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[Vladilen]

As the title says... Shepard is a Spectre, and Anoleis is clearly getting in the way of his duties as Spectre, so why do you have to jump through all these hoops just to get into the garage? 

[aimlessgun]

Even if you could technically legally get a pass from him, he would make you jump through tons of hoops and paperwork to do that, which would take too much time.

As for threatening him with physical violence, I think taking on the whole security force of Noveria is a bit extreme, plus the fallout wouldnt be worth it even if you won.

[Aimi]

Aaah, the whole security force of Noveria is as nothing compared with the might of the immortal Shepard. It's actually not a terrible idea.

Most of the reasons aLucidMind came up with don't matter. I mean, orchestrating the deaths of the Council and replacing them with humans is probably just a teensy bit more "bullying" than beating up Anoleis and/or massacring Noveria's security forces. Elanus' numbers alone are nothing - the mistake of an outsider. Anoleis warning Saren (assuming Anoleis were still alive) wouldn't change anything, because Peak 15's security would almost certainly respond the same way and Saren wouldn't be able to get to the Horsehead Nebula fast enough to do anything about it himself. Being watched and scrutinized is irrelevant when you can just gun down all of Noveria's security. And it's irrelevant if Parasini's cover is blown (dunno how that would happen though) because you've got no obligations to help her out.

So why can't you cut the Gordian knot?  Good question - maybe because it's a hub world, and you're not supposed to be able to depopulate those (probable outcome of stomping Anoleis' face in and massacring the Elanus goons at his disposal).  Then again, you can wipe out the Feros colony...I dunno.

Modifié par daqs, 29 mai 2011 - 05:02 .

[aimlessgun]

Even if you could actually kill every single security guard, isn't that basically the worst way to solve your problem? It seems far more difficult/costly than any other route.

[Rawke]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Why can't we just shoot the one guard guarding the garage and be on our way?

Galaxy to save, remember?

Knocking her out would be enough. But nooo, Shepard doesn't hit women. Even FemShep doesn't. He shoots them, but he doesn't hit them.

Using violence on Anoleis would be a typical renegade choice, and as most renegade choices it would close about as much doors as it opens. Try to imagine you're Shepard. Would you rather pick a fight with security or try to talk your way through as long as it's possible? Renegade Shepard is one of these highly unrealistic hollywood bad boy heroes most of the time because it absolutely makes NO SENSE to risk your life by taking on a ****load of guards while there's a galaxy to save. It'd probably take way longer than just talking your way through the whole situation and it's not like you don't have enough bloodshed ahead of you.  Of course you could argue that Shepard has to fight a few guards later anyway BUT Shepard (and every player who plays the game for the first time) doesn't know that. Why kick in the door if there might be a key hidden under the door mat? And if there isn't, you can still kick in the door. Doesn't hurt to check.

[Kogaion]

i allways go renegade way and before leaving port Hanshan you have the possibility to make 30+ renegade points with just "talking around" so this path is not for paragons only

[Vladilen]

There are many reasons why it wouldn't be a prudent choice, but they don't mean that it wouldn't technically be within Shepard's authority to stomp faces.

aLucidMind wrote...
2- Anoleis has many armed guards plus the police force would be after him.

Considering that the main path to getting the garage pass forces you to kill a bunch of ERC security guards/mercs AND then a group of Noveria police, after which nobody really seems to notice that you've just killed a bunch of cops, I don't think this is a strong reason. I don't think the entire police force would be stupid/gun-go enough to pick a fight with a Council Spectre.

Really, I was just disappointed that the only way to kill Anoleis is to be a snitch for him (ratting out Parasini), but his death is the least foreseeable outcome and thus this isn't an option for a Shepard who just wants Anoleis dead in the first place. 

[F00lishG]

Because Shepard was feeling diplomatic at the time.

[JockBuster]

Actually full Renegade for just the garage pass is 9 + 25 + 25 points = 59 without the cheat! Only Feros has more, 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 25 + 32 + 9 = 76 (total available Paragon OR Renegade, or some of each). And Thrum has NONE!

Modifié par JockBuster, 29 mai 2011 - 02:40 .

[aimlessgun]

Rawke wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Why can't we just shoot the one guard guarding the garage and be on our way?

Galaxy to save, remember?

