So the whole population can be split up into Hardcore RPG lovers and people that don't like RPGs at all?

[inkjay]

Ottemis wrote...

General Malor wrote...
1.) You couldn't possibly do any better. (If you could you would be working with some company already)

2.) I enjoyed the game so you're all wrong. (What!? He just turned the whole "I think it's bad so it must be bad for everyone" argument against me!)

qft

So basically your opinion is, if you can't do a better game than Bioware you shouldn't criticize them? LOL indeed.

[the_one_54321]

I think what he should be apologizing for is insisting on making a game that a significant portion of the original fans just didn't want, and told him profusely that they did not want.

He should also be apologizing for making certain promises like "there will be a tactical camera" that were never delivered on.

[ItsTheTruth]

Ottemis wrote...

Well that's the point isn't it, there's a group on one side of the fence and another on the other.
There's no right or wrong between people's opinions.

But a LOT more people think DA2 sucks.

http://www.metacriti...ii/user-reviews

Don't be in denial: the game sucked, that is why people hate it.

It is as if ****** Sapiens (DAO) evolved into a species of one-legged blind monkeys (DA2).

Modifié par ItsTheTruth, 27 mai 2011 - 07:52 .

[AlanC9]

the_one_54321 wrote...

I think what he should be apologizing for is insisting on making a game that a significant portion of the original fans just didn't want, and told him profusely that they did not want.  

I don't see why he has to apologize for that. Just honestly telling you folks that they're not interested you anymore would do, wouldn't it.?

[LiquidGrape]

TheConfidenceMan wrote...

Sorry Laidlaw, but it's too little, too late. Nothing less than an acknowledgement that you screwed up with DA2 and that you'll be going back to Origins as a baseline for Dragon Age 3 will suffice.

Here you go. I think you'll need it.

But really, don't you think that is being a tad unreasonable?
Considering the game sold quite well, was overall praised by critics and, while certainly polarising, does have a considerable amount of support on the forums, why should he "acknowledge" any such thing?

He wrote a lucid and comprehensive posts about his thoughts following the reaction to DA2, and is apparently taking key complaints into consideration. I don't know what more you can ask for.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 27 mai 2011 - 08:04 .

[the_one_54321]

AlanC9 wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
I think what he should be apologizing for is insisting on making a game that a significant portion of the original fans just didn't want, and told him profusely that they did not want.

I don't see why he has to apologize for that. Just honestly telling you folks that they're not interested you anymore would do, wouldn't it.?

It might if he was willing to just bite the bullet and do it. Instead he issued an apology for his recent absence. Because of course they would still like to keep our sales if possible.

[AlanC9]

ItsTheTruth wrote...
But a LOT more people think DA2 sucks.

http://www.metacriti...ii/user-reviews

Don't be in denial: the game sucked, that is why people hate it.

It is as if ****** Sapiens (DAO) evolved into a species of one-legged blind monkeys (DA2).

A system that easily spoofed can't be used as an objective measurement of anything. Though I guess we're pretty safe in saying that DA2 inspired some unusually devoted haters.

[abaris]

AlanC9 wrote...

I don't see why he has to apologize for that. Just honestly telling you folks that they're not interested you anymore would do, wouldn't it.?

Yeah, it would do. Not that I would expect anything like that, since companies are in many ways like politicians.

But yes, it would do - absolutely. Then at least, people would know the score.

[Ottemis]

inkjay wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

General Malor wrote...
1.) You couldn't possibly do any better. (If you could you would be working with some company already)

2.) I enjoyed the game so you're all wrong. (What!? He just turned the whole "I think it's bad so it must be bad for everyone" argument against me!)

qft

So basically your opinion is, if you can't do a better game than Bioware you shouldn't criticize them? LOL indeed.

No. I just think you shouldn't insult developers in doing their jobs WELL (also under conditions), even if the product doesn't agree with your personal preferences. Personally I think there's disrespect in not recognizing that these people at bioware stuck years of their lives in a product, and some of the posters here turn around and insult them, their skill and profession on a personal level. I think that's dispicable.

As to point two, I think alot of people don't want to see further then their own nose is long, assuming that because they hate it, everyone must and it MUST be a fail product and the direction they took the game in is wrong. Which is a selfish and shortsighted way of expressing yourself. Your opinion is yours, and it's obviously not everyone elses.
Also you can't call your opinion one of the mayority, because you possibly CAN'T know it is for sure, can you?

Modifié par Ottemis, 27 mai 2011 - 08:07 .

[oldmansavage]

AlanC9 wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

I think what he should be apologizing for is insisting on making a game that a significant portion of the original fans just didn't want, and told him profusely that they did not want.  

I don't see why he has to apologize for that. Just honestly telling you folks that they're not interested you anymore would do, wouldn't it.?

I agree with you, I really just want him to come out and officially say he craves CoD tards and can't be bothered with the rest of ya.  I'll take honesty over an apology any day of the week.

[Nozybidaj]

abaris wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I don't see why he has to apologize for that. Just honestly telling you folks that they're not interested you anymore would do, wouldn't it.?

Yeah, it would do. Not that I would expect anything like that, since companies are in many ways like politicians.

But yes, it would do - absolutely. Then at least, people would know the score.

/shrug Actions always speak louder than words.  If you didn't get the memo after ME2 the writing on the wall should be pretty clear after DA2 shouldn't it?

Modifié par Nozybidaj, 27 mai 2011 - 08:03 .