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[Dragoonlordz]

I'm still waiting for someone to make this for Leandra part of DA2.

[Lord_Valandil]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

My Hawke could of saved her if wasn't for forced plot incompetence regarding not allowing my character to do the most basic natural thing... Ask 'about her boyfriend' given the long amount of time my Hawke knew about the dating and was forbidden to interact aka immersion breaking lack of dialogue... /sigh

I just got through chasing a guy who kills women, didn't catch him > find out she dating someone and over the years not allowed to enquire as to who shes dating... Then the cliché zombie plot.

Sorry but glad some people like it but for me it was rather lame way to handle it.

Which is why Chris Avellone>David Gaider.

You'll make Gaider sad.

To his defense, though, I really loved the plot of Origins and his books.
He has many, many good ideas, but he really dropped the ball with DA2.

[Arrtis]

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

Well...I laughed a bit.

I find it amusing that you still have the Nug Exploding in your signature

Ya.....funny how it has a ton more views.

[Lord_Valandil]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

My Hawke could of saved her if wasn't for forced plot incompetence regarding not allowing my character to do the most basic natural thing... Ask 'about her boyfriend' given the long amount of time my Hawke knew about the dating and was forbidden to interact aka immersion breaking lack of dialogue... /sigh

I just got through chasing a guy who kills women, didn't catch him > find out she dating someone and over the years not allowed to enquire as to who shes dating... Then the cliché zombie plot.

Sorry but glad some people like it but for me it was rather lame way to handle it.

Which is why Chris Avellone>David Gaider.

You'll make Gaider sad.

To his defense, though, I really loved the plot of Origins and his books.
He has many, many good ideas, but he really dropped the ball with DA2.

Okay...why is Keanu Reeves there?

It's a lame meme.
But when I saw that picture of Gaider, you know...I couldn't resist.

[Dragoonlordz]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Okay...why is Keanu Reeves there?

Bad actor maybe, tbh DG is a good writer but that part in DA2 was really, really badly executed imho. I am not going to use my imagination to make excuses for it. It just wouldn't happen that way in RL as far as I'm concerned especially given events just covered about someone on the loose killing women and never caught and she starts dating someone for years you never bother meeting or even bothered asking details about.

[tmp7704]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Which is why Chris Avellone>David Gaider.

Not sure if it's really fair to say that based on comparison between games made in quite different eras. Alpha Protocol would be probably better target, considering it's Chris Avelone's recent game which shares many similarities with DA2 (the convo wheel, fixed protagonist, cinematic approach, dumb plot)

[LobselVith8]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Eh, the entire premise of Varric telling the story did not make that much sense to me as it needed Cassandra to be a grade A moron to think that Hawke is some mastermind who engineered all this. And you'd think that Varric's tale would remove this pre-conception, but the idiot now thinks that Hawke can save the world for some reason, even when his resume has him failing to prevent two much smaller conflicts!

Bah screw it.

I don't really understand that. There's no way to reconcile what the templars want, and what the mages want. You can't even get people on a thread to come to an agreement when it comes to mages and templars, how does the Seeker hope to get Hawke to bring these two groups together?

[tmp7704]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

At least it deliverd on everything it promised i would, unlike DA2.

Considering the average rating it got is 65-70 depending on the platform i'd say this is arguable. Or whatever it promised to deliver failed to capture the target audience.

[Brockololly]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Seeing how she's almost begging to find Hawke at the end for very little reason, I would not put that much faith in her "original plan".

But we'll see.

Well, I bet we won't see. More than likely Hawke and the Warden have gone the way of Revan and the Exile. Can't have the PC just go off and do their own thing, they have to mysteriously disappear. How much do you want to bet thats exactly what will happen to Shepard in ME3?

tmp7704 wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

At least it deliverd on everything it promised i would, unlike DA2.

Considering the average rating it got is 65-70 depending on the platform i'd say  this is arguable. Or whatever it promised to deliver failed to capture  the target audience.

AP may have some significant flaws, but it is far more ambitious in implementing genuine consequences and having a reactive narrative than DA2.

Modifié par Brockololly, 29 mai 2011 - 09:05 .

[Icinix]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I'm still waiting for someone to make this for Leandra part of DA2.

That was BRILLIANT! :happy:

[Dragoonlordz]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Which is why Chris Avellone>David Gaider.

Not sure if it's really fair to say that based on comparison between games made in quite different eras. Alpha Protocol would be probably better target, considering it's Chris Avelone's recent game which shares many similarities with DA2 (the convo wheel, fixed protagonist, cinematic approach, dumb plot)

At least it deliverd on everything it promised i would, unlike DA2.

I've stayed clear of AP for now due to how cumbersome the controls look and from what I have read. Might pick it up some day though.

[Icinix]

tmp7704 wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

At least it deliverd on everything it promised i would, unlike DA2.

Considering the average rating it got is 65-70 depending on the platform i'd say this is arguable. Or whatever it promised to deliver failed to capture the target audience.

