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[FieryDove]

Fenris and Merrill have a banter about Anders I have run across a couple of times that I don't understand.

Merrill: Poor Anders.
Fenris: You pity him? He's dangerous to himself and everyone around him.
Merrill: I think he's broken the thing he wanted to save.
Fenris: You pity him because he's you.
Merrill: Breaking the things you love most isn't restricted to mages, Fenris.
Fenris: Sadly true.

What did Anders break that he wanted to save and loved? Anyone know?

[highcastle]

I've never gotten that one. Probably because I don't run around with Merrill too much, though I might have to now. I'd like to hear it.

I looked at the wiki and it seems like it triggers in Act 3. This is the point where Anders is in a deep depression. He hasn't been fighting for the rights of mages because of what happened in the Justice quest during Act 2. He's been writing the manifesto, but that's about it. If you talk to him around the town and such (and you're in a friendship with him), he'll say, "Our cause is nearly lost" in the most dejected tone possible.

So going from this, I'd say he's broken his own spirit and he feels as though he's lost his cause. The mages are being oppressed worse than ever. Some of his actions in the mage underground might've actually encouraged the increased restrictions. Plus he has the guilt of his impending decision weighing on his shoulders. And remember, Anders' cause is the most important thing to him. More important than Hawke even when romanced. Anders' cause defines him in many ways. He's told himself everything he's done for the past 7 years has been in honor of that cause, and that includes some pretty questionable acts. To see it come to such ills, to see him possibly hurting his own cause...I can see how it would break him.

Anders is very conflicted and very tortured at this point. If you compare him to someone with bipolar disorder, he's in a very low place, the pit of a depressive cycle. I'd say some of this angst about breaking things also stems from Hawke. Regardless of whether Hawke returns Anders' affections, he seems to be in love with him pretty much no matter what. And now Anders is gearing up to do something that will destroy the city and could potentially destroy Hawke too. He's also pushing Hawke away, particularly in a romance. He's trying to distance himself from the person he cares for, and in doing so he may be breaking their relationship to a large degree.

There are quite a few answers to this question. Anders is a pretty complex character for all the hate he seems to get.

Modifié par highcastle, 29 mai 2011 - 07:07 .

[Chiramu]

I think that girl he almost killed. Is it after the Dissent quest?

[CalJones]

That's about right. The Chapter 3 banters are quite sad, actually - particularly the one where Varric tries to joke with him about how to kill Meredith and Anders responds seriously. It's as though all the joy has been sucked out of him.

[Chiramu]

CalJones wrote...

That's about right. The Chapter 3 banters are quite sad, actually - particularly the one where Varric tries to joke with him about how to kill Meredith and Anders responds seriously. It's as though all the joy has been sucked out of him.

That's after you complete the Justice quest though.

[highcastle]

CalJones wrote...

That's about right. The Chapter 3 banters are quite sad, actually - particularly the one where Varric tries to joke with him about how to kill Meredith and Anders responds seriously. It's as though all the joy has been sucked out of him.

I love that one. If you notice, Varric starts it exactly the same way as an earlier banter in Act 2, in which Anders tried to cheer Varric up by thinking of ways to punish Bartrand. In that first conversation, Anders was actually the one to come up with all the best suggestions, and he didn't even bear Bartrand any ill will. But faced with the same scenario directed at someone he hates, Anders can't bring himself to joke anymore. Either he knows what he's about to do and he doesn't feel it should be made light of, or he thinks he may lose regardless and doesn't feel in the mood for mirth.

The best Act 3 banter, IMO, though, is the one he has with Isabela. She asks him if he were to win freedom for the mages, but had to kill a bunch of innocent people to do so, wouldn't they deserve justice too. And he says yes. It's absolutely, utterly heartbreaking once you know what he's about to do. Maker's breath do I need a give-Anders-a-hug mod.

[FieryDove]

Yes, chapter 3 banters involving/surrounding Anders is quite depressing. I wonder who wrote the banters. I would really like to know what it meant.

I don't think it was the girl from the dissent quest, he didn't break her and may have cared as she is a mage but loved? (In my games the girl had a happy life away from the circle as I told her to leave kirkwall).

It may forever be a puzzle. sigh

I'll also vote for a hug Anders mod. lol

[Fieryeel]

Imo, he didn't break something physical, but rather it's an ideal...he believed that merging with Justice would allow him to protect other mages, but all that resulted in was him nearly going crazy and murdering an innocent mage.

[Beerfish]

I think she is talking about Justice. Anders wanted to help Justice and bring Justice to mages, instead due to his own inner rage he turned Justice into Vengeance, thus 'breaking' him.