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[Abispa]

In ME2, the conversation between female Shepard and Jacob annoyed me because MY character sounded like she had the hots for someone I just wanted to talk to.

In DA2, Anders gets upset when you turn him down, but that DID NOT bother me since it was consistent with the Anders/Justice hybrid's state of mind during the whole game. He DEMANDED that everyone saw things his way, he was OFFENDED when someone had even a mild disagreement with him, and he DESPERATELY needed a hug from someone, he was so isolated (and annoying).

So you lost 5 points that could be earned back EASILY, or you could kill him at the end of the game no matter how many friendship points you earned.

I don't think Bioware should stop doing romances, there are plenty of buying customers who want them, including homosexuals. But I do resent Bioware cutting back on party interactions when you don't romance someone. There's no reason Shepard or Hawke shouldn't have arguments, personal conversations, and comic interactions with people s/he isn't having sex with.

And there is no reason why someone who wants to ignore romances all together, like I did in Baldur's Gate II, should feel cheated of relevant game time because s/he doesn't like playing snuggle bunnies with fictional characters.

[Mudzr]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Mudzr wrote...

Finally, if a large amount of bisexuals being on your ship (because let's face it, have designated s/s squadmates is going to generate uproar anyway) seems unrealistic, well firstly, it isn't really that unrealistic, expecially in a time where pansexuality seems to be fully accepted.

Neither bisexuality nor pansexuality are "evolutions" of heterosexuality or bisexuality.  They are simply other sexual orientations.  Secondly, unless human biology itself is changing, proportions of the different sexual orientations will not change.

This is true,  but,   believe we will see more homosexuals, bisexuals,  etc openly when discrimnation dissapears.  

This is what I meant. A more understanding society will have people more open about their sexualites. Also, some people have conditioned themselves to "change" their sexualities based on societies expectations, while they are really just surpressing it and not being true to themselves. In fact some people may not really realise who they are, hence people "suddenly" becoming gay later in life. With a lack of descrimination and a overall acceptance, which seems to exist in the ME universe (and yes, it's certaintly possible that religeons may become more accepting to, as they do in fact evolve over the years too).

[Siansonea]

Mudzr wrote...

Arggggh I know I should probably ignore this thread but I don't get why s/s romances is such a big issue.
Here's why it isn't:

*It doesn't have to effect you in any way. And no, to reference the OP's example, I don't consider a pitiful gain of rivarlypoints a big issue whatsoever. I could go on about this, but i'll keep it short and swee: rivarlly points are not a bad thing, and there is a clear case of double standards happening here (to clarify, would you care if Anders was female?). Plus he does the same thing if Hawke is a women, and yet I don't see any female players at all having a problem with it, i'm sure there are some but they seem to be alot less vocal about it.
And if it's like ME2 where conversations will be cut off if you don't romance them, as annoying as it is, it will happen regaurdless of whether same sex content is included or not (as ME2 shows).

* About the whole "all guys on the ship hitting on you" fear, as seen in the below quote:

Chilcek wrote...

Are they gonna do this with ME3? When you are a male, and you find out that most of the male party members are attracted to you? That just a big turn off...... 

Ok, not going to go too far in to this, but again, double standards. Relationships don't magically happen, someone has to make the first move. This applies to both hetro and s/s relationships. It doesn't have to be  a "turnoff", I mean you're not gay/ bi, so why would it be? Just say no and move on. Or do what I do and take it as a compliment. Girls get hit on all the time by men they have no interested in being with and there really is no big deal about it.

*Finally, if a large amount of bisexuals being on your ship (because let's face it, have designated s/s squadmates is going to generate uproar anyway) seems unrealistic, well firstly, it isn't really that unrealistic, expecially in a time where pansexuality seems to be fully accepted. But secondly, having an absurd amount of women attracted to Shep is already unrealistic, it would be actually more plausable, that if Shep is some sort of people (and alien) magnet, then he is going to attract people of all genders and species. Also, if we are willing to suspend our belivability already in this science fiction setting, why not in this case?