Oh...it stil delivered everything it promised.

It just had a few flaws that make it hard to love. Namely, this was one game that could really have worked better WITHOUT the voiced protagnoist. No matter what dialogue you chose....you were an arse.

Modifié par Icinix, 29 mai 2011 - 09:07 .

[Arrtis]

Bioware endings are getting a bit old.....

[tmp7704]

Brockololly wrote...

AP may have some significant flaws, but it is far more ambitious in implementing genuine consequences and having a reactive narrative than DA2.

It had a branching plot, that much can be given. But it was absolutely average if not subpar when it came to actual content of that plot, imo. And i'm saying it even though i liked the game overall.

[Arrtis]

AP?

[Shirosaki17]

Yrkoon wrote...

Tshuman wrote...
 Many people didn't even complete DA:O. Many of them played a little and quit. DAII changed this

More than half of DA2 players didn't finish DA2.

Link:

According to an Xbox 360  achievement aggregator only an estimated 52% of players received the achievement for witnessing the end of the game; whilst as many as 10% of total players earned fewer than five achievements.

^ More than HALF  of the  players didn't even finish DA2.   And this is significant to point out, because "people getting turned off and quitting" happens to be the  CORE of Mike Laidlaw's arguments  of why   they had to "simplify" things for DA2.  Well?  after all  of Bioware's 'streamlining"  efforts... people STILL  put the game down and quit playing... in droves.  More than HALF in fact.

Epic friggin fail.

Wow thanks for that. I didn't know.

And there are more people that don't like the direction DA2 went in and/or disagree with Laidlaw's point of view on RPGs. I'd go so far to say that it's at least half if not the majority of the fan base. I mean who doesn't want more role playing in a RPG? Doesn't make any sense. I also strongly disagree that new people would be more inclined to play RPGs if they were made simpler. Some yes, but a significant population that would replace the population alienated by those changes, no. DA2 is a perfect example of this.

I also disagree with the idea that Rockstar gamers are going to want to jump into a game like DA2 and control a party in a fantasy setting. You may have a point if the game were a single character RPG. That might work because it would be easier to control a single character as opposed to a party. It would also be more like those Rockstar games. But they are also open sandbox and you can do anything you want at any time.

And this idea that people are too stupid to choose stats or learn what stats do and to pick is silly. I'm sure there are some out there, but they are the ones that have IQs of 80, and work at places like McDonald's. Why would you even want to appeal to them? Who spends $60 on a game and then quits at the character selection screen? It just doesn't make sense.

I also have to disagree with people who think the people on the forums are the minority or don't represent the fanbase. Look at polls in politics. A lot of those are based on only 1 thousand people and they use those polls to get a sense of what the population thinks. Now there were polls when DA2 was released and they had over 1k voters, and last I checked more than 50% were disappointed with DA2 or didn't like it. Now that is a significant piece of data.

Modifié par Shirosaki17, 29 mai 2011 - 09:16 .

[LobselVith8]

Persephone wrote...

How is it different to: Being hired to get rid of the undead, hired to kill your way through to the urn, hired by brother dearest/Harrowmont to eliminate Jarvia and her carta & kill your way through the DR to find Branka, being hired by Zathrian to slay Witherfang......?

In my opinion, it is different. The Warden isn't hired to find the Urn of Sacred Ashes, nor is he hired to assist either Prince Bhelen or Lord Harrowmont in their dispute over the throne, and Bann Teegan pleads with The Warden to aid the people of Redcliffe. Also, Zathrian notes that his people can't fulfill the treaty because many of them are suffering from a corruption of the blood, due to the werewolves. The Warden's goal is to get the groups from the treaties to provide aid against the darkspawn armies and the Archdemon.

Hawke’s story is one of repeated failure, while The Warden’s story is one of victory. The Warden is proactive while Hawke is reactive. The Hero of Ferelden united many distinct societies (and he can change these respective societies irrevocably due to his actions) against “the fulcrum of true evil.” The Warden is also a leader, given the role of being general to the armies by the ruler of Ferelden. The Hero of Ferelden can ask for a royal boon that can benefit his people, the Warden-Commander can became the new Arl of Amarantine (which one would imagine is significant if ehe Commander of the Grey is an elf, a mage, or both). The Commander can not only defeat the intelligent darkspawn created by the Architect, but he can govern the arling to such prosperity that Vigil’s Keep becomes a major trading hub and there are factions in Kirkwall that seek to prevent the arling from dominating the Waking Sea.

What does Hawke do in contrast? Does he use his financial gain to benefit the disenfranchised people of Darktown or the impoverished elves of the Alienage? Does he aid Bethany at the end of Act I despite knowing the dangers from "Tranquility"? The implication from the beginning of Act III is that Hawke hasn't done or said anything about an event that has caused unrest among the people, despite being seen as a hero and the Champion of Kirkwall. Even Aveline can call Hawke "a highwayman who stumbled onto being Champion."