Knocking her out would be enough. But nooo, Shepard doesn't hit women. Even FemShep doesn't. He shoots them, but he doesn't hit them.

Hmmph, yeah that would be the most efficient route. Roughing up Anno is of questionable efficiency, but if you can just rough up that one guard to get through, it's pretty much the best option. 

[amcnow]

aimlessgun wrote...

Even if you could technically legally get a pass from him, he would make you jump through tons of hoops and paperwork to do that, which would take too much time.

As for threatening him with physical violence, I think taking on the whole security force of Noveria is a bit extreme, plus the fallout wouldnt be worth it even if you won.

Actually, you can (Noveria: Smuggling).

[HBC Dresden]

Vladilen wrote...

As the title says... Shepard is a Spectre, and Anoleis is clearly getting in the way of his duties as Spectre, so why do you have to jump through all these hoops just to get into the garage? 

Noveria is not in Council Space. Even though they "recognize" the authority of Spectres, this is tenuous at best and Shep can't really use the Spectre card.

[nuclearpengu1nn]

there would be less xp points and credits to be earned
thats why

[Aimi]

aimlessgun wrote...

Even if you could actually kill every single security guard, isn't that basically the worst way to solve your problem? It seems far more difficult/costly than any other route.

But it's infinitely more fun, and would almost certainly net you more experience. 

[Vladilen]

GreyWarden36 wrote...

there would be less xp points and credits to be earned
thats why

I like this answer the best.

[Asari Commando]

GreyWarden36 wrote...

there would be less xp points and credits to be earned
thats why

yes but i always get so mad at this guy when i have to go ask him for clearance to the garage. he is all high and mighty "i hate humans" blah blah. he gives you the run-around and makes you go behind his back to get help from qeen (however you spell it). eventually you end up blowing thru his guards and stealing evidence on his corruption, which you can use to get him arrested.

so i was just always a little confused as to why he tries to be a hardass when he is doing all that illegal activity. any criminal with half a brain would let shepord do his investigation, and easily avoid all that confrontation. its so obvious he is being sneaky and running noveria crooked. thats just my personal opinion tho, i always felt anoleis needed a reality check, way to get yourself busted. all we wanted was to get to peak 15, now your in cuffs and we are climbing in the mako, easy way or hard way?

Modifié par Asari Commando, 31 mai 2011 - 03:39 .

[Quething]

Rawke wrote...

Knocking her out would be enough. But nooo, Shepard doesn't hit women. Even FemShep doesn't. He shoots them, but he doesn't hit them.

I'm sure Khalisah Bint Sinan al-Jilani would be relieved if that were true. Sadly for her, I'm pretty sure Sheps of all genders and moral persuasions will have punched her not just once, but a full three times before the series has closed.

[ladyvader]

Quething wrote...

Rawke wrote...

Knocking her out would be enough. But nooo, Shepard doesn't hit women. Even FemShep doesn't. He shoots them, but he doesn't hit them.

I'm sure Khalisah Bint Sinan al-Jilani would be relieved if that were true. Sadly for her, I'm pretty sure Sheps of all genders and moral persuasions will have punched her not just once, but a full three times before the series has closed.

My paragon Shepard never hit her, but my renegade did gladly punch her in the face.  I hope we get a third crack at her too.  

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

Can't you just rat on Opold's smuggling attempt to get the garage pass pretty quickly (albeit without all the morality and experience points)?

[jbd86es]

Try to defend Bioware all you want, they failed on this one. This is is a game of choice, and they didn't give you one. Who says Renegade is less effective. Let us make choices and suffer the consequences. If I want to make Anoleis eat his holographic keyboard, then I should be able to. It's not truly Renegade to just **** about jerks, and then do exactly as they say.

My question: how did the Make end up in the garage in the first place.

Also, why not just brush past the garage guard. She can't stop you; you don't even have to shoot back.

[F00lishG]

Because no matter how Renegade you are, you're not a bully.

[Phraggon]

Rawke wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Why can't we just shoot the one guard guarding the garage and be on our way?

Galaxy to save, remember?

Knocking her out would be enough. But nooo, Shepard doesn't hit women. Even FemShep doesn't. He shoots them, but he doesn't hit them.

Explain the reporter he punches then!

[kglaser]

She doesn't count. She's subhuman.