Also, I have seen people saying things like "gays hardly ever get discriminated against", etc. in this forums. Please stop. I am not going to bring up real world politics here, but if you have beliefs like this, you really need to do some research before posting such comments. Otherwise don't complain if people call you niave and homophobic. Homophobia comes in many forms, and rather then complaining about being called homophobia, you might want to consider that while that word gets thrown around alot, the people here are mature and understanding enough that they could be right, and that you may want to look into what you are saying to avoid offending people in the future.
I'm not gay and this opposition against s/s relationships in ME (albiet the OP is one of the more mature posters in camparison to what I have seen) is understanding in some parts but mostly disheaterning and a little scary, and quite frankly ruining the feel of these forums. Can't we just let a few more people feel included in the ME universe?

You win the Internet, but I'm afraid your well-reasoned statements will fall on deaf ears. People don't oppose s/s inclusion for rational reasons, and you can't reason away irrational emotions. Why any heterosexuals should feel in any way affected by such inclusion is beyond me. Personally, I think it's cool, I'm a heterosexual woman and I like to role play each of my Shepards differently. I have a Liaramancing male, and another male who went for Ashley and Jack, it would be a nice variety for my other male to have a male LI.

And the "gay agenda" nonsense, man, whatevs. I'm not gay, but I do have a "fair agenda". I like fairness. Fairness is a good thing. Especially if by being fair, we're actually adding some fun stuff to this game we all love so much. I fully understand why LGBT folks care so much about inclusion, but why do people who bridle indignantly about being labeled "homophobes" care so much about exclusion? That's a lot of time and energy to invest in something that you can just ignore, the way that I ignore the Tali, Garrus and Thane romances.

[Ryzaki]

AshiraShepard wrote...

You never know, all that tampering with getting rid of disease might have changed something. *shrug* No idea.

But as others will promptly note "there are so many more homosexuals around than when I was young!" - it could just be that there's something in the water, if you want conspiracy theory and fear. Or it's just as likely that because there's more acceptance, more gay people are not so afraid as to stay hidden.

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Psh there's totally something in the water. 

It's part of teh gay agenda. :innocent:

[AngelicMachinery]

yorkj86 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Mudzr wrote...

Finally, if a large amount of bisexuals being on your ship (because let's face it, have designated s/s squadmates is going to generate uproar anyway) seems unrealistic, well firstly, it isn't really that unrealistic, expecially in a time where pansexuality seems to be fully accepted.

Neither bisexuality nor pansexuality are "evolutions" of heterosexuality or bisexuality.  They are simply other sexual orientations.  Secondly, unless human biology itself is changing, proportions of the different sexual orientations will not change.

This is true,  but,   believe we will see more homosexuals, bisexuals,  etc openly when discrimnation dissapears.  

That doesn't mean there will, as the result of biology, more homosexuals and bisexuals.  It just means that homosexuals and bisexuals won't be afraid of being homosexual or bisexual.  That's biology vs. society.

When did I say it had anything to do with biology? 

[Ashira Shepard]

Ryzaki wrote...
Psh there's totally something in the water. 

It's part of teh gay agenda. :innocent:

That must explain the purple rainclouds everywhere! LOLZ

[Ashira Shepard]

yorkj86 wrote...

..is this just a bit of silliness, or are you actually saying certain sexual orientations are the result of disease, or, that the removal of some disease will cause more people to be certain sexual orientations?

I also ended that with "No idea" because I don't really know. Since ME is set in 2185.

What I meant was that because we actively tampered with our own genes/biological-makeup or whatever, that might've changed how many of us look at things, including those around us. Like I said, I don't know.

Genetic engineering is tricky anyway - there's no specific "code" to give a mouse the wings of a dragonfly or something equally silly. But at the same time we don't know what exactly will happen if we just start messing with it.

[Ashira Shepard]

Double Post

And just to put something else forward, if a child was raised without the sacred moral guardians to push said child towards their opposite gender, how do you think they would approach the issue later in life? I'm thinking they would shrug and move on if it didn't appeal to them. Or they would be fine with it if it did appeal to them.

Alot about who we are rides on what we were taught growing up.

Beating a young boy for playing with dolls will kind of leave an impact.

[Manic Sheep]

On gaining points for in one thing or another or party members getting ****ty at you for not wanting to be in a relationship.

