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[Jugo616]

Zanallen wrote...

The dwarves use lyrium bombs, don't they? While the Qunari use some form of gunpowder. Not sure what the Tevinters had access to. We know that the Qunari have access to cannons, which means they can probably make flame throwers too.

Having canons equals flame throwers now? Damn, is my thumb not on the pulse of technology...

[Zanallen]

Jugo616 wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

The dwarves use lyrium bombs, don't they? While the Qunari use some form of gunpowder. Not sure what the Tevinters had access to. We know that the Qunari have access to cannons, which means they can probably make flame throwers too.

Having canons equals flame throwers now? Damn, is my thumb not on the pulse of technology...

Well, going by our own timeline, flamethrowers were invented before cannons. They are easier to make.

[Jugo616]

Zanallen wrote...

Jugo616 wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

The dwarves use lyrium bombs, don't they? While the Qunari use some form of gunpowder. Not sure what the Tevinters had access to. We know that the Qunari have access to cannons, which means they can probably make flame throwers too.

Having canons equals flame throwers now? Damn, is my thumb not on the pulse of technology...

Well, going by our own timeline, flamethrowers were invented before cannons. They are easier to make.

Greek fire is not flamethrowers.

[Zanallen]

Jugo616 wrote...

Greek fire is not flamethrowers.

Modern, personal flamethrower? No. See this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pen_Huo_Qi

Also this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire-lance

Modifié par Zanallen, 29 mai 2011 - 11:25 .

[Jugo616]

Zanallen wrote...

Jugo616 wrote...

Greek fire is not flamethrowers.

Modern, personal flamethrower? No. See this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pen_Huo_Qi

Also this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire-lance

Interesting.

[Sister Helen]

GavrielKay wrote...

I think it is quite possible the the writers meant for us to believe that Anders started with gunpowder and used magic to enhance it.  But, everything in DA2 explodes on impact in unrealistic ways - so it's equally possible that Anders used a remote timer to set off a huge keg of gunpowder and the graphics guys just went wild to give the player a pretty light show.

Good point.  If Ye Olde Generic Thug can explode into little pieces from receiving a single shot with an arrow, I suppose floating rubble is not that amazing.

[Rifneno]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Honestly, why does everything extraordinary have to be Magical? For one thing, we have fireworks IRL that comes pretty close to what Anders's bomb does (everything except the drawing objects towards them part). For another, all the Magic that we know about in Thedas does NOTHING even closely resembling it.

Why does anything extraordinary have to be magical? Because a mage did something we can't do with technology 2,000 years more advanced and infinitely better supplies? Did I mention he was a mage?

And no, no fireworks we have come even remotely close to that. For one thing, because they're fireworks. Fireworks don't suspend what-- tens, hundreds of tons of rubble in mid-air? And after that, there was no big "explosion" as we know bombs to create, more of a Fist of the Maker spell by a modder that set the spell power to FFFF. Seriously, watch the explosion and pay close attention. It's less of a bang and more of a poof that sends that rubble flying not in all directions, but 95% of it heading directly outward in a perfect circle and with such force it hasn't even lost altitude before it's left the city limits. My favorite part of the whole scene is that if you pay close attention to the houses down below, you'll see some buildings that were suddenly engulfed in flames after taking what I can only describe as a stiff breeze with just enough dust to make the average person sneeze.

[sonoko]

In Awakening there was that dwarf - Dworkin if I'm not mistaken - who made powerful explosives based on lirium dust. The aurora after Chantry explosion was the same color as lirium dust - red, which I think may suggest that Anders used lirium dust too since it's very likely he knew Dworkin's receipt of explosive.

Still the ingredients which Anders asked Hawke to help him collect suggest that he was familiar with Qunari gunpowder formula. And he detonated this bomb remotely in the moment best suited for his goals - during Meredith-Orsino conversation, which clearly shows that magic was in this bomb too. And don't forget his interest in Sandal's "Boom"!

Looks like Anders combined in his bomb all up-to-date accomplishments in the field of explosives - both chemical and magical - and augmented them with his magic.

[Rifneno]

sonoko wrote...

And don't forget his interest in Sandal's "Boom"!

Breaking news!  Anders has found the giant chinese salamander!



ALL IS LOST.

[sonoko]

Rifneno wrote...

sonoko wrote...

And don't forget his interest in Sandal's "Boom"!

Breaking news!  Anders has found the giant chinese salamander!



ALL IS LOST.

Rofl
Anders definitely picked one of those in Bone Pit! 

[bEVEsthda]

I find it weird that I have to point this out. I thought the fantasy crowd was generally more aware of philosophical fine points.

Magical laws and Physical laws are the same. Doing magic and physical engineering is exactly the same.
In both cases, you intentionally bring about events by understanding *natural* laws and manipulating something by setting something up and then tripping it.

The only difference is that Magical laws are secret. People think they 'understand' technology and physics, because the knowledge is known to be within reach of anyone, with the head, time and will. While magic is something that is not within reach, because knowledge only belongs to special individuals. Thus people assume there is nothing to be understood. It just is. Only a magician can do magic.

In reality, however, Magic has to be bound by laws, exactly like Physics. Else making magic work for something wouldn't be possible. The magician need to know the laws of magic, exactly like an engineer need to know the laws of physics. There is no difference. Magic is not something else.

The concept of "Magic" does free you from real world physical laws though, in fiction, for fictional purposes. You don't need to explain. You don't have to found anything on a set of laws. You just go directly to the effect. You can make anything happen, invent any ability, and then just explain it in a sweeping generalization: - Aah, It's Magic!

In Fantasy, magic is used to insert powerful "high-technological" events, object and abilities, in an otherwise medieval, blacksmith technology, wind & muscle power only, -world. And you don't need to explain them.
I'm always uncomfortable when some author starts to mix something up and suddenly brings in more advanced technology in a fantasy medieval world and assumes it's something different than magic, because it isnt.
I'll truly hate to see guns in DA. I have a bad feeling we won't escape them. But generally, I'd say it's a bad move.

P.S. And yes, of course Anders' bomb is magical. Because we do not understand it. It's hardly black powder, and there is nothing in the DA world that suggests Anders have the means or technology to make nitro-esthers, nitro-amines or nitro-aromatics. So of course it has to be "Magical", by fiction conventions.

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 29 mai 2011 - 03:33 .

[Riknas]

Wulfram wrote...

"I took a spirit into my soul and changed myself forever to achieve this"

Not "I studied chemistry to achieve this"

Am I the only one who actually thought this was really funny? 

Yes? 

Alright, sorry...

[Huwmin race]

I forsee a natural progression to gunpowder in dragon age as they have already given us the hint as the qunari already have gunpowder weapons is a sort of Pirate Age coming on?

[Ariella]

The chantry uses magic to light the eternal flame (it's in the codex on the origins of the Circle), I wouldn't be surprised if they had other magical enhancements on the statues and such to keep them clean. I do believe the bomb was non magical, as it's pointed out that finding Lyrium sand is difficult (which is what one would need) but Lyrium dust makes a great fuse. Combine a magical fuse, not magical bomb and potentially other magical effects being disrupted, pretty light show.

Now I'm just waiting for a Psi cop er Templar named Bester to show up

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I always thought what the bomb was made of was the key but magic made what would have been a large explosion even stronger. Afterall there's no explosive in the world that could have made that large of an explosion and is small enough to be carried by a single person.