It is realistic that squadmebers might like you enough to ant to start a relationship without you making the first move and it is also realistic that when you reject them it’s probably going to upset them. However to be perfectly honest it is reeeallly not something I want to deal with in a game. I like Kaidan it is awkward if you’re playing as a female and not planning on romancing him. Especially the scene in the wards, cute if you want to romance him, uncomfortable if you’re not and jack refusing to talk to you if you turn her down sucks ass. o/s or s/s I don’t care. I don’t find it anymore awkward to be hit on by another girl than by a guy. I hate it either way.

I think romances should be initiated by the player and with a really obvious either thru the line itself being obvious or a symbol (I actually think a symbol might be better, then they can make the line itself more subtle I suppose) and that should solve most of the issues some have with s/s I would think. I know some people think this makes a romance to straight forward and mechanical but it doesn’t have to be that way. They could just make one line early on act as an enabler but have actually staying in and getting the romance require more than just picking one line.

Crimmsonwind wrote...

I just want to be able to talk to my squad as a friend. It's like the only options were "do me now please" or "I should go."

That too, I would have been fine with their being no romances in the ME series at all. I hope they work on the friendships more.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 28 mai 2011 - 03:16 .

[Cloaking_Thane]

Neutral dialogue, easy let down, have it with the "new squaddies" as to retain original squad personalities, profitttttt?

in short who cares, but lets try to avoid a DA2 implementation again.

[Ashira Shepard]

yorkj86 wrote...

Sounds highly unethical, in many, many ways.

No sexual orientation is a "disease."  Only religious/social conservatives make that claim.

Dude I never said that.

I meant it might have changed things as an unintended side effect. Like they had to remove a sequence that made some men go "huh huh boobs" that was linked to some kind of totally unrelated illness. I do not know.

I don't think any orientation is a disease, and that was never my intention to say or even imply such.

[Darkhour]

jwalker wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Too late, they'll call you a homophobe anyway.

I wasn't a homophobe before this forum and Bioware's decision to waste time that could have went into more general dialog to pander to 1% of the population, but now I dream of the day that gays are stoned in the street, I can legally shoot two guys holding hands and all male stewardesses are throw out of planes as a sport.

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I guess nobody here likes free speech. A man can't even have a dream. I bet you hate Martin Luther King too. See, the gays want to eliminate free speech. They'll make us into a communist Chinese state where heterosexuality is outlawed!!!

[Ryzaki]

...I'm not sure if I should laugh or facepalm.

[Darkhour]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Crimmsonwind wrote...

I just want to say, I would gladly have m/m romances in ME3. ManShep and Kaidan would be incredibly hot. Kaidan got pretty good-looking, if the ME3 screens are any indication.

Shouldn't it be "Put your anus here so I can bro-fist you through the internet"?

[stevej713]

My problem with the whole "previous squadmates are now bisexual" thing is that my male Shepard has always had a closer relationship with male squadmates, but in a non-sexual "brothers-in-arms" sort of way (I did choose Kaidan over Ashley with my male Shepard).  I feel like all of that will be disrupted by this. 

I guess my main problem is with Kaidan, for the reason above.  He was my favorite squadmate in Mass Effect (don't ask me why, he just was), even above Liara/Tali/Garrus.  I considered him to be a close friend, and Mass Effect 2 reaffirmed this.  I always have had very close non-sexual male relationships in real life, so it makes sense that this is reflected in the way I play games.

To be honest, no romances in BioWare games so far have been exceptional.  If I were Shepard, I wouldn't have any relationships at all (at least with crewmen on my ship).  I would expect them to recognize my position as captain of the Normandy and that I couldn't get into personal involvements with my crew.  But then again, I guess it's my fault for choosing to play that way.

[Blacklash93]

Darkhour, stop. You're humiliating yourself.

[Ashira Shepard]

Darkhour wrote...
Shouldn't it be "Put your anus here so I can bro-fist you through the internet"?

Oh you...

[Ryzaki]

8+ more months of this.

Oh brother.

[stevej713]

Ryzaki wrote...

8+ more months of this.

Oh brother.

You're on an internet forum.  Shouldn't you be used to this by now?  I know I am.